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Supergirl |OT| Adventure Runs in the Family - Mondays 8/7c on CBS
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Far be it from me to call you a liar.
Yeah I kind of agree with him.
Flash has been okay, Supergirl is only 1 episode and Arrow has been good but not on the same level as Gotham.
Can we all at least agree that everything is either good or improving?
Gotham S1 was mediocre to terrible with some bright spots but S2 is absolutely blowing me away so far.
Arrow S3 was abysmal but S4 is gradually turning everything around.
Flash S2 is still just as great and takes on its comic book roots fearlessly and proudly.
Gotham S1 was mediocre to terrible with some bright spots but S2 is absolutely blowing me away so far.
Arrow S3 was abysmal but S4 is gradually turning everything around.
Flash S2 is still just as great and takes on its comic book roots fearlessly and proudly.
Agents of SHIELD is a neat watch. I don't have any moments this season where I've really been wowed, but I think it's good watchable TV with some good characters.
Flash is unapologetically fun, though its writing is still a bit too stilted and not all of its actors can make it work, but goddamn when it's good, it's really fucking good. It's cheesy, but it doesn't feel out of place.
Arrow is in an awkward place, and kinda always has been. S1 was kinda appropriately serious, but its CW soapiness and stilted writing kept it from greatness. S2 was funner and could get you more hyped up. S3 was so grim and charmless, and nobody was having fun. It had a lot of cool ideas but it was a slog to kinda get through all of them, not to mention characters making so many nonsensical decisions for drama's sake.
Now? S4 just feels kinda lifeless. It's not exactly Buffy/Angel level of wit in the way that show could shift tone and still feel appropriate. I mean seriously, Angel could have a hilarious two-part season finale take place in a hell dimension with a background character (played by Joss Whedon btw) doing the Dance of Joy. Only afew episodes later, Angel is strangling Wesley in his hospital bed in all out rage, and it never felt out of place. Arrow is sorta going for something lighter now, but Felicity is the only one with any real charm. It's too stilted and cheap to take seriously, but not wild enough to really be fun. It doesn't have any real bite to it, and doesn't feel like it knows what it is. And frankly, I just don't care. I mean it's better than S3, but... I feel kinda empty towards it. Not to mention the action/cinematography/choreography is so bland and without threat, none of it is particularly engaging.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Ugh... all these comparisons is getting as tiresome as AoS vs Arrow.
Also, I don't see how Gotham "is the best superhero show" when we got god damn King Shark last night.
Escape Goat
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Show was a bigger budget CW formula-driven superhero show. I felt like Ive seen all of this before so many times.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Eh, maybe. I'd still say its campy, definitely gives similar vibes as the old Batman movies.
Enjoy both.
FullMetaltech
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Enjoyed it but she ( Melissa Benoist) needs to work on her acting chops. I thought the premise was cool though.
StarCreator
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What part was not acted well? I could only find fault with some of the physical stuff; her character acting seems on point to me.
Honestly, there are some actors he did very well by. Grant Gustin was one of them. That was a great role. Darren Criss, Kurt Colfer and Lea Michele can't exactly complain either. He also casted a lot of people who just couldn't act better. Benoist and Becca Tobin, they got wasted.
Gotham, while not great, is fun for basically cherry picking tone from almost every variant of Batman's history.
Septimus Prime
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I really wish they didn't go with Superman existing in this universe. It really makes little sense how he could ignore something as serious as Kryptonian prisoners escaping from the Phantom Zone and just let Kara handle it.
Maybe they're gonna pull a HIMYM on us and be like "he been dead all along".
Discotheque
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same producers as flash. and yeah basically this felt like the flash with a girl lead.
i liked her a lot, about as much as you can like barry allen tbh. fun show, the evil aunt shit was corny but eh whatever i'll prolly tune in weekly.
not blown away but it was better than the ads alluded to for me.
edit: melissa definitely need to step up her drama game though, grant gustin was killing it from the start. and the show needs to drop that "the big blue guy" , "that guy with the cape" shit it's only the pilot and those references are already sounding overdone. hopefully jimmy olsen stops bringing him up.
Well they said they are going to have an episode addressing it
StarCreator
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Nothing struck me as particularly bad about that scene. It came on pretty fast, but then again, so did literally everything else this episode.
Thats probably the only part where she didnt nail it...all the rest,I thought her acting was great.
Septimus Prime
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I mean, that aside, I guess the biggest issue with Superman existing is that it splits audience attention. Like, no matter what Kara does, the viewer will wonder what Supes (and Bats, since they briefly referenced him, too) is up to at that time, and it also doesn't help how much the show hyped him up.
I'm also not crazy about the secret agent stuff, but whatever.
unholyrevenger72
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C'mon, a guy shoves C4 down his pants in a Black Market Weapons Supermarket and two minutes later this happens
it's definitely a black comedy
Wait when did they reference batman?
Discotheque
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agree with ragriz on this one. gotham's just so fun right now, flash is fun too but it slows down at times to deal with the CW-stuff. gotham is just unrestricted camp mixed with grit and it shouldn't work but it does.
arrow is uh...a tv show with people in it. that's about all i can say about that mess right now.
arrow is uh...a tv show with people in it. that's about all i can say about that mess right now.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
C'mon, a guy shoves C4 down his pants in a Black Market Weapons Supermarket and two minutes later this happens
it's definitely a black comedy
Things are not things just because you think they are.
I remember in S1 when the episodes were themed to the plot. Then halfway into S2, they were just random theme episodes. Them trying to do a school shooting episode (which nobody ever brought up again in the show) was in phenomenally bad taste.
Septimus Prime
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The one guy talked about someone stopping an armored car robbery, and he had horns coming out of his head. I assume that's a reference to Batman.
unholyrevenger72
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Well it's a good thing the definition of Black Comedy is on my side.
A black comedy (or dark comedy) is a comic work that employs farce and morbid humor, which, in its simplest form, is humor that makes light of subject matter usually considered taboo.
Was it? I thought they said a man with horns coming out of his head robbed an armored car, not stopped a robbery. I need to watch it again.
bryanee
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He/she is right. Season 2 has been outstanding so far.
Indeed, and I assumed they meant Lumberjack on that as he has little horns.
Grant Gustin and Jesse L. Martin have some of the most on point teary eyes in the business. It's absurd how heart breaking those two can go.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm so torn on how I feel about that. I do like that they're embracing the idea that this is a Supergirl story, you shouldn't be watching and waiting for Superman to show up. And based off the pilot, I'm pretty much okay with letting it go. I'm watching for Kara's story. But looking down the road, I wonder how long that internal suspension of disbelief can last. For example, how do you do a season finale-esque type of episode with the entire city in danger without someone thinking "Hey...why isn't Superman giving his cousin a hand?" I wouldn't be shocked if Superman goes off world or something.
Flash and Arrow kinda handwave it, and it's cheesy but appreciated. Outside of the crossover episodes Flash will show up, help for a hot minute and basically say "Hey, I got my own shit to deal with right now. Gotta go."
We have Hank Hemshaw in the show. You know how they are going to deal with Superman not being around? By killing Superman. Perfect 3 season setup. Kara's Aunt, Hemshaw, then Doomsday.
It's based Blake Neely, composer of Flash and Arrow.
Ah, as someone who hasn't watched either show, that's pretty cool that it seems like he's the go-to for this kind of thing.
His Arrow theme is great and the Flash theme will be iconic. He's doing the spinoff Legends of Tomorrow as well. He's aces. PS. Watch Flash.
Listen to him TOA. Join in the Arrowverse madness
BigWeather
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I'm not sold on her acting. There's something wavering about her voice, she channels Felicity way too much. Maybe it is just my dislike of the whole Superman mythos that colors my perception.
Even before the opening credits something bugged me: she scans to see if Alex is on the plane before going to help. If it had been another flight then would she have let 100+ people die to preserve her secret? Ok, maybe... Kinda sucky, but maybe... But Alex is on the plane, she does save it, and rather than swim away she reveals herself. So why check for Alex at all? I guess it is possible she was like "OK, I've got to do this" and when it worked out saw the opportunity to out herself, but... ugh.
It probably is just my dislike of this side of DC getting to me. Batman 4 life, yo!
Even before the opening credits something bugged me: she scans to see if Alex is on the plane before going to help. If it had been another flight then would she have let 100+ people die to preserve her secret? Ok, maybe... Kinda sucky, but maybe... But Alex is on the plane, she does save it, and rather than swim away she reveals herself. So why check for Alex at all? I guess it is possible she was like "OK, I've got to do this" and when it worked out saw the opportunity to out herself, but... ugh.
It probably is just my dislike of this side of DC getting to me. Batman 4 life, yo!
KDash31987
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CBS posted the pilot episode with commentary on their site: http://www.cbs.com/shows/supergirl/...e-supergirl-premiere-episode-with-commentary/
Here's the pilot without commentary for those who missed it: http://www.cbs.com/shows/supergirl/video/92C4EB54-8372-A474-3F03-8CA1385134F3/supergirl-pilot/
And here's a 30 second preview for next week's episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU71FV3Vk3k
And three clips from next weeks episode:
Clip 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGZMmvMA8g
Clip 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyNwh6vFbs
Clip 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbJcgLfEj0
There's some Superman name drops in there.
Here's the pilot without commentary for those who missed it: http://www.cbs.com/shows/supergirl/video/92C4EB54-8372-A474-3F03-8CA1385134F3/supergirl-pilot/
And here's a 30 second preview for next week's episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU71FV3Vk3k
And three clips from next weeks episode:
Clip 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGZMmvMA8g
Clip 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyNwh6vFbs
Clip 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbJcgLfEj0
There's some Superman name drops in there.
I don't think I can handle any more madness.
What are you doing with your life. Watch The Flash.
Who's doing the commentary?
KDash31987
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Apparently, it's Executive Producers Sarah Schechter and Ali Adler and director Glen Winter.
Omg I always loved that scene with the ridiculous dancing. Had no idea that was Joss lol
First 2 minutes they just barely got past her origin story which specifically talks about Superman and Kara's relationship to him. That's not wink and nod.
GodParticle
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Just watched the pilot and I thought it was great. Certainly not any worse than the other DC stuff
It's between Barry and Fitz level.
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