Switching to Bazzite from Windows 11

I don't think it's particularly elegant on any OS though 😅

But retro for me ends at the PS2/GC gen which all works great. (OG Xbox emulator also not good on any OS)

I dabble with RPCS3 a bit which works pretty well but is very game-dependent on the performance.

RPCS3 performs better on Linux than on Windows.



Here's hoping that Nvidia one day figures it out on Linux. It's gotten better, but not by much. Its a large reason I went AMD on my latest build. The Radeon 7900XTX performs fantastically. Only problem being my stunted Raytracing performance, which is more an AMD issue. Its not entirely awful, as lately I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 with its DLC at 5120x1440 with Maxed visual settings, but Medium RT. Having XeSS do a large amount of the carrying (I get slightly better performance and visuals compared to FSR? Maybe I'm imagining things?).

Is Nvidia even trying? I read they hired that guy who was working on Linux drivers. I'm not sure if that was a good thing or bad though. I'm pretty much staying in the Nvidia camp, unfortunately. I just think it is a superior product for gaming. I'm no fanboy. I genuinely wish that wasn't the case. Maybe one day.

Many people say Nvidia doesn't care, but that's not what I see. All Nvidia features work on Linux. GPUs have day-one support, while AMD has to wait for Mesa and the kernel to update. Nvidia has a control panel, not as comprehensive as Windows, but it's there. AMD doesn't.

Nvidia has been investigating DX12 performance issues on Linux for some time now. Ultimately, the problem was with Vulkan. Generally speaking, Vulkan was more aligned with the way AMD GPUs process graphics than with other GPUs. With this in mind, Collabora is rewriting the Vulkan extensions, which will address not only Nvidia's performance but also Intel's.


 
I often wonder if Valve released some Steam OS productivity software if it would help adoption to desktops/steambox. Similar to the Google suite of productivity apps.
 
RPCS3 performs better on Linux than on Windows.







Many people say Nvidia doesn't care, but that's not what I see. All Nvidia features work on Linux. GPUs have day-one support, while AMD has to wait for Mesa and the kernel to update. Nvidia has a control panel, not as comprehensive as Windows, but it's there. AMD doesn't.

Nvidia has been investigating DX12 performance issues on Linux for some time now. Ultimately, the problem was with Vulkan. Generally speaking, Vulkan was more aligned with the way AMD GPUs process graphics than with other GPUs. With this in mind, Collabora is rewriting the Vulkan extensions, which will address not only Nvidia's performance but also Intel's.




Good to know. Do they have a timeline for when the extension rewrite will be completed?
 
I often wonder if Valve released some Steam OS productivity software if it would help adoption to desktops/steambox. Similar to the Google suite of productivity apps.
I don't think it would do much other than visibility for alternatives, especially when the google suite of productivity apps can just be run in a browser, and save them as a web apps if you wanna have a shortcut on the taskbar to launch.

Most productivity software either already have a Linux app option or can be done via web app. It's really the content creation apps where things get trickier, like the adobe suite, or music creation software.
 
Honestly, to rile up Linux people, all you need to do is say that [name] distribution is the best and only one to use.

If you want them to get into fisticuffs, say that [name] DE is the only one, or if you want pistols at dawn: kernel version.

Oh, I forgot, which repositories to use. Or how about Flatpak vs Snaps?
I'll do you one better.

Mention Brian Lunduke or XLibre and the Linux people (really the woke ones) will flip the shit out.
 
And then this "new" game has RT and/or HDR not working yet or crazy bugs like missing geometry and/or textures. Need to wait a proton update. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah there's no room for a sensible response to that. Hi five. Anyone can see for themselves inside an hour. It's easy to try out.
 
Yeah there's no room for a sensible response to that. Hi five. Anyone can see for themselves inside an hour. It's easy to try out.

I mean... it's 100% true. I have a Steam Deck, and the amount of times I have to fiddle around with Proton versions goes up exponentially the less mainstream and the less recent a game is.
then there's the issue that new releases have no guarantee to work, and that you might be stuck waiting for either a Proton or a game patch to fix it.

for one game I had to switch to an ancient proton version, and set it to Windows 7 mode, which I had to look through multiple protonDB posts to find that solution.
or just the other day, I wanted to play nail'd, a pretty decent ATV racing game from the 360 era... well, none of the FMVs worked and that meant many menu backgrounds were bugged + just black screens you have to skip through. I had to look through 4 different Proton versions until I found one where the menu backgrounds worked, but I still have black screens where videos are supposed to play. so I will have to look for additional fixes it seems.

meanwhile on Windows... it just works 🤷‍♂️
 
I mean... it's 100% true. I have a Steam Deck, and the amount of times I have to fiddle around with Proton versions goes up exponentially the less mainstream and the less recent a game is.
then there's the issue that new releases have no guarantee to work, and that you might be stuck waiting for either a Proton or a game patch to fix it.

for one game I had to switch to an ancient proton version, and set it to Windows 7 mode, which I had to look through multiple protonDB posts to find that solution.
or just the other day, I wanted to play nail'd, a pretty decent ATV racing game from the 360 era... well, none of the FMVs worked and that meant many menu backgrounds were bugged + just black screens you have to skip through. I had to look through 4 different Proton versions until I found one where the menu backgrounds worked, but I still have black screens where videos are supposed to play. so I will have to look for additional fixes it seems.

meanwhile on Windows... it just works 🤷‍♂️

It's pretty common that I have to try different proton versions, actually. I often forget that because it's pretty easy. There have been a few times where nothing worked and I had to just guess whether the same thing would have happened on windows. It's not very common though, or I wouldn't recommend it. Big releases have been tested against proton for years now thanks to steam deck so it gets more rare over time.

Look like I said the only way for someone to know it's going to work for them is to try. It's free and easy. I say if you plan to log into steam and play your games as-is, you will be fine. That's half the reason nobody's running out to put windows on their steam deck. But don't take my word for it. Also maybe don't take the word of people saying it's going to explode on contact. I'm not even going to say with confidence which will happen. I can say with confidence that it's easy to try and see for yourself.
 
So I bought a steam deck and steam is is the first time experiencing Linux.

First I tried to figure out how to change the language of the keyboard. Changed it to my language, but while I did steam os told me that even though my language has changed then it couldn't register my special words so I had to install that myself.

Then I couldn't really figure out how to uninstall an emulator I bought.

Then I should put emulators into steam. Apparently I had to launch the emulators through steam game mode because it uses other controls than desktop mode.
 
So I bought a steam deck and steam is is the first time experiencing Linux.

First I tried to figure out how to change the language of the keyboard. Changed it to my language, but while I did steam os told me that even though my language has changed then it couldn't register my special words so I had to install that myself.

Then I couldn't really figure out how to uninstall an emulator I bought.

Then I should put emulators into steam. Apparently I had to launch the emulators through steam game mode because it uses other controls than desktop mode.

I'd honestly just recommend for emulation you use Emudeck.

It was designed for the Steam Deck in mind, and it makes the process of setting up multiple emulation apps pretty easy. Includes easy ways to keep them updated, easy ways to store or transfer roms from your to/from your micro-sd card, includes various ways to add games automatically into Steam, and includes control presets that add functionality (save states, etc.) to easy binds for you, etc.
 
So I bought a steam deck and steam is is the first time experiencing Linux.

First I tried to figure out how to change the language of the keyboard. Changed it to my language, but while I did steam os told me that even though my language has changed then it couldn't register my special words so I had to install that myself.

Then I couldn't really figure out how to uninstall an emulator I bought.

Then I should put emulators into steam. Apparently I had to launch the emulators through steam game mode because it uses other controls than desktop mode.
You bought an emulator??
 
I enjoyed my $130 PC so much when a more powerful option went on sale for $500 I went ahead and grabbed it
I thought since it's more powerful I'll go ahead and roll with Windows 11 and do the Xbox full screen experience.
I made it 24 hours of attempting to couch game this way before I said screw it and installed Bazzite. Like I'd be trying to use Steam big picture mode and
Xbox would keep taking over it conflicting with each other and it was a total nightmare.

Things just scale so much more easily and everything is actually running so much better on the Bazzite side for me.
I give up multiplayer gaming on it by doing this I know but.. I was not going to play those with a controller from my couch anways.
 
I mean... it's 100% true. I have a Steam Deck, and the amount of times I have to fiddle around with Proton versions goes up exponentially the less mainstream and the less recent a game is.
then there's the issue that new releases have no guarantee to work, and that you might be stuck waiting for either a Proton or a game patch to fix it.

for one game I had to switch to an ancient proton version, and set it to Windows 7 mode, which I had to look through multiple protonDB posts to find that solution.
or just the other day, I wanted to play nail'd, a pretty decent ATV racing game from the 360 era... well, none of the FMVs worked and that meant many menu backgrounds were bugged + just black screens you have to skip through. I had to look through 4 different Proton versions until I found one where the menu backgrounds worked, but I still have black screens where videos are supposed to play. so I will have to look for additional fixes it seems.

meanwhile on Windows... it just works 🤷‍♂️
You're going to eventually have to tinker regardless of what operating system you use.

Everyone saying "It just works," whether it's about Linux or Windows is not being honest.

These are not consoles. You're going to have to tinker on a PC.
 
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You're going to eventually have to tinker regardless of what operating system you use.

Everyone saying "It just works," whether it's about Linux or Windows is not being honest.

These are not consoles. You're going to have to tinker on a PC.

I'd say consoles aren't even consoles anymore now, with the amount of games that need patches to fix basic things. At least with Proton the compatibility has improved immensely vs the initial month I used the Steam Deck.
 
You're going to eventually have to tinker regardless of what operating system you use.

Everyone saying "It just works," whether it's about Linux or Windows is not being honest.

These are not consoles. You're going to have to tinker on a PC.
The problem is where you have to tinker more.
 
Absolutely should stick with Linux then considering all the Windows headlines we've been seeing lately.

every "issue" with Windows a normal user will encounter are subjective ones or slight inconveniences . like, do you want Windows search to search the web? if you don't care, you don't have to do anything... if you don't want it you do a registry edit and it's gone.
or sometimes the explorer is a bit slow.

Linux issues are way more in your face and can't be ignored.
My main reference point for Linux is the Steam Deck, which uses probably the most stable and most user-friendly Linux distro you could ever ask for. it gets maintained by a multi billion dollar company, and gets tons of user/hobbyist support as well.
yet, the amount of things I have to manually fix simply to get programs and games working correctly in the short time I had the Deck, already outnumber the times I had to do similar things on any Windows version since around XP SP2, which is a whole 2 decades ago.

any problem fixing I do on Windows is stuff I do because I can, not because I have to.
I don't need my task bar to be at the top for the PC to function, but I like it on the top, so I manually "fixed" that. I also don't want my search to search the web, so I "fixed" that too. I don't want copilot to do anything on my PC... so I "fixed" it.
all of that was fully optional. it was essentially me customising my Windows install.
actually using the PC and using programs or playing games never gave me any issues.

but in order to play Pumpkin Jack on my Steam Deck by installing the Epic Store copy of it that I have, I had to look through multiple forums to find out how it doesn't give me a black screen on FMV sequences. and the fix was insanely esoteric and nonsensical too, so I'd probably have never found the solution on my on (I had to use a specific old Proton version, and set the app to windows 7 mode I think... which makes no sense... it's a relatively modern UE4 game from 2020...)
 
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every "issue" with Windows a normal user will encounter are subjective ones or slight inconveniences . like, do you want Windows search to search the web? if you don't care, you don't have to do anything... if you don't want it you do a registry edit and it's gone.
or sometimes the explorer is a bit slow.

Linux issues are way more in your face and can't be ignored.
My main reference point for Linux is the Steam Deck, which uses probably the most stable and most user-friendly Linux distro you could ever ask for. it gets maintained by a multi billion dollar company, and gets tons of user/hobbyist support as well.
yet, the amount of things I have to manually fix simply to get programs and games working correctly in the short time I had the Deck, already outnumber the times I had to do similar things on any Windows version since around XP SP2, which is a whole 2 decades ago.

any problem fixing I do on Windows is stuff I do because I can, not because I have to.
I don't need my task bar to be at the top for the PC to function, but I like it on the top, so I manually "fixed" that. I also don't want my search to search the web, so I "fixed" that too. I don't want copilot to do anything on my PC... so I "fixed" it.
all of that was fully optional. it was essentially me customising my Windows install.
actually using the PC and using programs or playing games never gave me any issues.

but in order to play Pumpkin Jack on my Steam Deck by installing the Epic Store copy of it that I have, I had to look through multiple forums to find out how it doesn't give me a black screen on FMV sequences. and the fix was insanely esoteric and nonsensical too, so I'd probably have never found the solution on my on (I had to use a specific old Proton version, and set the app to windows 7 mode I think... which makes no sense... it's a relatively modern UE4 game from 2020...)
Can you be more expecific, please, as I still have my black screen on FMV cutscenes in Wuthering Waves and a few other games?
 
Can you be more expecific, please, as I still have my black screen on FMV cutscenes in Wuthering Waves and a few other games?

each game is different. it's often either an issue with the Proton version, or some weird other quirks.

like I recently wanted to play Nail'd on the Deck, and that game uses FMVs as menu backgrounds. in order to fix those I had to try about 6-7 different Proton versions, but some FMV sequences like the intro still don't play.

try using both Valve's normal Proton versions and if that doesn't work, switch to Proton GE. Proton GE can sometimes fix video playback.


I think, looking back, that the Windows 7 mode stuff worked in Pumpkin Jack because it forces the game into DX11 mode (as Win7 doesn't support DX12). and this DX11 mode fixed the FMVs.
to change the windows compatibility mode you need to go into Winetricks/Protontricks settings (which I did through thr Heoric Launcher), and change the compatibility settings there
 
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My recent Linux experience

Installed Bazzite on my Nvidia 4090 laptop.

Screen brightness does not work at all and it's a constant max brightness
Path of exile 2 runs terribly and crashes when fiddling with graphics settings.
YouTube videos lag and stutter while downloading a game in the background on steam. I have 1GB Internet.
Certain games running on integrated graphics instead of your dedicated one. You have to go into you bootloader and add command lines.

Tried CachyOS: a lot of the same problems persist, still can't change brightness.

TLDR: unless you have an AMD GPU, didn't install Linux on your machine.
 
My recent Linux experience

Installed Bazzite on my Nvidia 4090 laptop.

Screen brightness does not work at all and it's a constant max brightness
Path of exile 2 runs terribly and crashes when fiddling with graphics settings.
YouTube videos lag and stutter while downloading a game in the background on steam. I have 1GB Internet.
Certain games running on integrated graphics instead of your dedicated one. You have to go into you bootloader and add command lines.

Tried CachyOS: a lot of the same problems persist, still can't change brightness.

TLDR: unless you have an AMD GPU, didn't install Linux on your machine.
I've used both Cachy and Bazzite with my 5090 PC and didn't have any of the problems you encountered.

Everything except HDR and sleep/wake worked flawlessly out of the box, and both of those were fixed with a little fiddling.

Cachy did eventually break on me, but that was because of the nature of the way Arch updates and I didn't have a rollback point, so instead of reinstalling it, I switch to Bazzite, which is "safer." I did use the desktop versions of both - not the SteamDeck-like installs.

I wonder if your issues were caused by uncommon hardware used in the laptop, because my PC is built with off-the-shelf parts and it works great.

EDIT: Path of Exile 2 is one of the games I play on a regular basis - no issues at all.
 
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I mean... it's 100% true. I have a Steam Deck, and the amount of times I have to fiddle around with Proton versions goes up exponentially the less mainstream and the less recent a game is.
then there's the issue that new releases have no guarantee to work, and that you might be stuck waiting for either a Proton or a game patch to fix it.

for one game I had to switch to an ancient proton version, and set it to Windows 7 mode, which I had to look through multiple protonDB posts to find that solution.
or just the other day, I wanted to play nail'd, a pretty decent ATV racing game from the 360 era... well, none of the FMVs worked and that meant many menu backgrounds were bugged + just black screens you have to skip through. I had to look through 4 different Proton versions until I found one where the menu backgrounds worked, but I still have black screens where videos are supposed to play. so I will have to look for additional fixes it seems.

meanwhile on Windows... it just works 🤷‍♂️
As a seasoned Deck Windows user, I would not share the same sentiment, "it just works".
 
TLDR: unless you have an AMD GPU, didn't install Linux on your machine.
Currently running Fedora 43 on an RTX 5060 Ti and really liking it. Sure the gaming performance overall is better on AMD (don't think this will last for long, though). But everything else is equal or better with the proprietary drivers on Linux. Nvidia works good in Linux if you know what you have to do.
 
I've used both Cachy and Bazzite with my 5090 PC and didn't have any of the problems you encountered.
Well that's the overall problem with Linux and the numerous distros. Unless you're prepared to dive into forums and google searches it's more than likely that something wont "just work"
Nvidia works good in Linux if you know what you have to do.
Sure, but most people don't if you've spent your entire time on Windows are are just trying out Linux as a first time. My problems don't seem uncommon and fixes are multiple from being either:
Unsupported hardware
Linux bug
Bad drivers
Distro X being better than Distro Y for this configuration

I get the Windows hate to some degree. But I feel like you can spend half the time debloating Windows with tools like Raphire and customizing your desktop with Rainmeter and still keep the so much better compatibility and performance of your hardware.
 
Regarding Nvidia vs AMD and Linux


Will share my personal experience, knowing that everyone's personal experience will be different, based on the exact hardware configurations you have.

I have two almost identical PCs, one in my office and one I use as an HTPC, hooked up to my living room PC.

Both have the same amount and type of memory, and both have AMD processors.

The office PC has an AMD GPU (7900 XTX) and the HTPC has an Nvidia 5090.

Both currently have Bazzite installed on them.

I've had fewer issues with the HTPC with the 5090 than I've had with the Office PC running the AMD GPU. Additionally, games seem to run just as smoothly on the 5090 PC, and the desktop looks cleaner and crisper. HDR works fine on both PCs.

I seriously don't understand what people talk about when they say they have issues with Nvidia and Linux.

By the way, I use the following to get HDR to work:

Linux Desktop:

1) Make sure HDR is turned on for your desktop

In Steam:

1) Force Compatibility with the latest ProtonGE release

2) Use the following launch options:

PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 PROTON_ENABLE_HDR=1 ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1 PROTON_DISABLE_HIDRAW=1 PROTON_PREFER_SDL=1 %command%

The only caveat, is that this bypasses Steam Input, so you'll need to use a gamepad that has decent native Linux Support - Xbox controllers, Dualsense, and 8bitDo controllers all work fine. My Gamesir controller does not.

Over the holidays, if you are an Nvidia owner who wants to try Bazzite or Cachy (Bazzite is "easier") and you run into problems, send me a DM. I will do everything I can, including jumping into Discord for voice chat if needed, to help you figure things out and get things working.
 
I get the Windows hate to some degree. But I feel like you can spend half the time debloating Windows with tools like Raphire and customizing your desktop with Rainmeter and still keep the so much better compatibility and performance of your hardware.

that's exactly what I've been saying.
every time I see people wanting to switch to Linux because "Widnows sucks", I facepalm.

if you have the time, knowledge, and patience to tinker with Linux, you also have the time, knowledge and patience to modify Windows in a way that removes all your issues with it.
at which point all the annoyances are gone, and you still keep the vastly superior compatibility and software support of Windows.

switching to Linux instead of just modifying Windows is like cutting your whole arm off and getting a prosthetic one, because you got a tattoo on it while you were drunk, instead of just getting it lasered off.
in both methods the unwanted tattoo is gone, but one of them gives you clearly less issues in the long run.
 
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every "issue" with Windows a normal user will encounter are subjective ones or slight inconveniences . like, do you want Windows search to search the web? if you don't care, you don't have to do anything... if you don't want it you do a registry edit and it's gone.
or sometimes the explorer is a bit slow.

Linux issues are way more in your face and can't be ignored.
My main reference point for Linux is the Steam Deck, which uses probably the most stable and most user-friendly Linux distro you could ever ask for. it gets maintained by a multi billion dollar company, and gets tons of user/hobbyist support as well.
yet, the amount of things I have to manually fix simply to get programs and games working correctly in the short time I had the Deck, already outnumber the times I had to do similar things on any Windows version since around XP SP2, which is a whole 2 decades ago.

any problem fixing I do on Windows is stuff I do because I can, not because I have to.
I don't need my task bar to be at the top for the PC to function, but I like it on the top, so I manually "fixed" that. I also don't want my search to search the web, so I "fixed" that too. I don't want copilot to do anything on my PC... so I "fixed" it.
all of that was fully optional. it was essentially me customising my Windows install.
actually using the PC and using programs or playing games never gave me any issues.

but in order to play Pumpkin Jack on my Steam Deck by installing the Epic Store copy of it that I have, I had to look through multiple forums to find out how it doesn't give me a black screen on FMV sequences. and the fix was insanely esoteric and nonsensical too, so I'd probably have never found the solution on my on (I had to use a specific old Proton version, and set the app to windows 7 mode I think... which makes no sense... it's a relatively modern UE4 game from 2020...)
I can't tell if you actually believe this or if you're lying. I used to be a heavy Windows user. I remember having edit config files in Windows games so that I could disable some always on peculiar graphics setting in a game that tanked my FPS by more than half. I remember having to run some weird timing utility to fix a Windows issues (I can't remember the name) so I wouldn't get horrible input latency in another game. Rolling back drivers was something I'd have to do periodically when NVIDIA or AMD (I've had both) released bad patches. I used to have a network card which had such bad Windows drivers my latency in games would spike from 50-150 randomly. You know what fixed it? Generic open source Linux drivers. The amount of Reddit threads, Overclock forum threads I've had to dig through to fix weird Windows Gaming issues are too numerous for me to list.

We've had recent examples of Microsoft releasing software updates that destroyed performance in games that NVIDIA had to hotfix. The threads on Neogaf alone, day after day, are so numerous I can't believe you're still making this argument. These aren't minor inconveniences for the user before they're fixed. They're just as annoying as what you experienced with the old Proton version.

That is not to say that Linux has zero problems. But anyone saying Windows is just "slight inconveniences" is either delusional or lying through their teeth. The reason it's annoying to you is because you're not used to Linux. That's literally it.
 
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that's exactly what I've been saying.
every time I see people wanting to switch to Linux because "Widnows sucks", I facepalm.

if you have the time, knowledge, and patience to tinker with Linux, you also have the time, knowledge and patience to modify Windows in a way that removes all your issues with it.
at which point all the annoyances are gone, and you still keep the vastly superior compatibility and software support of Windows.

switching to Linux instead of just modifying Windows is like cutting your whole arm off and getting a prosthetic one, because you got a tattoo on it while you were drunk, instead of just getting it lasered off.
in both methods the unwanted tattoo is gone, but one of them gives you clearly less issues in the long run.
This is the most sensible post in this thread so far. Hell, probably in all of this forum when it comes to Linux discussions.
 
I can't tell if you actually believe this or if you're lying. I used to be a heavy Windows user. I remember having edit config files in Windows games so that I could disable some always on peculiar graphics setting in a game that tanked my FPS by more than half. I remember having to run some weird timing utility to fix a Windows issues (I can't remember the name) so I wouldn't get horrible input latency in another game. Rolling back drivers was something I'd have to do periodically when NVIDIA or AMD (I've had both) released bad patches. I used to have a network card which had such bad Windows drivers my latency in games would spike from 50-150 randomly. You know what fixed it? Generic open source Linux drivers. The amount of Reddit threads, Overclock forum threads I've had to dig through to fix weird Windows Gaming issues are too numerous for me to list.

We've had recent examples of Microsoft releasing software updates that destroyed performance in games that NVIDIA had to hotfix. The threads on Neogaf alone, day after day, are so numerous I can't believe you're still making this argument. These aren't minor inconveniences for the user before they're fixed. They're just as annoying as what you experienced with the old Proton version.

That is not to say that Linux has zero problems. But anyone saying Windows is just "slight inconveniences" is either delusional or lying through their teeth. The reason it's annoying to you is because you're not used to Linux. That's literally it.

any OS on a PC will eventually have people like you, who are unlucky due to a very specific combination of hardware and drivers that have issues.

meanwhile, I am using the Steam Deck, a PC with a hand tailored Linux distro, yet I have to constantly jump through hoops the moment I want to use anything that is not specifically a game in the Steam Store that is marked as Deck Verified. and even Deck Verified doesn't always guarantee a functional game... Apex Legends was completely unplayable for a month or so due to the game not correctly compiling shaders, and not saving already compiled shaders, leading to every weapon swap, every new object, every nrw character skin in a new match having shader comp stutters.
And Apex Legends was Steam Deck Verified.

now imagine running a Distro that is not hand tailored to your PC and is not constantly maintained as well as Steam OS.


also, that Nvidia issue was with almost 100% certainty Nvidia's fault.
hence why they could patch it so fast.
they probably didn't comply with some Windows standard, and that fucked up the performance of their GPUs.

and now imagine using an Nvidia GPU... you know, the by far most popular brand, on Linux, where you are essentially reliant entirely on user made custom drivers... sounds fun!

the reality is very simple. for every 1 serious issue you could encounter on Windows, you'll encounter 10 on Linux.
unless you are very lucky on one, and very unlucky on the other, which can happen.

I personally literally had not a single serious issue on Windows for more than a decade..the biggest issue I had in 20 or so years, was my PC blue screening twice, probably due to a bad Nvidia driver version. that's it. I couldn't give you another example.
meanwhile yesterday my Steam Deck wouldn't go back into Game Mode and just was stuck on a black screen for 3min, while the touchpad haptics still worked 🙃 until I forced a shut down.

again, that is a hand tailored version of Linux on a fixed hardware platform... and I can basically report issues similar to that one sometimes on a weekly, or at least monthly basis, essentially depending on how much I am using it at that time.
 
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Sure, but most people don't if you've spent your entire time on Windows are are just trying out Linux as a first time. My problems don't seem uncommon and fixes are multiple from being either:
Unsupported hardware
Linux bug
Bad drivers
Distro X being better than Distro Y for this configuration

I get the Windows hate to some degree. But I feel like you can spend half the time debloating Windows with tools like Raphire and customizing your desktop with Rainmeter and still keep the so much better compatibility and performance of your hardware.
I 100% agree with your statements. As I've said before, my reason for using Linux is not because it somehow runs "better" in this or that regard (even though networking, security and storage are amazing). I use it because Windows is a frontal assault on me as a user. The amount of hostility towards the user under Windows is through the roof and it's only getting worse over the years. On GAF, we seem to have a majority of posters who aren't even aware of that. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Once you've understand what sinister things are being done to you as the user, you can't ignore it anymore. It's the same reason why some people decide to go vegetarian (or vegan) at some point in their lives - the cognitive dissonance becomes unbearable to the point where a s significant change in life is unavoidable. It's quite suprising to me that, in the "land of the free", where so many people have a real desire for autonomy and freedom, people are totally unaware how much of that is being taken away from them in the digital ecosystems.
 
I 100% agree with your statements. As I've said before, my reason for using Linux is not because it somehow runs "better" in this or that regard (even though networking, security and storage are amazing). I use it because Windows is a frontal assault on me as a user. The amount of hostility towards the user under Windows is through the roof and it's only getting worse over the years. On GAF, we seem to have a majority of posters who aren't even aware of that. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Once you've understand what sinister things are being done to you as the user, you can't ignore it anymore. It's the same reason why some people decide to go vegetarian (or vegan) at some point in their lives - the cognitive dissonance becomes unbearable to the point where a s significant change in life is unavoidable. It's quite suprising to me that, in the "land of the free", where so many people have a real desire for autonomy and freedom, people are totally unaware how much of that is being taken away from them in the digital ecosystems.

What stuff is in your face in windows? I'm keen for some good reasons to sack it off.
 
What stuff is in your face in windows? I'm keen for some good reasons to sack it off.
I'm sorry I don't have the time or mental capacity right now to give you the thoughtful and measured answer you're asking for. I hope you don't mind I asked GPT to give me a brief and comprehensible overview type text that touches on the main points of critique directed at Microsoft. This is of course only surface level and restricted to the Windows-side of things (there could be tons said with regards to Linux and the whole open source movement):

Why Windows is a Poor Choice for Privacy, Security and Digital Autonomy


Many people use Windows because it's familiar and widely supported. However, under the surface, Windows (especially Windows 11) has serious problems in terms of privacy, security, data collection, and user control. For many users, especially those who care about protecting their personal data and remaining autonomous in a digital world, these issues are not just technical — they are deeply important.




Key Criticisms of Windows 11


Here is a clear, bullet-style list of core concerns:


1) Hostile behavior toward private users


Windows often behaves in ways that benefit Microsoft's business goals at the expense of user privacy.


  • By default, system settings enable extensive data collection and telemetry.
  • Users are asked to create or link a Microsoft Account in ways that are difficult to refuse without losing functionality. Wikipedia
  • Some features (e.g., integrated advertising, forced promotion of Microsoft services) push users toward Microsoft services even when privacy-aware alternatives exist.

These defaults lead many privacy advocates to conclude that the system treats personal data as a resource to be collected and monetized, rather than something users should control.




2) Security weaknesses


Windows has historically been more affected by malware than many other systems.


  • The huge market share of Windows makes it a primary target for viruses, trojans, ransomware, and other malware.
  • Closed-source, proprietary code means independent experts cannot audit the system to find security flaws — security depends on Microsoft's own priorities and patching cycles.
  • Tools designed to bypass Windows hardware restrictions (e.g. to install unsupported versions of Windows 11) are quickly abused by malware authors, because Windows systems are so widely targeted. Windows Central

This ecosystem encourages attacks and makes it harder for users to protect themselves.




3) Telemetry and Loss of Informational Self-Determination


Windows sends far more diagnostic and usage data to Microsoft than most users realize.


  • Telemetry data collection is enabled by default and not fully removable on non-enterprise versions. Wikipedia
  • Many settings buried deep in menus are required to reduce data sharing, and even then some data tracking continues.
  • This collected data can include personalization details, typing patterns, configuration data, and more.

In many legal frameworks, the right to informational self-determination means users should control if and how personal data is shared. But Windows' design often assumes data collection unless users dig deep to turn it off.




4) Privacy concerns that touch on dignity


Some Windows features collect data in ways that critics argue can threaten personal dignity:


  • The Recall feature — an AI tool originally designed to capture screenshots of everything on your screen so you can search your history — was widely criticized for potentially capturing sensitive information like financial details or personal documents. TechRadar+1
  • Even after updates, reports suggest Recall can still capture sensitive on-screen information despite filters intended to block passwords and credit card numbers. Tom's Guide

The concern here is not just "data collection," but collecting everything you see and do on your screen, which raises ethical questions about the boundaries between user and system.


Many privacy advocates connect such pervasive system surveillance to deeper issues — that a user's sense of autonomy, dignity, and control is diminished when every action, input, or screen could be recorded or analyzed.




5) Vulnerability to malware and technical risks


Windows systems are often more vulnerable because of both structural and policy choices:


  • Windows uses a complex, closed-source codebase that cannot be independently audited for hidden vulnerabilities.
  • Its permission and rights management model has historically been weaker than many Unix-like systems (Linux, BSD), making privilege escalation and malware attacks easier.
  • Frequent reliance on third-party antivirus solutions is often necessary because Windows' built-in protection is reactive rather than preventive.

These factors contribute to a system that is more frequently targeted by malware authors and less resilient by design.




6) User-unfriendly practices by Microsoft


Many users have complained about recent practices in Windows 11 that feel intrusive or heavy-handed:


  • Forced integration of AI assistants like Copilot, even when users don't want them. Many users have expressed frustration and backlash over Copilot and AI features being pushed aggressively by Microsoft. Windows Central
  • Default features and new service integrations are often opt-out rather than opt-in, meaning users have to dig through settings if they don't want certain features.
  • Microsoft has been known to override user preferences, for example by using proprietary hooks to redirect search or browser defaults back to Microsoft's own browser (Microsoft Edge), and patching third-party tools that attempt to restore user control. Wikipedia

These examples illustrate a broader pattern: users are often nudged toward Microsoft's preferred ecosystem, rather than enabled to keep control.




Summary: What This Means for Users


If you care about privacy, data protection, and autonomy, then:


  • Windows collects more data than most users expect or understand.
  • Much of this data collection cannot be disabled easily.
  • The deep integration of AI and telemetry features raises real concerns about ongoing surveillance.
  • Windows' security model and closed source nature make it harder for independent auditors to vet or improve the system.
  • Microsoft's business incentives often push toward expanding data collection and service integration.

Many users who value personal digital freedom choose open, transparent, and audit-able systems instead — such as Linux distributions, which prioritize user control and do not build in large-scale data collection by default.
 
I'm sorry I don't have the time or mental capacity right now to give you the thoughtful and measured answer you're asking for. I hope you don't mind I asked GPT to give me a brief and comprehensible overview type text that touches on the main points of critique directed at Microsoft. This is of course only surface level and restricted to the Windows-side of things (there could be tons said with regards to Linux and the whole open source movement):

Why Windows is a Poor Choice for Privacy, Security and Digital Autonomy


Many people use Windows because it's familiar and widely supported. However, under the surface, Windows (especially Windows 11) has serious problems in terms of privacy, security, data collection, and user control. For many users, especially those who care about protecting their personal data and remaining autonomous in a digital world, these issues are not just technical — they are deeply important.




Key Criticisms of Windows 11


Here is a clear, bullet-style list of core concerns:


1) Hostile behavior toward private users


Windows often behaves in ways that benefit Microsoft's business goals at the expense of user privacy.


  • By default, system settings enable extensive data collection and telemetry.
  • Users are asked to create or link a Microsoft Account in ways that are difficult to refuse without losing functionality. Wikipedia
  • Some features (e.g., integrated advertising, forced promotion of Microsoft services) push users toward Microsoft services even when privacy-aware alternatives exist.

These defaults lead many privacy advocates to conclude that the system treats personal data as a resource to be collected and monetized, rather than something users should control.




2) Security weaknesses


Windows has historically been more affected by malware than many other systems.


  • The huge market share of Windows makes it a primary target for viruses, trojans, ransomware, and other malware.
  • Closed-source, proprietary code means independent experts cannot audit the system to find security flaws — security depends on Microsoft's own priorities and patching cycles.
  • Tools designed to bypass Windows hardware restrictions (e.g. to install unsupported versions of Windows 11) are quickly abused by malware authors, because Windows systems are so widely targeted. Windows Central

This ecosystem encourages attacks and makes it harder for users to protect themselves.




3) Telemetry and Loss of Informational Self-Determination


Windows sends far more diagnostic and usage data to Microsoft than most users realize.


  • Telemetry data collection is enabled by default and not fully removable on non-enterprise versions. Wikipedia
  • Many settings buried deep in menus are required to reduce data sharing, and even then some data tracking continues.
  • This collected data can include personalization details, typing patterns, configuration data, and more.

In many legal frameworks, the right to informational self-determination means users should control if and how personal data is shared. But Windows' design often assumes data collection unless users dig deep to turn it off.




4) Privacy concerns that touch on dignity


Some Windows features collect data in ways that critics argue can threaten personal dignity:


  • The Recall feature — an AI tool originally designed to capture screenshots of everything on your screen so you can search your history — was widely criticized for potentially capturing sensitive information like financial details or personal documents. TechRadar+1
  • Even after updates, reports suggest Recall can still capture sensitive on-screen information despite filters intended to block passwords and credit card numbers. Tom's Guide

The concern here is not just "data collection," but collecting everything you see and do on your screen, which raises ethical questions about the boundaries between user and system.


Many privacy advocates connect such pervasive system surveillance to deeper issues — that a user's sense of autonomy, dignity, and control is diminished when every action, input, or screen could be recorded or analyzed.




5) Vulnerability to malware and technical risks


Windows systems are often more vulnerable because of both structural and policy choices:


  • Windows uses a complex, closed-source codebase that cannot be independently audited for hidden vulnerabilities.
  • Its permission and rights management model has historically been weaker than many Unix-like systems (Linux, BSD), making privilege escalation and malware attacks easier.
  • Frequent reliance on third-party antivirus solutions is often necessary because Windows' built-in protection is reactive rather than preventive.

These factors contribute to a system that is more frequently targeted by malware authors and less resilient by design.




6) User-unfriendly practices by Microsoft


Many users have complained about recent practices in Windows 11 that feel intrusive or heavy-handed:


  • Forced integration of AI assistants like Copilot, even when users don't want them. Many users have expressed frustration and backlash over Copilot and AI features being pushed aggressively by Microsoft. Windows Central
  • Default features and new service integrations are often opt-out rather than opt-in, meaning users have to dig through settings if they don't want certain features.
  • Microsoft has been known to override user preferences, for example by using proprietary hooks to redirect search or browser defaults back to Microsoft's own browser (Microsoft Edge), and patching third-party tools that attempt to restore user control. Wikipedia

These examples illustrate a broader pattern: users are often nudged toward Microsoft's preferred ecosystem, rather than enabled to keep control.




Summary: What This Means for Users


If you care about privacy, data protection, and autonomy, then:


  • Windows collects more data than most users expect or understand.
  • Much of this data collection cannot be disabled easily.
  • The deep integration of AI and telemetry features raises real concerns about ongoing surveillance.
  • Windows' security model and closed source nature make it harder for independent auditors to vet or improve the system.
  • Microsoft's business incentives often push toward expanding data collection and service integration.

Many users who value personal digital freedom choose open, transparent, and audit-able systems instead — such as Linux distributions, which prioritize user control and do not build in large-scale data collection by default.

Thx man! Gonna digest this properly.
 
each game is different. it's often either an issue with the Proton version, or some weird other quirks.

like I recently wanted to play Nail'd on the Deck, and that game uses FMVs as menu backgrounds. in order to fix those I had to try about 6-7 different Proton versions, but some FMV sequences like the intro still don't play.

try using both Valve's normal Proton versions and if that doesn't work, switch to Proton GE. Proton GE can sometimes fix video playback.


I think, looking back, that the Windows 7 mode stuff worked in Pumpkin Jack because it forces the game into DX11 mode (as Win7 doesn't support DX12). and this DX11 mode fixed the FMVs.
to change the windows compatibility mode you need to go into Winetricks/Protontricks settings (which I did through thr Heoric Launcher), and change the compatibility settings there
I tried "Proton GE latest" and still nope.
 
As a seasoned Deck Windows user, I would not share the same sentiment, "it just works".
Compared to Linux, yes. 99% of games just works while on Linux 90% of games works and much less "just works" needing additional tinkering.

I'm sorry I don't have the time or mental capacity right now to give you the thoughtful and measured answer you're asking for. I hope you don't mind I asked GPT to give me a brief and comprehensible overview type text that touches on the main points of critique directed at Microsoft. This is of course only surface level and restricted to the Windows-side of things (there could be tons said with regards to Linux and the whole open source movement):

Why Windows is a Poor Choice for Privacy, Security and Digital Autonomy


Many people use Windows because it's familiar and widely supported. However, under the surface, Windows (especially Windows 11) has serious problems in terms of privacy, security, data collection, and user control. For many users, especially those who care about protecting their personal data and remaining autonomous in a digital world, these issues are not just technical — they are deeply important.




Key Criticisms of Windows 11


Here is a clear, bullet-style list of core concerns:


1) Hostile behavior toward private users


Windows often behaves in ways that benefit Microsoft's business goals at the expense of user privacy.


  • By default, system settings enable extensive data collection and telemetry.
  • Users are asked to create or link a Microsoft Account in ways that are difficult to refuse without losing functionality. Wikipedia
  • Some features (e.g., integrated advertising, forced promotion of Microsoft services) push users toward Microsoft services even when privacy-aware alternatives exist.

These defaults lead many privacy advocates to conclude that the system treats personal data as a resource to be collected and monetized, rather than something users should control.




2) Security weaknesses


Windows has historically been more affected by malware than many other systems.


  • The huge market share of Windows makes it a primary target for viruses, trojans, ransomware, and other malware.
  • Closed-source, proprietary code means independent experts cannot audit the system to find security flaws — security depends on Microsoft's own priorities and patching cycles.
  • Tools designed to bypass Windows hardware restrictions (e.g. to install unsupported versions of Windows 11) are quickly abused by malware authors, because Windows systems are so widely targeted. Windows Central

This ecosystem encourages attacks and makes it harder for users to protect themselves.




3) Telemetry and Loss of Informational Self-Determination


Windows sends far more diagnostic and usage data to Microsoft than most users realize.


  • Telemetry data collection is enabled by default and not fully removable on non-enterprise versions. Wikipedia
  • Many settings buried deep in menus are required to reduce data sharing, and even then some data tracking continues.
  • This collected data can include personalization details, typing patterns, configuration data, and more.

In many legal frameworks, the right to informational self-determination means users should control if and how personal data is shared. But Windows' design often assumes data collection unless users dig deep to turn it off.




4) Privacy concerns that touch on dignity


Some Windows features collect data in ways that critics argue can threaten personal dignity:


  • The Recall feature — an AI tool originally designed to capture screenshots of everything on your screen so you can search your history — was widely criticized for potentially capturing sensitive information like financial details or personal documents. TechRadar+1
  • Even after updates, reports suggest Recall can still capture sensitive on-screen information despite filters intended to block passwords and credit card numbers. Tom's Guide

The concern here is not just "data collection," but collecting everything you see and do on your screen, which raises ethical questions about the boundaries between user and system.


Many privacy advocates connect such pervasive system surveillance to deeper issues — that a user's sense of autonomy, dignity, and control is diminished when every action, input, or screen could be recorded or analyzed.




5) Vulnerability to malware and technical risks


Windows systems are often more vulnerable because of both structural and policy choices:


  • Windows uses a complex, closed-source codebase that cannot be independently audited for hidden vulnerabilities.
  • Its permission and rights management model has historically been weaker than many Unix-like systems (Linux, BSD), making privilege escalation and malware attacks easier.
  • Frequent reliance on third-party antivirus solutions is often necessary because Windows' built-in protection is reactive rather than preventive.

These factors contribute to a system that is more frequently targeted by malware authors and less resilient by design.




6) User-unfriendly practices by Microsoft


Many users have complained about recent practices in Windows 11 that feel intrusive or heavy-handed:


  • Forced integration of AI assistants like Copilot, even when users don't want them. Many users have expressed frustration and backlash over Copilot and AI features being pushed aggressively by Microsoft. Windows Central
  • Default features and new service integrations are often opt-out rather than opt-in, meaning users have to dig through settings if they don't want certain features.
  • Microsoft has been known to override user preferences, for example by using proprietary hooks to redirect search or browser defaults back to Microsoft's own browser (Microsoft Edge), and patching third-party tools that attempt to restore user control. Wikipedia

These examples illustrate a broader pattern: users are often nudged toward Microsoft's preferred ecosystem, rather than enabled to keep control.




Summary: What This Means for Users


If you care about privacy, data protection, and autonomy, then:


  • Windows collects more data than most users expect or understand.
  • Much of this data collection cannot be disabled easily.
  • The deep integration of AI and telemetry features raises real concerns about ongoing surveillance.
  • Windows' security model and closed source nature make it harder for independent auditors to vet or improve the system.
  • Microsoft's business incentives often push toward expanding data collection and service integration.

Many users who value personal digital freedom choose open, transparent, and audit-able systems instead — such as Linux distributions, which prioritize user control and do not build in large-scale data collection by default.
None of these affected my gaming experiences so far, so it's all not significant issues, at least yet.
 
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Summary: What This Means for Users


If you care about privacy, data protection, and autonomy, then:


  • Windows collects more data than most users expect or understand.
  • Much of this data collection cannot be disabled easily.
  • The deep integration of AI and telemetry features raises real concerns about ongoing surveillance.
  • Windows' security model and closed source nature make it harder for independent auditors to vet or improve the system.
  • Microsoft's business incentives often push toward expanding data collection and service integration.

Many users who value personal digital freedom choose open, transparent, and audit-able systems instead — such as Linux distributions, which prioritize user control and do not build in large-scale data collection by default.
Because we all know OSX, Linux, Android, and iOS are locked down like Fort Knox and never have any malware that's able to be installed remotely without user knowledge.

Windows while imperfect like any other system has made strives to protect users from themselves. The main entry point is now a website telling users to copy code, open powershell and paste and run the code. If users are dumb enough to do that, how are can you still have a system that is still functional for people who want more than just ChromeOS?

The complaints about Microsoft accounts are overblown, Apple says done the same for much longer. And the new push is that Microsoft is enabling bitlocker by default even on Home skus. They found people are just clicking through, "Yes I really did save my Bitlocker keys in a safe space". Oh know, I need those keys I didn't actually save? My data is encrypted and can't be recovered WTF!!!!

I installed SteamOS on a mini PC and have been using it as a console. Know what I found? There was no way to have a pin for an individual Steam account? You can require a pin to get into Desktop mode, or before being able to select an account. But not a different one per account. So I had to remove all payment methods from my account as they were just hanging out there. There's been no issues of the kids messing with my account. But it's still a complete lack of security. The PlayStation and Xbox both have methods to secure individual accounts on their consoles.
 
The complaints about Microsoft accounts are overblown, Apple says done the same for much longer. And the new push is that Microsoft is enabling bitlocker by default even on Home skus. They found people are just clicking through, "Yes I really did save my Bitlocker keys in a safe space". Oh know, I need those keys I didn't actually save? My data is encrypted and can't be recovered WTF!!!!
I completely disagree that the issues are overblown. Microsoft should not be dictating how I run my computer. They shouldn't be forcing co-pilot down my throat. They shouldn't be harvesting my personal data for their LLMs. There shouldn't be ads in my operating system. My personal files shouldn't be uploaded to one drive without my permission. I shouldn't have to run a script so I don't have to stare at the Edge icon on my taskbar or disable invasive and unwanted features, only to have them get re-enabled again after a software update.
 
I completely disagree that the issues are overblown. Microsoft should not be dictating how I run my computer. They shouldn't be forcing co-pilot down my throat. They shouldn't be harvesting my personal data for their LLMs. There shouldn't be ads in my operating system. My personal files shouldn't be uploaded to one drive without my permission. I shouldn't have to run a script so I don't have to stare at the Edge icon on my taskbar or disable invasive and unwanted features, only to have them get re-enabled again after a software update.
Right click the icons, choose unpin from taskbar? That doesn't seem too complex to me. If you are in a corporate environment that doesn't want users accessing Edge, then you'll want something custom that sets up the custom default layout for your environment. But how are the defaults any different from what a clean install of OSX pushing Safari, or just the default browser on a Linux distro?

OneDrive prompts you to upload files and doesn't do it by default. How do I know? I have a separate Win11 system that has a MS tied account. I can access files that are already on OneDrive. But the default Documents, Pictures, etc. aren't pointed at OneDrive and don't get uploaded.

There are UI options under Settings that disable recommended apps (the "Ads"), and stops the prompting after updates about an MS account, setting up OneDrive etc. Would having this be free be ideal? Sure, but Windows is essentially free which means you are the product now. If it doesn't work for you go ahead and use something else. But don't just parrot lies you've heard from uneducated people that don't know what their talking about.
 
I completely disagree that the issues are overblown. Microsoft should not be dictating how I run my computer. They shouldn't be forcing co-pilot down my throat. They shouldn't be harvesting my personal data for their LLMs. There shouldn't be ads in my operating system. My personal files shouldn't be uploaded to one drive without my permission. I shouldn't have to run a script so I don't have to stare at the Edge icon on my taskbar or disable invasive and unwanted features, only to have them get re-enabled again after a software update.
It's their OS you are running so make sense they dictate some things you run on your computer. Even then you are free to run gazillions of programs and change some Windows stuff that are not officially allowed.

Copilot, ads, one drive uploads and Edge icons on taskbar were never forced here, WTF!
 
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Compared to Linux, yes. 99% of games just works while on Linux 90% of games works and much less "just works" needing additional tinkering.


None of these affected my gaming experiences so far, so it's all not significant issues, at least yet.
Lol you are constantly telling people they're wrong because their experiences aren't the majority but then turn around use your experiences as to why something is or isn't.
 
It's their OS you are running so make sense they dictate some things you run on your computer. Even then you are free to run gazillions of programs and change some Windows stuff that are not officially allowed.

Copilot, ads, one drive uploads and Edge icons on taskbar were never forced here, WTF!
It's indeed fairly easy to disable most of the crap MS pushes, especially if you are on Pro or Enterprise versions. And LTSC avoids vast majority of it altogether. Then you have a whole bunch of applications that can help customize it. And hope MS doesn't break all of this on next yearly update (I pause feature updates first at least a year).

For work, it's completely controllable through desktop images, SCCM and Intune.

That said, MS is still annoying, their QA still sucks (even for enterprise), they push telemetry for everything and even with Enterprise MS finds ways to screw with you.

However, I still run Windows for my gaming PC (5080 Nvidia). I have had some meh results trying Linux (Mint, Bazzite) on my older 3080Ti rig so will wait another year or two.

I do have Lenovo's Legion Go S and Steam Deck OLED and SteamOS is perfect for a portable, IMO.
 
OneDrive prompts you to upload files and doesn't do it by default. How do I know? I have a separate Win11 system that has a MS tied account. I can access files that are already on OneDrive. But the default Documents, Pictures, etc. aren't pointed at OneDrive and don't get uploaded.

Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission:



There are UI options under Settings that disable recommended apps (the "Ads"), and stops the prompting after updates about an MS account, setting up OneDrive etc. Would having this be free be ideal? Sure, but Windows is essentially free which means you are the product now. If it doesn't work for you go ahead and use something else. But don't just parrot lies you've heard from uneducated people that don't know what their talking about.

Like the people in this thread insisting that OneDrive doesn't upload files by default?
 
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Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission:





Like the people in this thread insisting that OneDrive doesn't upload files by default?

Exactly, the Neowin article linked by that Reddit post has the steps to disable OneDrive backup.

OneDrive backup is selected by default, and if you just click next, next, next it "shocker" gets turned on. But if you actually read the screen, it's disabling a toggle during the initial setup.
 
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