Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack
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newtypepilot
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lol inb4 3.5mm adapter that costs $100.
A lot of people still use 3.5mm jacks because many devices still use it. Removing it just forces people to spend extra for an adapter. Wireless headphones are still in the minority, but then this will be a great time to promote their overpriced Beats headphones.
A lot of people still use 3.5mm jacks because many devices still use it. Removing it just forces people to spend extra for an adapter. Wireless headphones are still in the minority, but then this will be a great time to promote their overpriced Beats headphones.
diffusionx
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And we shouldn't use the new stuff just because "well it's new."
iOS and iPhones support Lightning audio today. Apple patched it into iOS 8 I think. You don't need to get rid of 3.5mm to use it. You can use BT on an iPhone even with the 3.5mm there. I do with my BT speaker, it's always doing weird stuff and disconnecting and not connecting when it should. It's why I don't like BT.
The point is that 3.5mm has a lot of advantages even over these new technologies. If the new tech was so great that wouldn't be the case.
I can imagine some reasons why this might be a win for Apple – reclaim some internal space, allow thinner devices, drive adoption of wireless headphones, maybe they have data that shows minijacks are a common point of failure? – but it's less clear how they'd sell this as some win for users. A slightly better, more reliable (?) connection doesn't seem like much to offer for what people would be giving up.
If they had some great new wireless headphone tech that was better than Bluetooth, I could maybe see it, but otherwise they're really fighting against a lot of entrenched usage patterns. Or maybe Bluetooth is good enough at this point? I've only heard it's not great (audio quality, latency, batteries), not tried it myself.
If they had some great new wireless headphone tech that was better than Bluetooth, I could maybe see it, but otherwise they're really fighting against a lot of entrenched usage patterns. Or maybe Bluetooth is good enough at this point? I've only heard it's not great (audio quality, latency, batteries), not tried it myself.
It's not necessarily about slimness. It takes internal volume and it's another area to re-enforce. Many waterproof devices have rubber caps to secure ports which is not exactly elegant or they need room internally for gaskets. If Apple does go with a lightning connector they will very likely tout a quality benefit to moving the DAC out of the phone.
It is old, but most importantly we have all we need to do better, so let's do better. Phones are old, telephony standards are insanely old and we should move off them. Since we haven't Verizon can have you by the balls so you can send 140 character SMSs to a 10 digit address because the device has to work with their ancient proprietary network and they get to make the rules.
It has the same profile as slim headphones. Otherwise you can use a bluetooth adapter with your earbuds.
I'm sure people argued selfishness when head units in cars stopped including cassette tapes and even CD functionality. It sure is selfish that highways don't allow horse-drawn carriages either! But 3.5mm has held me back, its a port on my phone that I've never used. Haven't even used it since the iPhone 4. Thanks for the dust collection.
Randolph Freelander
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So basically never buy an iPhone -- got it.
Isn't that the case 9 times out of 10?
jts
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Apple didnt buy Beats for their accessory line, but mainly for the music service, which was rebranded as Apple Music.
Beats devices being kept alive is merely a collateral.
Apple will bring their own branded, more affordable bluetooth headphones to the game, probably named AirPods.
iPhones always come packaged with headphones in the box so IDK if most people will spend a penny over it.
What I wonder is what will come packaged:
Bluetooth AirPods
The current EarPods + Lightning adapter
Lightning EarPods
(from best to worst)
So what will be the next thing to be sacrificed To the mighty God of Thinness? After the AUX port is gone, they'll surely want the iPhone 8 to be even thinner, right? So I guess that means the camera should go too, or be significantly diminished. Maybe they can cut down on the battery to make it thinner? Or perhaps use a worse quality screen/glass/casing? If your answer to that is "I'd rather keep that than get a slimmer phone", that's how most of us feel about getting rid of AUX for thinness.
nature boy
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Even more so this time.
This is something "controversial" so Apple PR would want some feedback. Plus manage expectations: everyone has accepted it by September.
Still in time to turn the ship if it backfires.
30yearsofhurt
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Android all the way when my contract is up.
I was only on iPhone due to iTunes. I'll have to find a replacement for Imiwa.
distantmantra
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Let's just get rid of the Lightning port and develop a proprietary charging base.
There was emperical evidence that cassette sales were dropping to low orders of magnitude after CDs took over. The same for CDs in recent years. The same for horse-drawn carriages as well. 3.5 mm jacks are still the dominant method of interfacing with audio devices. They are overwhelmingly the dominant method. But you think that should be done with not because it is giving you any kind of real issue. Not because it is preventing you to do what you want to do with your phone. You want it gone because you don't use it currently.
RobotChant
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Who uses the aux on their phones anyways. Buy an iPod if you want to listen to audio.
I would argue you would be a very low percentage that doesn't use the 3.5mm. The vast majority of people do.
30yearsofhurt
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Maybe they should get rid of the camera because that lens on the 6 protrudes more than any 3.5mm jack on my 7.3mm thick iphone.
moving from cassettes to CDs and from CDs to aux/usb jacks (lol) in car stereo systems had tangible and substantial benefits to the consumer
if apple puts out a phone without aux and you get one, how exactly will it be better for you in a material way?
I would agree if it wasn't for the rumors that Samsung is going back to removable battery/memory for the S7 due to backlash.
If nothing else I'm willing to bet some manufacturers like LG will continue to supply full-featured phones for people who don't want to sacrifice features for slimness.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It's always nice to hear other people having problems with these things. I've stopped even giving a shit about diagnosing iphones and lightning cables. I'm in the acceptance phase, and will be done with apple asap.
I've had these beoplay h8 for a year now. Charge them once a week. Have had my iPhone 6 for almost 2 years now, have never once put anything into the 3.5mm headphone jacks. iPhone connects to my car by bluetooth, if I care about it then I'll connect by lightning for carplay.
The future is to be completely wireless, power included. But you people want to hold innovation back by wanting to keep living in the 90s.
Please show me bluetooth headphones that are even comparable in sound quality to my HD700s, or even easier, my AKG Q701s.
There aren't any. Because Bluetooth and RF suck shit for audio quality.
Typical Apple, instead of trying to fix their real problem (e.i their shit capacity batteries) they instead go about removing a feature no-one is asking for. While, a majority of people want better batteries in their phole, they release an ugly, useless battery accessory costing $99. Same thing applied to the lighting port vs usb. The whole world used USB but Apple have to be special for no reason
Maybe they are just being true to them self and are waiting for an actual innovation from another company to research and develop a better battery technology which will then allow Apple to come in and use this technology and get all the credit.
This bluetooth idea for headphones is dumb. Just an extra thing I need to charge, which I will forget one day and be without music for the whole day. Thanks Apple
Michael F. Assbender
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TheExecutive
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I can't believe some people are defending this as some sort of good decision. It doesn't benefit the consumer in any measurable way.
The holier than thou attitude plus calling people who are against this luddites isn't being a tool?
It's justified in my eyes.
Michael F. Assbender
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I don't know, I just viewed the "Luddite" comment as a general thing, versus straight up shitting on a person.
But even if OP went on to personally attack people, why stoop to that level?
Edit: Don't want to derail the thread. Forget my comment. None of my business.
On the topic at hand, I'll wait and see if this is true and how Apple handles it before joining the knee jerk "lol cuz Apple" brigade.
There is some kind of weird philosophy I keep seeing that phones have to keep getting thinner by any means necessary, even if it means stripping out features
And it's like, do you really need a phone thinner than the 6S? Can anyone seriously argue the 6S is too big somehow?
It's getting ridiculous, IMO. Phones don't need to be paper-thin.
Yeah it's mind boggling really
I don't know a single person who uses a dedicated portable music device. It makes no sense to me.
This forum has people constantly getting overly defensive about pretty trivial things (myself included) and I don't think it'll change.
It's a pretty common response to being insulted. Not saying it's the right thing to do, but it's understandable.
I'm surprised you enjoy compressed bluetooth shit. I expected more from you.
Orbis Tabula
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The same reason you should be thankful when someone sells you a car without wheels. It's old technology, dude!
(If true) I'm not sure I like the move, but if it does lead to better options and quality in the wireless space, that is a benefit to the consumer. One of the best selling tech products in the world making this move could have that kind of effect. Or it could backfire horribly, I suppose.
Honestly, non Apple users (who are often the most vocal in these threads) should be happiest about this. They get to continue using their old standard, with the added benefit that if it pays off their wireless options improve dramatically over the next few years. Without them having to take any risks.
Win win for them, for the most part.
lastflowers
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I've had these beoplay h8 for a year now. Charge them once a week. Have had my iPhone 6 for almost 2 years now, have never once put anything into the 3.5mm headphone jacks. iPhone connects to my car by bluetooth, if I care about it then I'll connect by lightning for carplay.
The future is to be completely wireless, power included. But you people want to hold innovation back by wanting to keep living in the 90s.
I mean, I love these headphones...but they're 450$
minor effort
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I don't get it either. If your audio ecosystem - headphones, home stereo, car - are all completely wireless and you're satisfied with that, cool. I don't understand people cheerleading removing the extremely widely supported 3.5 port on the mere hopes it'll spur innovation down the road. What benefit would that bring you now? And would it be enough to outweigh alienating everyone who can't afford to replace all their devices on the whims of their smartphone manufacturer?
His logic is that it would force wireless/bluetooth sound options to get better, in the same way how Apple's abandonment of Flash was a big factor in lots of sites abandoning the technology in favor of HTML5, which is generally more reliable.
However, I think a headphone jack and a bloated piece of software that has a reputation as a memory hog and being full of security flaws are two very different things.
People who drive cars. People who exercise. People who think owning an iPod and a phone is stupid.
-Pyromaniac-
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Be honest, you think the iphone 7, which is a redesign year which usually does the best, will have worse sales?
It goes through phases.
Phase 1) OEMs laugh at Apple and use the fact that they still have a 3.5mm port as part of their marketing against Apple
Phase 2) Apple shatters sales records (again), OEMs stick to their guns for a bit, then they fold because they realize they're all still bombing (which all Android OEMs are other than huawei for the most part), at which point they copy apple.
RobotChant
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Enter The 36 Chambers
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What seriously??
Makes my choice not buying an iPhone so far all the more permanent.
Also OP is a troll if you can't tell.
Isn't wireless bad for soubd quality? Also having more battery powered devices on me at all times sounds like a pain in the ass.
I'll stick to my wired headphones like a dinosaur
Makes my choice not buying an iPhone so far all the more permanent.
Also OP is a troll if you can't tell.
Isn't wireless bad for soubd quality? Also having more battery powered devices on me at all times sounds like a pain in the ass.
I'll stick to my wired headphones like a dinosaur
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