tylrdiablos
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Another load of nothing.
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Switch 2 Developer claims that "The hardware is very capable"
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Another load of nothing.
ReyBrujo
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Very capable of playing original Switch games.
The intro part is the most careful crafted section of the game because 100% of the gamers will experience it whereas far fewer will access
The intro part is the most careful crafted section of the game because 100% of the gamers will experience it whereas far fewer will access
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CS Lurker
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Well, you are in for a surprise then.
Woopah
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Who in this thread is engaging in a "decisional fantasy"? People have realistic expectations based on the known specs.
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LordOcidax
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This is what we have
>Ampere based GPU, ARM CPU, and 12Gb of ram
SoCl (CPU + GPU) model: GMLX30-R-A1
> Memory model: MT62F768M64D4EK-026 (6GX2 dual channel, LPDDR5X, 7500 MT/s)
> Flash memory model: THGJFGT1E45BAILHW0 (256GB, UFS 3.1, manufactured by Kaixia, 2100 MB/s).
> Audio chip model: Ruiwu ALC5658-CG.
> NFC reader model: NXP IPN7160B1HN
> Built-in microphone model: CMB-MIC-X7.
> Dual cooling fans, model BSM0405HPJH9 and BSM0505HPJQC (copper gaming heat sink).
> Video signal conversion (DisplayPort to HDMI) must be chip model; Ruixian RTD2175N must be chip (support HDMI 2.1).
> Network chip model: Ruiming RTL8153B-VB-CG and Gigabit Ethernet chip (the base has a network cable interface).
> Microcontroller chip model: STMicroelectronics JSTM32G0OB0OCET6.
> Video game console protective case model: HGU1100 (size: 206 x 115 x 14mm, made of plastic).
> Speakers: MUSE BOX-L and MUSE BOX-R (two-channel stereo).
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It will not be Series S power. C’mon man.
It will be powerful for a handheld. Nobody expects it to rival current gen consoles, and you’re the delusional one for thinking this.
PS4 got ports of most games until this year. This should be more powerful than the PS4, running at Lower resolutions and with DLSS baked in.
Very likely that most third party devs will port to the Switch 2. Virtually all the Japanese games, for starters.
LordOcidax
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Agree, the Series S have that size and that power draw for some reason.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Capable instead of powerful.
Smart word choice.
Smart word choice.
Nintendo has never focused on the market or performance in their consoles. They have always made consoles exactly as they thought they needed for their tasks. That is why I am afraid that those who are expecting some extraordinary breakthroughs in terms of graphics, etc., will be disappointed. It is more likely that they will focus on stability and battery life. It is obvious that it will be technically better than the first console, but are we unlikely to see something breakthrough in technical terms, this is not their style. And no, this will not affect the console's sales in any way, it is very likely that it will be completely sold out in Japan almost immediately.
LordOcidax
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Nobody is expecting that…
asdasdasdbb
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It would be a lot better... but we're talking about Nintendo.
There was a time where I thought they might use one of Samsung's better nodes... but the reports of Samsung cutting back on those makes me think that's unrealistic.
CS Lurker
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"Because Nintendo"...
I get it. I really understand the sentiment behind this "argument". But I'm using reasoning here, not emotions like that.
TSMC's 5nm is still a really good node, no doubt. But it's not new. It is, actually, already considered by TSMC as a mainstream node. You can find lots of smartphones with SoCs using TSMC's 4nm below $300.
Now, Switch 2 has the same thickness as Switch 1 while having a smaller battery compartment. We are talking about 20Wh to 25Wh at best. For a GPU as big as 12 SM @ 1536 CUDA, and 8xA78C? Samsung 8nm doesn't work, at all. If you know how much Ampere using SEC 8nm draws, you should know it can't work, and it's not a matter of "downclock it to hell and call it a day"; it doesn't even make sense, because you are crippling your SoC when you paid a lot of money on all that silicon. Even more if using SEC 8nm, which would have a die ~2 times bigger. Is Nintendo interested in throwing money away now? Really: SEC 8nm doesn't work.
Well, I'm hoping you are arguing in good faith. The last time I talked about this same subject here it was a waste of my time, because the guy was just a mindless hater.
Nintendo is under new management. People using the "because Nintendo" bias were saying that they wouldn't make an iteration of the Switch, and here we are. It's literally a Switch 2. No forced gimmicks. It has backwards compatibility (every "because Nintendo" was saying it wouldn't have BC so they could sell the same games again). Our bias has nothing to do with reality. And the reality is that the switch 2 project clearly won't work with the node you are expecting, in a case with only 14mm of thickness and a battery that is ranging from 20Wh (the most probable number) to 25Wh (the max). TSMC 5nm isn't cutting-edge at all (5nm started in 2020, and Nvidia's 4N (a 5nm optimization) was used in 2022 with Ada), and you can find $250 phones using it.
If you are still not convinced, it's ok. Just don't argue saying "because Nintendo" lol
fallingdove
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Powerful for a handheld. Like powerful for a lawnmower. Gotcha.
There are plenty of people comparing it to the Series S. Not my comparison by the way. I know what I’d be getting into with a Nintendo console.
Trilobit
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You can't imagine how pleasing that sounded to my ears.
Hopefully the rumors are true and we get Hall Effect sticks this time.
fallingdove
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Why even set those expectations? Are people seriously buying the Switch 2 to play PS4 games? Seems like a silly thing to do.
Nintendo has been in its own category since the Wii. If people are excited to play the latest CD Project Red, Souls or Rockstar Game, they aren’t playing it on a Nintendo console — and yet people always hold out like there is a chance. It happens every generation.
fallingdove
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I really hope so. That’s the only way I’d even consider a Switch 2 this time around.You can't imagine how pleasing that sounded to my ears.
Hopefully the rumors are true and we get Hall Effect sticks this time.
LordOcidax
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Going to change my question due to you moving the goal post… Do you think that the Switch 2 is not going to receive those games?
Zannegan
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I mean, it's not just mobile hardware, it's also going to have a much slimmer profile than comparable handheld gaming PC's, and it'll be around half the price. I wouldn't hold my breath for anything earth shattering.If it's close to a base ps4 in terms of graphics then that's pretty pathetic not going to lie especially cause this machine will have to last past the 2030s. I know the switch 2 is portable but good grief that's not even outdated tech, it's prehistoric tech at this stage. I doubt the switch 2 will even hit past 1080p 60fps for alot of games if that's the case.
On the flip side, people seem pretty happy with the Steam Deck, and that's functionally outperformed by an XB1, iirc. It definitely won't keep up with the big boys, but it should be juuuuuust close enough for heavily pared-down ports.
asdasdasdbb
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The wafer is way cheaper though. Dropping the clock speed down as far as needed is yes what I expect them to do.
They should still be able to hit PS4ish performance. But nothing PS4 Proish.
LordOcidax
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So, you want a Switch 2 that is going to be release next year with an 2024 or 2025 hardware?If it's close to a base ps4 in terms of graphics then that's pretty pathetic not going to lie especially cause this machine will have to last past the 2030s. I know the switch 2 is portable but good grief that's not even outdated tech, it's prehistoric tech at this stage. I doubt the switch 2 will even hit past 1080p 60fps for alot of games if that's the case.
Wut
Is this comprehension issue? When did anyone here say they want to play PS4 games on the Switch 2?
And yet there are tons of people playing the latest games on the Steamdeck and other PC handhelds.
Sure, there are better places to play these games, but portability is the main driver here.
For example, Microsoft will put Black Ops 6 on Switch 2 as legally agreed, most likely at hardware launch, with all features of the other consoles. And people will play it there.
kevboard
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yeah, just like the new iPhone... pathetic prehistoric tech. or the new Samsung galaxy, pathetic tech. they can't even match current consoles!
Steam Deck? pathetic! Rog Ally X? disgusting prehistoric tech!
you're so right man
if we follow your logic to its ultimate conclusion btw. the only non-pathetic piece of gaming hardware is a high end PC... because you see, the PS5 Pro is so pathetic that it can't even run the lowest quality raytracing setting of Alan Wake 2, so they had to create lower than low settings for it to reach 30fps... pretty pathetic isn't it?
so, basically, anything below an RTX4090 or at least a 4070ti should be seen as unacceptable I guess.
we can even push this into the future... I mean how pathetic is the PS6? the PS6, by all likelihood, will have a less powerful GPU than the RTX4090, a GPU that's 2 years old already and will soon be succeeded by an even more powerful one...
pretty pathetic. imagine a next gen console that is already less powerful than a current 2 year old gaming PC!?
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CS Lurker
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Being cheaper by itself means nothing (even though I don't know the price and its current yields). It can't delivery what Nintendo needs, and that's what matters.
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asdasdasdbb
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It was good enough for the Switch Pro... which is basically what this is 3 years later.
CS Lurker
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CS Lurker
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diffusionx
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I think it will be able to run a game like God of War 2018 as well or better than a PS4 and 60fps and 1080p. Docked.
So basically, a similar-ish graphics feature set, but much better CPU and able to hit that 60fps. Significantly better than Steam Deck.
I don't think DLSS is going to factor in as much as most people do, although it will hopefully be able to get you better than 1080p IQ on a 4K TV, it's not going to be magic.
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LordOcidax
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People tend to forget the docked factor in this conversation. I read somewhere that the power supply is rated at 40-50Watts and the dual fan solution.
CS Lurker
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It's 60W. The dual fan thing was a misunderstanding (I think from that video from the chinese girl who made a mockup). The tablet has one fan, and the other fan is inside the dock (probably to help with the console drawing higher power this time plus a faster charging)
eNT1TY
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I am almost certain it will not be anything close to a series S, i doubt even MS's handheld will go well beyond a series s. Switch 2 will likely be One S equivalent if that with some dlss making it approach ps4 levels of performance perhaps slightly beyond and ya'll will be happy with it and slurp it all up. A ps4 still trounces a switch which would make the switch 2 upgrade reasonably acceptable when viewed by its own merits and not compared to contemporary hardware available in the form factor during its launch window.
LordOcidax
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The size of the thermal solution inside the Switch is going to tell a lot and the 60W power unit is a really good sign, if they manage to get a good temperature when docked is a win.
LordOcidax
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I just hope that they keep away from ray tracing
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CrustyBritches
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This doesn't really tell us much, if anything at all. A reasonable expectation in handheld mode is probably a Steam Deck with DLSS.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I don't get this mindset, from my perspective, you complaint also applies to any console out there, not so much to mid range PCs because CPU wide they're physically unreachable to consoles no matter how "optimized" the games are.
People also buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, if they wanted great performance, they'd stay PC only.
Mithos
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That depends... Do Nintendo want me to pay €250 (max) or €400-500 ?
Woopah
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Because you can port a lot of today's PS5 games to PS4 level hardware. So as Switchc 2 will perform between a PS4 and Series S, it will be technically possible for third parties to bring a good chunk of their PS5s to the system.
Shaki12345
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If Nintendo doesn't have VRR in the Switch 2, these upcoming 30fps games will backfire massively. People are done with low framerate content. Especially on modern TV's. It's just not viable. They need VRR.
fallingdove
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Is this comprehension issue? Lol.
Not a great look when your insult is written in caveman.
Quite a few people in this thread are talking about the Switch 2 being able to play PS4-level games — dipshit. I question why it matters given that Nintendo fans, supposedly, prioritize innovation, gameplay, and portability.
RodriGames40
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How come people keep doubting this thing's GPU power when its specs have been leaked... No, the entire chip has for over two years? It's a 1536 CUDA/12SM Ampere GPU clocked about enough to hit minimums of 1.7/3.4 Teraflops, this is in no way inferior to a PS4... There is no reality in which it ends up as such, even on the handheld specs.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085 It has literally more cores than the actual GPU in the base PS4, and the tech in this is over 9 years newer for starters.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085 It has literally more cores than the actual GPU in the base PS4, and the tech in this is over 9 years newer for starters.
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LordOcidax
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In a thread that is specifically about the power of the console (Graphics) of course people are going to use others systems to compare the power level, you are the one that’s implying others topics no related in the conversationIs this comprehension issue? Lol.
Not a great look when your insult is written in caveman.
Quite a few people in this thread are talking about the Switch 2 being able to play PS4-level games — dipshit. I question why it matters given that Nintendo fans, supposedly, prioritize innovation, gameplay, and portability.
fallingdove
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Not at all.In a thread that is specifically about the power of the console (Graphics) of course people are going to use others systems to compare the power level, you are the one that’s implying others topics no related in the conversation
I never said it wasn’t related to the conversation — only that I didn’t understand why the conversation around “power” and “non-portable console comparisons” continued to happen given the priorities that are most often associated with Nintendo consoles.
I personally buy Nintendo consoles because I know that the 1st party games are guaranteed to be highly polished, fun, and possess a unique art style. That seems to be consistent with most Nintendo fans.
PS4-level is clearly being used to describe visual tier, simply because the PS4 is a well known benchmark.
Not exactly rocket science.
…all of which are moot if the hardware isn’t capable enough to ensure third party ports, along with more ambitious first party games.
So Nintendo decided on 8nm to save money, then built a chip so big they would have to disable parts of it to fit within their power budget. Sounds like a smart strategy.
If you gave the OP even a cursory read, you’d know it was focused on the Switch 2’s power with respect to running upcoming AAA third party games on the device.
Less around Nintendo first party games, and more about whether the hardware can credibly run a port of Witcher 4, for example.
LordOcidax
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I don't see anything wrong to talk about this ,and is pretty obvious that people are interested in the topic.