He kept trying to make out she was really smart and conniving I don't think she is. She's a sheep. She's a loyal sheep but she's a sheep nonetheless.
Survivor 26: Caramoan |OT| Fans (Recruits) vs. Favorites (Crazy People)
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Enjoyable opening. Phillip will get crazy and everything will tumble around him unless he lasts long enough that somebody wants to take him to the final 3 so he gets no votes.
Malcomn doing what he does best. Quiet and unassuming, luring them all into a trap. Should be a good season apart from the terrible "cool" group on the fans team.
Malcomn doing what he does best. Quiet and unassuming, luring them all into a trap. Should be a good season apart from the terrible "cool" group on the fans team.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
So I just got around to watching the premiere tonight and while Matt only got about 3 or 4 minutes of air time he was edited pretty true to form. He isn't an overtly Macho bro man like his appearance might suggest. He is (was, it's been about 5 years since we've really spoke) a pretty mild mannered dude that goes out of his way to make people feel comfortable around him. A very likable guy.
I did find it funny that the USMC dude started getting on him and right at the end of that exchange and even though I couldn't see Matt's face when his head whipped up I knew exactly what look Marine dude was getting after he told him to shut up.
It should be an entertaining season. I really don't know where they came up with some of these 'favorites' though. For all of my time watching the show none of these are any of mine.
Does anyone really want to see Boston Rob play another season? I think if they went with the most popular players they'd probably just end up with the cast of the original Fans vs Favourites plus a couple from the newer series. Also a lot of the real favourites have already been used for Heroes vs Villains so they're scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit.
inanutshell
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I liked the premier, but good first episodes don't always lead to good seasons. Nice to see most of the favorites haven't really changed.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
No but Fans vs. Dumbasses, or TryHards would have been a better tag line.
Dang it's just the first episode.
Anyway, I just wanted to mention that Eddie is FINE.
NYR
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To be honest, I won't be surprised if people didn't even know it was back, not much promotion, even I didn't know until it aired.
WesternHeretic
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yessssss brendaGAF assemble!
The Queen.
I'm in love. Thank you. I literally stopped watching her season when she was voted out. I was like FUCK THIS I'm OUT! To this day still haven't finish that season.
Edit: caught up on the first episode. Not enough Brenda at all. FUCK THIS SHOW!
SecretMoblin
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There's a plethora of one-time contestants who would make great and popular returning players, including 14 winners.
It's just a question of who wants to come back. Some of them have declined invitations and expressed disinterest but anything can happen.
Some great (and love to hate) first time back non winner options:
Lisa, Abi, R.C. from Philippines
Colton, Troyzan, Tarzan from One World
Holly, Jane and NaOnka from Nicaragua
Shambo and John from Samoa
Taj, Stephen, Erinn and Sierra from Tocantins
Ken, Matty and Crystal from Gabon
Natalie from Micronesia
Peih-Gee and Jean-Robert from China
Alex and Stacy from Fiji
Becky and Adam from Cook Islands
Shane and Terry from Panama
Rafe and Judd from Guatemala
Ian and Katie from Palau
Twila and Scout from Vanuatu
Burton and Andrew from Pearl Islands
Matthew, Christy and Heidi from Amazon
anyone before that becomes so legacy that it's hard to exclude
I liked RC throughout Philippines, but her antics at Ponderosa as well as after the game left a bad taste in my mouth. I think she just got caught up in the Survivor 15 minutes of fame though, and I wouldn't mind seeing her back. She's a huge fan of the show and because of that is doing a little too much to increase her chances of being invited back.
I think we will see her again. She was prominently featured in Philippines despite her low placement, and the casual Survivor fan won't have seen any of the Ponderosa stuff anyway. Oh, and she just won the 'Miss Survivor' Award on Rob Has a Website too, so she definitely has the support to return.
There's actually quite a few players I'd want to see back from only the last few seasons:
Philippines: Denise, Abi, RC, Pete, Lisa
One World: Kim, Chelsea, Sabrina, Kat, Colton, Troyzan, Tarzan
South Pacific: JIM RICE, Albert, Sophie
Redemption Island: Stephanie Valenica, Matt Elrod, Kristina
I was really surprised One World didn't have a representative in Caramoan. They should have swapped Francesca for Sabrina. I would have loved for Jim Rice to play in this season, but they already do have three players from South Pacific.
I think we will see her again. She was prominently featured in Philippines despite her low placement, and the casual Survivor fan won't have seen any of the Ponderosa stuff anyway. Oh, and she just won the 'Miss Survivor' Award on Rob Has a Website too, so she definitely has the support to return.
There's actually quite a few players I'd want to see back from only the last few seasons:
Philippines: Denise, Abi, RC, Pete, Lisa
One World: Kim, Chelsea, Sabrina, Kat, Colton, Troyzan, Tarzan
South Pacific: JIM RICE, Albert, Sophie
Redemption Island: Stephanie Valenica, Matt Elrod, Kristina
I was really surprised One World didn't have a representative in Caramoan. They should have swapped Francesca for Sabrina. I would have loved for Jim Rice to play in this season, but they already do have three players from South Pacific.
SlowRevolution
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the show would immediately get canceled
KuwabaraTheMan
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I'm on board with a lot of these, but Becky? She was probably the most invisible finalist in the history of the show. I can think of few players less deserving of a return trip. Katie is another one that I don't really think anyone is waiting to see return. Naonka is never coming back because they don't bring back quitters.
I would add (as other one time players who didn't win) Sundra from Cook Islands, Dreamz from Fiji (he was a great villain), Albert from South Pacific, Marty from Nicaragua, Sabrina from One World as players who could be good a second time around. Certainly, all would be more deserving than Francesca or Brandon.
Hours Left
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I think the brought her back mainly for her history with Philip. They wanted some immediate drama.
But this is definitely not the first time they've made some odd/lame choices for returning players. (It actually is a very common occurrence IMO.) Though, sometimes a player that was a non entity is their first season can really crush it in their subsequent appearance. (See: Amber.)
Yeah apart from Francesca I'm actually happy with the favourites lineup. She just stole a spot from someone who wouldn't have tried to make a big move day 1 that backfired.
Sorry I meant Sundra. The older sneaky woman? I thought she was going to win actually.
And I forgot NaOnka quit. Yeah, fuck that.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It's not the first time they've made a puzzling choice, but it's by far the most puzzling. Prior to Russell Swan, they had pretty much only brought back people who either made the jury or were the last out prior to the jury (like Boston Rob). Bringing back Francesca was easily the strangest choice they've ever made.
I don't think anyone was exactly clamoring to see Danielle again, but she was a runner up. Francesca was a complete non-entity. They obviously wanted some fireworks between her and Philip, but that's a pretty dumb reason to bring someone back.
I think the the cast for this season is frustrating because there are so many odd choices. In the past, there's usually been a balance between great players, big characters, and people brought back to fill out the quota of attractive women (see Candice and Danielle in Heroes vs Villains, Parvati in the original Fans vs Favorites (although that worked out well for them), Amber in All-Stars, etc). This cast has very few people who were brought back as great players.
Brenda and Malcolm fall into the category of good players, but that's really it. Erik, Brandon, Philip and Cochran were all brought back as characters. Dawn was brought back because...I guess because she's nice and a fan? Andrea fills out the attractive female department and was a fan before going on the show. Francesca gave them nothing. When you compare this to the cast of the original Fans vs Favorites, or to All-Stars or Heroes vs Villains, it looks pretty laughable.
matthewwhatever
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Calling Brenda a good player is kind of pushing the definition of good, but I'll grant you that up until her alliance got all screwed up, she was showing potential.
RE: Francesca, if you read the recaps on Entertainment Weekly, the writer there raved about how great her personality was (I think he even predicted her to win before the show started, entirely based on his interactions with her before taping began), and if I recall correctly, Probst was shocked and disappointed she was the first person gone in her first season. I think the producers legitimately, against all evidence, were sure that she had potential to be a breakout star.
RE: Francesca, if you read the recaps on Entertainment Weekly, the writer there raved about how great her personality was (I think he even predicted her to win before the show started, entirely based on his interactions with her before taping began), and if I recall correctly, Probst was shocked and disappointed she was the first person gone in her first season. I think the producers legitimately, against all evidence, were sure that she had potential to be a breakout star.
Keep in mind that it also depends on who wants to do it again. As far as I know, they ask every single past contestant if they want to play again, and then choose from those who say yes. Perhaps some of the people they wanted on said no, or maybe Francesca was their first choice.
They definitely don't ask every player, only the ones they actually want to play again. In a season with returnees, they gather together a list of people they'd like to play, then start making the calls. If anyone declines, they replace them. They also ask people to be 'reserves', in case one of the contestants injures themselves/bails out pre-game.
Tyson was asked to come back for this season and declined. Troyzan was then set to play, but Malcolm replaced him due to being awesome in the Philippines.
SlowRevolution
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I don't think Tyson declined, I think they asked him and then went in a different direction. On Rob Has a Podcast he talked about how he was in talks with them and then they suddenly stopped contacting him, which he thought was unprofessional of them.
RepairmanJack
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I think most people consider her a good player because she seemed to be the only one really playing her season until the merge. Her, Marty, and Sash seemed to be the only ones really playing early on. She definitely showed potential but she really wasn't good. Interested in seeing what she does this season though.
matthewwhatever
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Tyson the snarky, evil (Mormon?) bike courier. Responsible for Boston Rob's downfall in Heroes vs Villains when Russell Hantz convinced/tricked him into changing his TC vote.
They decided to have no 3rd-timers. There's a recognition that they're starting to cannibalize their pool of players for future FVF/ASS editions due to the frequent returnees. (S25 was the only season since HvV where it worked, because there was a legitimate reason for them to get another shot and it helped differentiate the tribes.)
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, that's true. I was stretching things a bit, but she's at least a player who showed some potential and was competent. Even if she kind of started the trend of the 'minority alliance who thinks they're a majority'.
Oh, that's been around far longer than that.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Oh, it's been around, but it had kind of gone away for a long time. Prior to Nicaragua, I can't remember the last time we had such a deluded alliance (Fiji?), whereas we've had at least 3 or 4 alliances in the last three years who can't do basic math.
There's been a rise of alliances in the last few seasons who seem to have forgotten a lot of the lessons learned over the last decade.
(Because they've never watched the show.)
matthewwhatever
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If my memory is correct, I think Marquesas was the first one where the supposedly dominant alliance couldn't do math. (Checking Wikipedia, that's what the intro text says, so I guess it was.) So it's a proud Survivor tradition that dates back to nearly the beginning.
Regardless of how old it is, you'd think it would just be common sense to not be blatant about your alliance when you don't have the numbers. Has arrogance ever worked as a winning strategy, apart from Richard Hatch? I know that Tood Herzog owned his evilness, but that wasn't until the final TC, right?
Regardless of how old it is, you'd think it would just be common sense to not be blatant about your alliance when you don't have the numbers. Has arrogance ever worked as a winning strategy, apart from Richard Hatch? I know that Tood Herzog owned his evilness, but that wasn't until the final TC, right?
Todd wasn't arrogant in public. The good players know to hide it.
WesternHeretic
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Jeff Probst did a podcast for Grantland. Some behind the scene stuff like casting, tribal, jury process etc... and just the show in general.
http://www.grantland.com/podcasts
I really want to meet Parvati. After hearing a few stories of both Bill Simmons, and Jeff Probst talk about her she seems really interesting.
http://www.grantland.com/podcasts
I really want to meet Parvati. After hearing a few stories of both Bill Simmons, and Jeff Probst talk about her she seems really interesting.
Harry Potter
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That was great. Some really interesting questions. I was surprised to hear that Ponderosa is a creation from budget limitations and that it would be the one thing Jeff would change about the show.
Oh, and apparently I'm self aware.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Wow, Philip really fucked up that bit with Brandon.
You never tell someone that you can't trust them or that they're going to be left out of the loop. He's laughably bad at trying to do the Boston Rob thing.
You never tell someone that you can't trust them or that they're going to be left out of the loop. He's laughably bad at trying to do the Boston Rob thing.
Incendiary
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He was. Everybody just hated him because he was so nervous and trying too hard, and also made a dumb move. But he always gave great confessionals.
Also, it's NARCISSISTIC, NOT NARCISTIC! Agh!
SecretMoblin
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That bit with Sherri talking about Shamar was verrrrry interesting...
And Shamar is giving me strong Jean-Robert vibes.
And Shamar is giving me strong Jean-Robert vibes.
KuwabaraTheMan
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These recruits are putting on a 'how not to play Survivor' clinic.
And once again, the 'can't do math alliance' comes out on bottom.
And once again, the 'can't do math alliance' comes out on bottom.
SecretMoblin
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Reynold lost an ally and an idol, while millions discovered his bulge was not that big.
Terrible night for him.
Terrible night for him.
SlowRevolution
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Fans tribe is actually pretty good. Favorites still suck with the exception of Malcolm/Erik/Brenda.
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