Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack
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show me your skeleton
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i dread to think how ruined my lightning connected headphones will get with the amount of times they'll be inserted and removed.
CharmingCharlie
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Meh I have been using bluetooth headphones for years now, I have never used the aux port on my phone. You can pick up a pair of wireless bluetooth headphones for below 20 quid and they provide a decent listening experience and last for around 6 - 8 hours continual use. I currently use Photive PH-BTE70 Wireless Bluetooth Earphones and they provide just as good a listening performance as any wired 20 quid headphones.
If you have a particular speaker set up you like you can even get a bluetooth to 3.5mm jack adapter fairly cheaply these days.
Not that I would ever buy an Iphone they always come across as over priced. However I am not going to criticise Apple for ditching the Aux port. In my view I think it is long overdue and I would like to see Android phone makers doing the same thing.
If you have a particular speaker set up you like you can even get a bluetooth to 3.5mm jack adapter fairly cheaply these days.
Not that I would ever buy an Iphone they always come across as over priced. However I am not going to criticise Apple for ditching the Aux port. In my view I think it is long overdue and I would like to see Android phone makers doing the same thing.
The Lamonster
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Or just be like the rest of us and don't buy a phone that doesn't have an aux port.
Read the previous four pages of this thread, then. People would be losing a ton of functionality if this is true.
Oppo
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then how did Sony and Samsung manage it?
This is how I see it:
3.5mm jack
- universal compatibility
- reliability
- no DRM
- high quality
- susceptible to water/sand
- no dongle required
no jack
- super low compatibility
- unknown reliability
- DRM
- slightly higher quality, which will disappear on lossy files anyways
- water/sand resistance
- stupid dongle required
- slightly thinner (bendable) phone
if wireless, it's another thing I need to charge, is susceptible to interference (wear your BTs near a microwave, see what happens), quality argument goes out the window...
I believe they are doing it to make the phone thinner.
I am not behind it.
I am all for progress but if you are going to remove something like the headphone jack then you better replace it with something better.
Funky Papa
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By not building a $200 phone and selling it for a premium of $800
I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't tell.
UnemployedVillain
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The same way they've managed to make phone screens that don't get shatter if dropped from more than a few inches
balladofwindfishes
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Yea, the projector thing is something people seem to forget when saying "well, everyone else just catches up and it becomes standard!" except not really.
People just put up with nonsense because they like the other things Apple devices provide and it outweighs the inconvenience of hooking a computer to a projector.
Only 6-8 hours of battery life? Yea I think this is where I start to get off the Apple train.
Gotcha, sounds like $300 for you wasn't a bad deal given being able to use them with so many devices.
I'll keep those in mind in case BT is really the way Apple is pushing everyone.
Start selling the Classic with a better internal DAC and I would approve this plan.
It's not asymmetrical. I'm not sure how you could make that conclusion without being amazingly ignorant.
It's a better design than USB-C in terms of having pins on the connector itself and thus having a more robust port. It's also smaller. But I agree that if I was going to get a replacement for minijack headphones I'd go with USB3... while it still has issues they are far less than its predecessors, and it's certainly going to be a standard.
If Apple switches to USB Type C at the same time, I can be on board with this. The death of the aux port is inevitable, but I don't want to go through some awkward period where there are required lightning headphones. if the switch is made, I want the new audio standard to be cross-compatible, and Type C is our best bet at a standard port for power and wired peripherals.
That's a DC plug for charging, not a 3.5mm audio connector. Whatever dongle they do push out for this crap will need to have a DAC in it, since the lightning connector doesn't output analog audio
are they going to include a Bluetooth connected car too?
CharmingCharlie
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I am talking about bluetooth earbuds (I updated my post with a picture of what I currently use). These things are small so obviously batter life is going to be an issue. My headphones last 6 - 8 hours of continual use with a standby time of several days when not listening to music.
If you go with the over ear slightly bulkier headphones you can get some that last for 24 hours of continual useage. However for earbud headphones battery usage will be around 6 - 8 hours. The plus point is that it doesn't take them that long to charge, I think my earbuds are charged in under 30 mins.
Now the included headphones should not be the cheap they are.
Veritigo_X
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This sounds awful. Needing to charge headphones seems like such a step backwards just for the small convenience of not having a wire connected to your phone.
bobs...onGaf
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6-8 hours is actually not so bad if they charge in just 30 minutes.
That said there are scenarios where I want to quickly listen or watch something and waiting 30 mins when my earbuds are dead would be a pain
Lightning doesn't have enough pins to support analog audio out. Lightning cannot even output uncompressed digital video. The lightning HDMI-out cable has to have a chip in it to decode a low-bitrate video stream over a wired connection. Video quality is comparable to wireless AirPlay over a mediocre wifi connection.
If you are using an adaptor for 3.5mm, it will need its own amplified DAC inside of it and it will need to be Apple certified to work. It will be bulky and expensive.
Lightning is proprietary, poorly thought out garbage.
It's almost like the aux port is stopping progress, right? I mean, I wish I could use my bluetooth headphones, but unfortunately my backward phone still has a aux port which forbids me to.... oh wait, it doesn't.
I can't wait for long train/plane journeys where you are not only concerned if your phone's battery is going to last, but also concern if your headphone's battery will last as well. Not to mention pairing headphones every time you want to use it on another device. I can't wait for the future, it does look like a promising place.
I totally support change, but not for the sole sake of changing, if you are going to get rid of the aux port at least have the decency to provide A BETTER alternative. Then it is worth the hassle to change formats and/or replace headphones and whatnot. As it is? I don't see who is benefiting from this besides Apple not needing to add a inexpensive port to their phones.
I can't wait for long train/plane journeys where you are not only concerned if your phone's battery is going to last, but also concern if your headphone's battery will last as well. Not to mention pairing headphones every time you want to use it on another device. I can't wait for the future, it does look like a promising place.
I totally support change, but not for the sole sake of changing, if you are going to get rid of the aux port at least have the decency to provide A BETTER alternative. Then it is worth the hassle to change formats and/or replace headphones and whatnot. As it is? I don't see who is benefiting from this besides Apple not needing to add a inexpensive port to their phones.
Complex Shadow
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Here's a better plan. Bring back the nano with a click wheel.
I was talking about this: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/09/22/apple-prepares-for-thinner-smartphones-with-slim-headphone-plug-patent
Also I don't expect them to use it and wasn't being serious.
I really wanted to get the Crossfade Wireless, but I could only get them directly from V-Moda and shipping/customs/exchange would have pushed them over $400.
So instead I ended up getting M-100s and a set of Jaybird X2s for ~$250. It works out to be a better solution for me anyways as I can still use the M-100s for anything I want to around the house while using the Jaybird's when I'm on the go.
That being said... this sounds like a terrible move (if true).
Ragnorok64
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I don't particularly care what new feature Apple is removing but since companies like to copy them, I'm concerned Android phones will follow suit.
I'll just keep buying non-$300 off brand phones.
Also what's this talk of audio jacks becoming irrelevant? As long as people like good sound they will be relevant.
I'll just keep buying non-$300 off brand phones.
Also what's this talk of audio jacks becoming irrelevant? As long as people like good sound they will be relevant.
If not for Apple stupidly removing the optical port from the new Apple TV, I would have just bought the cheaper wired-only V-Modas and saved 60-70 bucks. I definitely didn't mention them as a recommendation. Only to show that being Bluetooth doesn't automatically mean a bad listening experience. It's actually quite great. When I'm out walking though, I still prefer my wired earbuds over my bluetooth earbuds because my BT earbuds quite often lose connection briefly even at mere feet away. They sound just as good as my cheap wired earbuds though.
Do you live somewhere that Amazon doesn't serve? They sell the V-modas. Your solution appears to be a good one though. I hear great things about the Jaybirds.
CharmingCharlie
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Actually it is rather liberating not tethering your MOBILE phone with wires. I have always been of the view that it is rather backwards to have wires connected to your mobile phone.
I am a huge fan of wireless charging and won't touch a phone that doesn't have that feature. I use my bluetooth headphones daily with my exercise routine and it is great having the phone on the table out of harms way whilst I fling myself around doing my work out.
When I want to listen to some music in the bath I leave my phone safe and dry in the bedroom whilst using my bluetooth headphones. After having used bluetooth headphones I could never go back to using the old wired headphones. So to me the Aux port is a relic that they can get rid of.
I get what you are saying but bear in mind a 30 min charge time is to fully charge them. A quick 5 min charge would give you more than an hour of usage. Personally I have two pairs of Bluetooth headphones (they were only 20 quid) if one pair run out of charge I just switch them over.
jts
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Many bluetooth speakers these days have good sound and good range. Even great, for the average consumer.
Check out the UE Boom or the Bose (lol Bose amirite?) Soundlink lines.
Obviously maybe not great for the """"audiophiles"""" that can catch the changes in the quantum slipstream purity, but still.
For those, a $30 adapter can't be much to ask comparing with what they spend already, and comparing with the $600+ average selling price of an iPhone. Assuming it doesn't come in the box.
Check out the UE Boom or the Bose (lol Bose amirite?) Soundlink lines.
Obviously maybe not great for the """"audiophiles"""" that can catch the changes in the quantum slipstream purity, but still.
For those, a $30 adapter can't be much to ask comparing with what they spend already, and comparing with the $600+ average selling price of an iPhone. Assuming it doesn't come in the box.
Beerman462
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It would be nice if this resulted in some kind of improved open standard. If they replaced lightning with Usb-c or an improved separate analog headphone connector. Wireless sucks for obvious reasons.
General consumers won't care though. The rest of the world charges with micro usb so you can charge your device just about anywhere any time. Apple users still buy Apple phones and charge with lightning. If this rumor is true then people with Apple phones will just buy Apple head phones and what ever accessory manufacturers shit out. Some will bitch about it and buy iPhones anyway, but most won't really care.
General consumers won't care though. The rest of the world charges with micro usb so you can charge your device just about anywhere any time. Apple users still buy Apple phones and charge with lightning. If this rumor is true then people with Apple phones will just buy Apple head phones and what ever accessory manufacturers shit out. Some will bitch about it and buy iPhones anyway, but most won't really care.
Oh God, you're actually not trolling are you?
Pretty much this. I don't see how this would be an improvement over standard 3.5mm or 1/4" aux other than more shitty ways to fuck people with DRM and the like.
I have tons of nice headphones and I doubt they'd sound any better with a different input. Maybe XLR but that's so stupidly fringe that it's not worth it at all.
Just another way for Apple to sell overpriced shitty adapters for $100.
I'm in Canada. Amazon.com won't ship V-Modas to Canada, and even if they did I'd still get hit with the terrible exchange and customs/shipping as well.
Amazon.ca doesn't sell the Crossfade Wireless yet, but there is a non-Amazon listing there currently for $900 (lol). The M-100s were on sale for $150 and the Jaybirds for $100, so this worked out pretty well.
Omegasquash
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If anyone thinks otherwise, they're delusional.
Pretty much. This is an awful choice.
Simon Belmont
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I don't think you know what Luddite means.
I bet the people saying "thank god" "old tech" don't even have a better solution in mind.
The M-100s plus a Boompro is the best gaming headset I've ever used. And costs less than the joke headsets Astro sells.
GamePnoy74
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The more I think about it the more I don't mind future iPhones not having the aux port.
I use the PS4 mono headphone connected to a cheap bluetooth adapter (Sony SBH20) when I listen to music at the gym, or while running or cycling. I can use that adapter for any of my headphones if I wanted to.
I connect my iPhone to my car's stock stereo via lightning port and USB.
And while I bought a decent pair of new wired cans while I was vacationing in Japan recently (Audio Technica ATH-WS1100) I've been looking into getting a DAC headphone amp to compliment it.
So yeah, for my purposes, no aux port is not that big of a deal to me. ¯\_(ツ
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I use the PS4 mono headphone connected to a cheap bluetooth adapter (Sony SBH20) when I listen to music at the gym, or while running or cycling. I can use that adapter for any of my headphones if I wanted to.
I connect my iPhone to my car's stock stereo via lightning port and USB.
And while I bought a decent pair of new wired cans while I was vacationing in Japan recently (Audio Technica ATH-WS1100) I've been looking into getting a DAC headphone amp to compliment it.
So yeah, for my purposes, no aux port is not that big of a deal to me. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Every review for that thing mentions the noticeable drop in audio quality when going from wired to wireless. Why should anyone drop 300$ on a piece of audio tech if it's going to compromise the one thing it's built for.
I mean, I could get over the garish 'FOR THE HORDE' look of these things, but i'd feel pretty fucking stupid sacrificing audio quality solely for the wireless experience. Wires never bothered me on my commute before, why would they now? This isn't even taking into account that i'd have to be charging these semi-daily. I don't see the positives, to be honest.
opticalmace
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Just fyi, headphonebar.com (based in vancouver) sells some V-Moda stuff, e.g. http://www.headphonebar.com/v-moda-crossfade-wireless/.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Not my choice of words, but the feeling matches.
I've never used a BT headset that could match the audio quality of even low-end headphones (say, my old Sony MDR-V300s). I appreciate the convenience, but would rather deal with wires for the sake of enjoying what I'm listening to.
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