That's still 2 GB more than the Series S and it should be running at lower native resolutions.
Switch 2 Developer claims that "The hardware is very capable"
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Cakeboxer
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Series S has 10-GB-GDDR6.
But 8GB at 224 GB/s, while the remaining 2GB at 56 GB/s is intended for the OS. While the Switch 2 has 12 GB and the poster I was replying to was speculating that 10 GB would be available for games.
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Panajev2001a
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I would be interested to know what Nintendo and nVIDIA did if anything to lower the CPU overhead for fast I/O and to speed up decompression from the SSD (also if they will have carts for Switch 2 and if they will have dramatically different bandwidth between game cards and free SSD… the era of cheap SD cards for storage running games as well as internal storage is kind of over, maybe you can only install and run Switch 1 and BC games in SD cards).
If Switch 2 does not have any I/O acceleration HW unlike XSX|S and PS5 and especially if they allow game to run from game cards without an install step to the internal SSD we may have a developing limitation with I/O speeds holding games back.
Panajev2001a
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At that main RAM pool sizes 2 GB make a lot of difference. Unless devs try to target 4K output with DLSS and eat a good chunk of the extra memory for 4K output…
Cakeboxer
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My bad, just had 10GB in mind.
Neo Blaster
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Compared to what, Switch? That's not reassuring at all. Let's see if it can be more capable than a Series S.
DenchDeckard
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I've heard that its based on Ampere architecture but obviously a mobile chip.
If they can get DLSS in it will be great.
Ive been playing a lot of my switch over the last week and it reminds me how much of an incredible console it has been. Probs the best console of the last 20 years for me. Can't wait for switch 2.
If they can get DLSS in it will be great.
Ive been playing a lot of my switch over the last week and it reminds me how much of an incredible console it has been. Probs the best console of the last 20 years for me. Can't wait for switch 2.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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My bro, I'd say keep your expectations in check so you won't be disappointed.
Woopah
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People who to take them on the go.
It has more RAM than the Series S, so I think it will be other factors that limit its performance.
Little Mac
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Always temper your expectations with Nintendo.
SweetTooth
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That is the smart thing to do
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Nintendo fans. I want it cheap with amazing battery life and stunning performance. Wake up.
Sebastian1295
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I'll be blunt in saying that nintendo will probably be charging 400 dollars for tech from the year 2016 and acting like it's advanced. I already looked up some of the leaks and apparently the switch 2 is going to have an LCD screen which is outdated compared to OLED and they're only doing that so they can sell people an OLED switch 2 later like they did with the original switch. Charging 400 dollars or even 500 'i don't think it'll hit 500 price wise' is a ripoff and it makes the ps5, series s, series x, and ps5 pro look like absolute bargains considering the tech in those machines will blow the switch 2 out of the water. Nintendo love to sell below par to garbage tech for premium prices because they know people will eat it up anyway. Most anti-consumer company in the industry by far when it comes to pricing, online services, game prices, and overall tech and features for their system.
Team Andromeda
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Xbox One and PS4 ports here we come
UltimaKilo
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I'm sure Monolith will do incredible things with new hardware, I just hope it has an overkill amount of RAM.
SmokedMeat
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I'm sure the cheap coffeemaker in the Motel 6 is capable as well. What a meaningless comment.
Woopah
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Details on the chip used in Switch 2 were found in the Nvidia hack two years ago. Plus we have shipping reports from Vietnam showing the parts being used for mass manufacturing.
We don't know the clock sleeds, but we know many aspects of the Switch 2 specs.
SweetTooth
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If you want this, better wait for Playstation 6 or whatever handheld MS is doing
DLSS was confirmed in the API leak. And even the most demanding Switch games stayed at around 360p or above. Upscaling from 540p to 1080p would seem more reasonable in handheld mode, since that is basically DLSS Performance, and probably will look fine on an 8 inch screen. That should be achievable at the start of the generation.
NeoIkaruGAF
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The only way the system isn't significantly compromised is if it comes as a substantially higher price than the OG Switch.
I mean, the Ayn Odin 2 can emulate some Switch games and it starts at $299 with 8GBs of RAM. There is no realistic scenario where Nintendo can launch Switch 2 any lower than $399 while offering a significant step up.
If they haven't cheaped out on the tech, they definitely plan on keeping the OG Switch on the market in some form a while longer. Meanwhile the Switch 2 will have to deliver some very convincing games to take off. They need premium stuff, because the admission price to play their games will not be cheapo anymore.
The age of cheap hardware is over, even for Nintendo. Yes, of course Switch 2 will not be on par with current gen home consoles, but their "withered tech at low price" philosophy cannot hold water any longer. Nintendo is going to break that $400 entry barrier sooner rather than later, and that's pretty much inevitable when a console just launched at $700.
OR… Nintendo are going for their usual shenanigans to not sell hardware at a loss / not compete in the same price bracket as discless PS5, and if they do, good luck to them. Whatever happens. the reveal and the speculation will make for interesting times.
I mean, the Ayn Odin 2 can emulate some Switch games and it starts at $299 with 8GBs of RAM. There is no realistic scenario where Nintendo can launch Switch 2 any lower than $399 while offering a significant step up.
If they haven't cheaped out on the tech, they definitely plan on keeping the OG Switch on the market in some form a while longer. Meanwhile the Switch 2 will have to deliver some very convincing games to take off. They need premium stuff, because the admission price to play their games will not be cheapo anymore.
The age of cheap hardware is over, even for Nintendo. Yes, of course Switch 2 will not be on par with current gen home consoles, but their "withered tech at low price" philosophy cannot hold water any longer. Nintendo is going to break that $400 entry barrier sooner rather than later, and that's pretty much inevitable when a console just launched at $700.
OR… Nintendo are going for their usual shenanigans to not sell hardware at a loss / not compete in the same price bracket as discless PS5, and if they do, good luck to them. Whatever happens. the reveal and the speculation will make for interesting times.
We make compromises when we touch the grass outside.
DenchDeckard
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My only sadge thing about switch 2 is that there probs wont be an OLED version at launch. Its gonna suck going back from my OLED to a standard LCD. I just hope its a good IPS screen but it will probably suck.
Raphael
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Base PS4 ran Ragnarok, uncharted 4 and similar great graphics games. If i can get such image on a handheld then i might actually buy my first Nintendo console.
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N1tr0sOx1d3
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UE5 will bring performance crashing back down. Nintendo will, as they always do, optimise and I get the best out of the hardware.
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killatopak
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It absolutely will. At least first party wise.
Third party will suck though. I mean look at third party games from PS5/XBX. You have games using resolutions lower than even PS4 and XBO.
I don't know what happened to developers these days.
PeteBull
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From the leaks we got, it should be roughly as powerful as base ps4 in handheld mode, and ps4pr0 in docked mode(so slighly below series s) +ofc new features that come with current gen cpu/gpu.
The only and deciding factor of switch2 being relatively weak-ish is its powerdraw, its hardware has to be made with very low handheld alike powerdraw and form factor in mind, and ofc docked it will be upped, substantially yet even 2x higher powerdraw at that tiny handheld console formfactor cant move mountains unfortunately...
jm89
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It'll probably be fine the first few years with ports, latter half of it's life I can see third party support dwindling.
The next gen of consoles will be around 3 years out after switch 2 with much more powerful handhelds on the horizon. Switch 2 wil lag behind quite a bit in power.
The next gen of consoles will be around 3 years out after switch 2 with much more powerful handhelds on the horizon. Switch 2 wil lag behind quite a bit in power.
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Guardian Monkey
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The Switch 2 will be faster than the Switch. Everyone gets Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. Nintendo makes good games for their system's specifications. Everything will be fine.
DaleinCalgary
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Don't buy a switch if your priority is performance.
It's simple
It's simple
squidilix
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We don't know the screen size of the Switch 2 and I very doubt it was 1080p (even the SteamDeck ins't on 1080p) Maybe 900p at least.
1080p for performance and ultra performance was 540p and 360p. But for 900p screen size, the target resolution gonna be lower.
And people thinking is DLSS 3.5 (with FG) gonna be on the Switch are fool, this is only for RTX 4xxx card. Also, not all games on Switch 2 not gonna support the DLSS. (Japaneese dev with older engine).
DLSS needed more VRAM for reconstruction too and more bandwitch if you want upscaled to 4K (so people thinking Switch 2 gonne upscale DLSS to 540p or 720p to 2160p are completly dreamer, taht's gonna be 1440p max).
Gonna thinking the console only cost 400$? Gosh it's gonna be more, we talking Nintendo and especially Nvidia Tech. If the console really cost less than 400$ then prepared to be very disapointed in power design.
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The information in the leaked CAD files, which has been verified by multiple sources, indicates an 8 inch screen. The resolution isn't known but even an internal rendering resolution of 480p for a 720p screen (DLSS Quality) should look fine and be achievable with moderately powerful hardware.
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Horseganador
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It's Nintendo, the hardware will be modest and profitable from the first minute, even so the Nintendo sagas will have an incredible leap after more than 12 years with a similar technical level on WiiU-Switch.
saintjules
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I agree. I'd be surprised if this gets close graphically to a PS4/Pro.
RodriGames40
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I find the lack of the handheld/docked distinction in this thread interesting... There could be easily 2x more performance in one mode over the another, just like with the original model. Handheld has no way to push over 2 TFLOPS without failing below 3 hours battery (on 4N yes) which means it is a souped up PS4, but docked is another story.
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CS Lurker
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It's gonna be between 1.6-2TF handheld and 3.4-4.2TF docked. With dlss being miles better than ps4 pro's checkerboard solution, yeah, Switch 2 is like a ps4 pro but with Ampere architecture (which is basically Lovelace without the frame gen), much better cpu performance, a lot faster I/O, and double the RAM. Not bad at all for a handheld. Edit: there's also dedicated hardware for RT, but I want to see what devs will be able to get from it.
It has been known for almost 2 years, I believe, that the T239 has a File Decompression Engine (FDE).
We also know it will use cartridges, and the expansion option is probably microSD Express 7.1, which gives base read speeds of 800MB/s (sequential, of course).
It has been known for almost 2 years, I believe, that the T239 has a File Decompression Engine (FDE).
We also know it will use cartridges, and the expansion option is probably microSD Express 7.1, which gives base read speeds of 800MB/s (sequential, of course).
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Panajev2001a
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Again, could mean a lot could mean little. We still know pretty much nothing about it.
Without an install option this means that most games will be restricted to the cartridges max speed which sucks a bit and may actually hamper third party ports later on in life more than people expect. Maybe they have uber fast cartridges though…
ChoosableOne
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I mean, you asked if Nvidia and Nintendo did something to help with I/O, lowering CPU overhead, and the FDE is exactly for that. What ratio it's going to have we can't know for sure. Personally, considering how Nintendo is always committed in terms of compression for their games, and considering how important it's when using cartridges, I would say I don't expect anything less than a 2:1 ratio. And it's Nvidia doing it, so yeah, I know they can pull this off in a power-constrained hardware (and it's not their first decompression engine either)
Considering the new technology that Nintendo's partner company will use for the cartridges, 300MB/s for read speeds are not out of the realm of possibility. Even then, I'm expecting developers to be able to require installs if needed. Otherwise, Nintendo would have no reason to go with an expandable storage that has a base read speed of 800MB/s. There are cheaper/slower options.
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