Reizo Ryuu
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VulcanRaven
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I hope for a situation that both do well.
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Doom85
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how will you know?
Oh, I'll check. Lord knows he's lost any semblance of trust at this point. He just shouldn't expect a post response.
Doom85
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Madflavor
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A rising tide lifts all ships.
Doom85
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thismeinteil
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So, $250M+ more just to break even and Fantastic Four looming next weekend. Going to be interesting.
Ulysses 31
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Naw, if it's true the marketing costs was 100M then it needs something closer to 700M to break even, and that's being generous in assuming theatres/cinemas take no more than half of the ticket sales worldwide.
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March Climber
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thismeinteil
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Definitely probably closer to $700M than $650M. Still, even giving them the lower $650M, I doubt they make it. Which also makes the comment from WB saying they'll be happy with $500M laughable. Just trying to save face because they've gone all in on the Gunnverse.
Which to me never made sense. The only other movie he made for them was The Suicide Squad, which flopped spectacularly. Yea, why not give him the keys to your franchise's future.
Fake
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Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning did $588 million and still loss like 300m, so they first need to be open about their expectations vs costs.
Spyxos
Gold Member
That sounds bizarre after the previous part flopped. Did they really expect 1 billion or more?
DeafTourette
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Definitely probably closer to $700M than $650M. Still, even giving them the lower $650M, I doubt they make it. Which also makes the comment from WB saying they'll be happy with $500M laughable. Just trying to save face because they've gone all in on the Gunnverse.
Which to me never made sense. The only other movie he made for them was The Suicide Squad, which flopped spectacularly. Yea, why not give him the keys to your franchise's future.
I Agree with John Campea that this is their rebuilding phase. They KNOW they have to rebuild audience trust so it makes sense that Superman wouldn't make a billion but probably 500m (I'm hoping for a bigger box office)... Which is ok but yeah, they need to build back audience trust. Superman is their first victory in that quest.
Fake
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Who knows... Everyone loves big numbers until reality check.
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They certainly sold Paramount or whoever in it. Crazy excess in those films but damn, parts of it was worth it.
Saber
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Fantastic Four is pretty much way less popular than Super-man here. I doubt people even know much about it and even the ones who know doesn't care that much. Super-man on the other hand is more popular, though not the most interesting super-hero in my country. Batman and Spider-man are the top notch super-heroes that people mostly know.
DC is incredibly popular here thanks to it's famous cartoons like Justice League and Batman which aired on a free channel for years long.
Pagusas
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It's Tom Cruise, and after he basically saved Hollywood with Top Gun 2 during Covid, he had a free pass to do whatever he wanted. Unfortunately he's now used that up.
Seyken
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Watched it yesterday with the wife and we both didn't enjoy it.
The plot isn't interesting and moves at breakneck speed, the movie doesn't make you care about anything that is happening or about the characters themselves, the comedy is very silly and jokes almost never land.
The soundtrack is abysmal and extremely forgettable.
Superman getting beaten for almost the whole movie also doesn't help.
The best parts were actually the very, VERY brief moments when the movie tried to get a little more intimate with the characters.
Superman (1978) > Man of Steel >> Superman (2025)
The plot isn't interesting and moves at breakneck speed, the movie doesn't make you care about anything that is happening or about the characters themselves, the comedy is very silly and jokes almost never land.
The soundtrack is abysmal and extremely forgettable.
Superman getting beaten for almost the whole movie also doesn't help.
The best parts were actually the very, VERY brief moments when the movie tried to get a little more intimate with the characters.
Superman (1978) > Man of Steel >> Superman (2025)
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Fantastic Four is likely to steal at least some attention and box office share from Superman. It's hard to predict the full impact, but if it gets decent reviews, you'd expect it to chip away at the Man of Steel's mindshare, at least to some degree.
VulcanRaven
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I wouldn't call the John Williams melody forgettable. I liked the slow music that played during Clark and Lois scenes too.
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Kacho
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James Gunn humor in a nutshell. It's expected now so it rarely lands.
Pagusas
Elden Member
agreed, the music was the best part of the film (and even then, it was still way underplayed).
I did appreciate that Gunn realized early on Superman already has the perfect theme. You don't try to do better, you use it, its as much a charecter as Superman himself. Just like I hope HBO realizes about Harry Potter. That theme is a character and isn't to be removed.
Reizo Ryuu
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I wonder how much came from IMAX and if they are gonna lose that to FFFS (is that in max?).
Madflavor
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They're definitely going to lose most of their IMAX screens to F4, but that's pretty standard. F4 is the newest upcoming blockbuster, and I don't think there's anything else after that for the rest of the summer.
Seyken
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It played for like 5 seconds...When it was about to hit and get into the epic part, it was over and cut off for a joke, so...yeah.
VulcanRaven
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DeafTourette
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Superman got beat up by his clone who didn't hold back his full strength. And we KNOW Supes holds back his full strength on the daily. Ultraman was the only one giving that beat down to Supes. No one else could.
Alex11
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I mean in GOTG it was perfect, but even there, by the 3rd one the jokes became so so, for me.
I don't understand why they needed this type of humor in a Superman movie, by the looks of it I guess this is what the majority wants.
DeafTourette
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I wouldn't call the humor in Superman GOTG or typical James Gunn humor. I was lighter, more satisfying and fit the world you see in screen.
IMO, of course.
Alex11
Gold Member
Well, yeah, I mean, if we're being literal, the humor is dialed back, but it's the same style more like, MCU style maybe more exact.
It's not for me here, I would expect a Superman movie to have humor, of course, but this isn't it. For me, it always was a more refined humor, a chuckle, laughing on the inside, something how it was in Smallville, but a much higher quality.
Anyways, I've said my piece about the movie, I actually think Supes is portrayed better than in Snyderverse, more to this boy scout-save everyone type. The actors are really good - I could watch Fillion all day in any movie - , glad people are enjoying it, really think they could have done much, much better, but yeah, not for me.
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Doom85
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Indeed, especially as Superman possesses barely any snark compared to Bloodsport and especially Star-Lord (the lead characters of Gunn's prior DC/Marvel films). I also like that he never curses, I wouldn't have considered it a huge issue if he had done some light cursing on occasion, but it does add to the character here IMHO.
"Krypto, what the hey, dude?!"
(after accidentally upsetting Mr. Terrific) "Darn it, I can be such a jerk sometimes."
The closest character in this film who would compare to some characters of Gunn's past work would be Guy Gardener, but that's just how Guy has always been. He's cocky, self-centered, and has practically no filter, but will do the right thing when things get really bad.
Lambogenie
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Probably why #supershit irks him
Though I wish he didn't even say it. Lois? Swear away. Clark? Neverrr
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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VulcanRaven
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Brandon Routh liked it:
variety.com
Brandon Routh on ‘Ick’ and Why David Corenswet Is a ‘Fantastic’ Superman: ‘I Cried No Less Than Three Times’
Brandon Routh says David Corenswet is a 'fantastic' superman.
variety.com
DeafTourette
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Brandon Routh liked it:
Brandon Routh on ‘Ick’ and Why David Corenswet Is a ‘Fantastic’ Superman: ‘I Cried No Less Than Three Times’
Brandon Routh says David Corenswet is a 'fantastic' superman.
I haven't heard of "Ick". I'll be sure to watch out for it. Hopefully it comes to our theater.
Yeah I thought it hit well. Also Corenswet is a great Superman. This was all overdue. We have tons of dark DC content. People can watch that if they insist.
DKehoe
Member
Superman, the nicest guy on Earth, chastising himself for being a jerk over a lightly teasing comment was great. He can't not be wholesome.
Valonquar
Member
Watched it this weekend and it was... alright I guess. Casting seemed fine, decent humor while nothing great. Story felt a bit all over the place in an attempt to keep things moving constantly for those with short attention spans.
So Supes couldn't be in 2 places at once near the end... except he doesn't actually do anything at spot #2 he was really supposed to do that was the reason he didn't go to spot #1. Instead he just fights 2 metas?
So Supes couldn't be in 2 places at once near the end... except he doesn't actually do anything at spot #2 he was really supposed to do that was the reason he didn't go to spot #1. Instead he just fights 2 metas?
"How is Lex controlling all this mayhem? How do we stop him!?!?!?!?"
"I dunno, maybe go check out that GIANT COMMAND CENTER hanging between those two MASSIVE SKYSCRAPERS?"
Really, at least have Lex in a volcano base or something, not towering over the very thing he is destroying
It felt very comic book to me. That is clearly what they were going for versus the hardboiled "superpowers are freakish and weird" setting of the prior films."How is Lex controlling all this mayhem? How do we stop him!?!?!?!?"
"I dunno, maybe go check out that GIANT COMMAND CENTER hanging between those two MASSIVE SKYSCRAPERS?"
Really, at least have Lex in a volcano base or something, not towering over the very thing he is destroying
I personally enjoyed the change of pace to a Metropolis where there is a monster of the week... like the comics.
F4 is going to be the same way I think. It's where the cape movies are headed.
kunonabi
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Yeah, that was one of my major problems with it. Terrific made a big deal that Supes had to go to Metropolis but there was nothing there that demanded his presence. Just having a big fight scene seemed like a waste. Gunn falls into the trap of wanting a particular result without doing the work to back it up alot in the movie.
March Climber
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kunonabi
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I mean he didn't really do anything with that aside from saving the one lady from the building. I was expecting a giant sequence of him trying to keep Metropolis together or slowing down the rift somehow but nope just a fight scene. The whole thing was getting to luthor's computer which terrific didn't really need Superman for.You forgot something.
March Climber
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I understand the lack of scenes showing him saving more pedestrians rather than just implying it in that moment being a problem (as an extended cut would most likely show it), but I have some follow up questions for you:
1) Who would then save pedestrians in the city?
2) How would Mr. Terrific handle Luthor's defenses, specifically Ultraman?
3) Where should Superman be instead?
kunonabi
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There is nothing in the movie that indicates Superman couldn't go to barovia while the justice gang goes to Metropolis. Terrific could go straight to Lex while hawk girl, metamorpho and Guy tangle with Ultraman and the engineer. Obviously, gunn wanted the moment of the justice gang having a change of heart which is fine but the movie just doesn't support it outside of terrific saying Superman needs to be in Metropolis just because. It's just lazy writing is all.
The civilians mostly evacuate safely without the need for any superhero assistance aside from that one woman in the car if I remember right.
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