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Teacher gets sued after using racist comments in class

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LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A Brentwood parent is suing the school district, charging that a male teacher made offensive and racially charged comments in his class in front of and focused on his biracial daughter.

The parent accused the teacher of using the N-word, said “black people were not smart,” as well as suggesting teen Michael Brown, shot to death by a police officer in Ferguson, Mo., “got what he deserved.”

Court papers obtained by City News Service show the complaint was filed by a parent identified only as Shawn B. for the benefit of his daughter, Maggie B., a student at Paul Revere Charter Middle School and Magnet Center in Brentwood.

The suit alleges civil-rights violations and seeks unspecified damages as well as a court order directing that the Los Angeles Unified School District provide accommodations to students “free from prohibited discrimination.”

An LAUSD representative said the district has “no comment on the complaint, which we are still reviewing. District policy is adamant that all students are to be treated with respect. The safety of students is L.A. Unified’s highest priority.”

The plaintiff is under 18 and is half black and half white, according to the suit filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court. She started Paul Revere School two years ago as a seventh-grade student and selected the campus because of its racial and socioeconomic diversity, according to the complaint.

Early this year, the student was assigned to an eighth-grade history class taught by Steven Carnine. On Jan. 16, the day after the birthday of slain civil-rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., Carnine handed out a questionnaire that asked about racial stereotypes, according to the plaintiff.
During a follow-up discussion, Carnine brought up the shooting of Brown by former officer Darren Wilson.

“In discussing the incident, Carnine said that the guy was a thug and he got what he deserved,” according to the suit, which alleges that the teacher also said: “Black people are judged for not being smart because they are not smart. A lot of them are just athletes.”

Carnine went on to say that if he was walking alone at night and there were two black men behind him, he was “immediately going to be scared and think they are either going to steal from me or hurt me,” the lawsuit alleges.

Carnine made the anti-black remarks while looking directly at the plaintiff and the one other black student in the class, the suit alleges. The class has about 30 students in all.
The suit also alleged that the teacher also said: “We all know Jews like to hoard their money.”
Maggie, whose family was involved in the civil-rights movement, became “intensely uncomfortable and uneasy by these comments,” the suit states.

The girl’s father complained to Principal Christopher Perdigao, who replied that Carnine was “old school” and that the best way to solve the issue was to try and meet with him, the suit alleges.
However, that same day, Carnine, during a lecture on the Civil War, stated that “people didn’t like Lincoln because he was a (N-word) lover,” the complaint alleges. Carnine was “staring and smirking” at the plaintiff when he made the remark, according to the suit.

The girl’s father returned to the school with her mother and godmother to speak with school officials to protest the remarks. Assistant Principal Thomas Iannucci, while saying he would investigate Carnine’s alleged comments, also was dismissive of the complaints and said “there is no need to go to the press,” according to the suit.

The girl now fears for her safety at school. The family says Iannucci has not told the student or her family what occurred during the investigation into Carnine’s alleged remarks, according to the lawsuit, which says she has been “subjected to glares and hostile stares” from Carnine and Iannucci.
“Plaintiff has also suffered from sleep problems and anxiety since these incidents arose,” the suit states.
Make sure to read the news story -- can you spot something funny?
Specifically, this part:
On Jan. 16, the day after the birthday of slain civil-rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., Carnine handed out a questionnaire that asked about racial stereotypes, according to the plaintiff.
I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.
 

ZeroX03

Banned
I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.

Did he not consider that the irony could be lost on children?
 
Make sure to read the news story -- can you spot something funny?
Specifically, this part:

I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.

so, would you say that the teacher is ... one of the good ones?
 

Newt

Member
I used to have a teacher in highschool that would use the word "fag" to get the point across that it was wrong to be homophobic. Completely flew over this one girl's head though.
 

orochi91

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I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.

He's probably going to lose his job.

Irony doesn't really work well with kids lol
 
Make sure to read the news story -- can you spot something funny?
Specifically, this part:

I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.

Interesting. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was his intention. Sucks for him, but yeah children are very bad at irony.
 

JDSN

Banned
If I were. 1. A teacher. 2. Being dumb enough to use irony to teach stereotypes to a bunch of teenagers id probably be making stereotypes against myself because honestly, if some dude would start calling me a beaner, drug mule and at the end of that say "jk", I wont make my desire to punch him fade away magically. Its tone deaf, specially in this current climate.
 
If I were. 1. A teacher. 2. Being dumb enough to use irony to teach stereotypes to a bunch of teenagers id probably be making stereotypes against myself because honestly, if some dude would start calling me a beaner, drug mule and at the end of that say "jk", I wont make my desire to punch him fade away magically.

It's funny because I believe he did that with our class. My memory isn't 100%, but I'm pretty sure he called himself a chink sometime during class for the same reasons as the OP.
 

JDSN

Banned
It's funny because I believe he did that with our class. My memory isn't 100%, but I'm pretty sure he called himself a chink sometime during class for the same reasons as the OP.
Yeah, again id do the same, but not other races. I would probably be laughing at it if it was open mic night or if he were sitting on a Daily Show chair.

Maybe the kid's family political activist background exacerbated the reaction, but your teacher made a big (unintentional?) mistake.
 

_Ryo_

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Yeah. As soon as I read about the questionnaire I had my suspicions that the teacher wasnt actually racist and was trying to teach a very valuable life lessons, that feeling was exemplified by the Jewish remarks.

Though, I think he could have gone about it much, much, MUCH better. Like, telling his students that they were about to take part in an experiment. Its kind of really stupid he didnt think of the consequences before his actions. As a biracial person myself, if something similar happened to me I would be quite offended as well had I not had the foresight or hindsight to understand what he was trying to do.

BUT then he also made very rude remarks to a parent as well, trying to anger him. So he may very well be racist after all, that he is a person that cant think before they act.
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
This story can't be worse than the fact I was almost involved in a mock slave trade in 11th grade. My mother had to write a letter to the principle to cut that shit out and my racist ass teacher though it was okay.
 
This story can't be worse than the fact I was almost involved in a mock slave trade in 11th grade. My mother had to write a letter to the principle to cut that shit out and my racist ass teacher though it was okay.

lmao wth type of nonsense is that? Lol teachers nowadays are getting a bit too carried away.
 
I know this teacher, and I can say with 99% certainty that he was using these statements ironically to try to get the point across that racial stereotypes are bad. By using them, he's pointing out how stupid it is to believe the things he's saying.

Why didn't he just take the class to the Museum of Tolerance like everyone else in la unified? That lesson is the whole point of the place.
 
In order to demonstrate the importance of firearm safety, I will now fire several rounds into the classro--Why am I being arrested??
 

MGrant

Member
It's a hard lesson to teach, but in my opinion an important one. Kids need to understand that, whether they like it or not, they're going to have to engage with prejudice at some point, and there are right and wrong ways to respond to it.

My approach is usually to go for the most benign stereotypes I can, after explicitly telling them that I am saying things that are reprehensible. Stuff like "Americans are loud and rude," "Japanese people are shy and polite," "Men are better at sports than women," etc. But pretty much any less-than-flattering comment directed towards a gender, cultural, or ethnic group, even ironically, carries a huge risk. Probably safer to let them explore the topic elsewhere if you teach in a public school.
 
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