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[tkscz]

Okay, so not the end of the world. But yikes.....I still don't love this. Nintendo makes it tough on devs though by providing hardware that's slow though. But was there any option that Nintendo could have went with that could have given them over 2 GBs of read access speeds while using a cart or memory stick of any kind?

The very same dev also said that if this specific game was made ground up for Switch 2 this speed wouldn't be a problem. Because it's a port that was made with SSDs in mind, that wasn't an option. Most publishers are going to choose game key cards for cost. So far this is the only one to say speed was an issue

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Okay, so not the end of the world. But yikes.....I still don't love this. Nintendo makes it tough on devs though by providing hardware that's slow though. But was there any option that Nintendo could have went with that could have given them over 2 GBs of read access speeds while using a cart or memory stick of any kind?

No, there is not. Any other questions?

 

[Crayon]

This key card thing is a bit of an overreaction given Nintendo is being a lot more transparent than others with their "key disks".

Plus yeah there's the capacity, speed, and manufacturing limits of the cards. It'll encourage some devs to take the cheap way out when they don't have to, and that sucks. But on the whole, the reaction has been surprising.

 

[Dorfdad]

Am I missing something but could Nintendo do just release a keycard that has a digital Cdkey on it that when inserted allows the game to be downloaded digitally and the card must be installed in the system to play?

When the card isn't inserted it's not bootable, and thus allows you to resell the game/ loan to a friend etc. sell it with a case and instruction manual etc this allows physical collectors to have their box etc

 

[Fafalada]

Thought it might we worth seeing how it works on the Z1E PC handhelds, on MicroSD. Pretty sure it doesn't run on the Deck

PC handhelds since 2023 have PCIE4 SSDs that are usually rated for 7GB/s.
Now of course you 'can' always install it on something slower on PC - but then why stop there - install it on old mechanical 2.5" laptop drive to really give it a torture test. ;P

Anyway SD Micro cards are pretty bad at random reads (and limited to 100MB/s in PC slot readers even in best case) so likely pretty poor fit.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

But on the whole, the reaction has been surprising.

I suspect there might be more Collector Whores than you would think.

 

[Gambit2483]

Due to this info, I feel less confident that current third party games will be game on cart. I really pray FF7 Remake trilogy will be game on cart but that will be most likely a game key card

If Nintendo was smart, they would do everything they could to work with SE getting this game on a Physical card. They should treat this as one of their major technical showcases and Premiere holiday 2025 titles.

 

[genesisblock]

That's not true.

They tested the slowest compatible SSD with PS5 and noted there was no perceptible difference. The load times were split second apart between them and there were minor stutters in the portal transitions but they were seen on all drives, even the internal or the super fast WD SSD.

Isn't Desth Stranding 2 the new standard of SSD loading speed? Any comparisons with that?

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

According to TheGamePost the cards are the slowest of all options

"A new speed test using Mario Kart World on the Switch 2 compared loading times across three storage options: built-in internal storage, SD Express memory cards from several brands, and the physical game card.The test measured how long it took to load the game from each storage type, providing a clear look at which method is the fastest. (thanks to 4416Y)

• Internal Storage (256GB UFS): 16.60 seconds
• Sandisk SD Express (256GB):19.18 seconds
• Samsung SD Express (256GB): 19.41 seconds
• Lexar SD Express (1TB): 19.78 seconds
• Game Card: 24.75 seconds"

Bah... For those 10 seconds, I much prefer the physical cartridge.

 

[paolo11]

If Nintendo was smart, they would do everything they could to work with SE getting this game on a Physical card. They should treat this as one of their major technical showcases and Premiere holiday 2025 titles.

Fact!!!! 10000%!!! They really got to do it plus all final fantasy games moving foreard

 

[Forth]

If this puts the GC2 at about 400mb/s then that means most games that stream the environment will have to be installed to the internal memory.
Are we now going to see GC2 with a statement saying must be installed to internal memory before playing?
This is all turning into a cluster fuck.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

If this puts the GC2 at about 400mb/s then that means most games that stream the environment will have to be installed to the internal memory.
Are we now going to see GC2 with a statement saying must be installed to internal memory before playing?
This is all turning into a cluster fuck.

Like I said, you should expect nearly every third party game to use the Key Card.

 

[mckmas8808]

No, there is not. Any other questions?

That sucks. But again, it's not the end of the world.

 

[Kerotan]

Wait Switch 2 doesn't have an SSD? That's a soon to be last gen feature. It's going to be 2 generations behind soon.