Teacher Michelle McCutchan, convicted of raping two students, sentence 15 years

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Here we go for the 'men can't be raped' debate.
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No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Men can be raped. But, realistically speaking, if these 16 year old males are not mentally, emotionally, or otherwise in any other way disabled, I don't think we are talking about a brutal crime here, in this specific case. Now, we don't have many details. But assuming, the teacher didn't psychically or emotionally mess with their mind to force them to have sex with her, then I just don't see what the big deal is here. 16 year old males can handle sexual relations, regardless of the state law. Is there a disagreement there? Many other states have made laws that agree with that. I understand that the law in her specific state makes it illegal, but I still don't think it's right, especially in this case.


Rockandrollclown said:
So you're arguing that a. boys can't be raped and b. girls don't like sex?
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I'm not explaining my point the best can here, I guess. I'm not saying anything absurd like, "girls don't like sex as much as guys" or anything. And no one should treat rape cases differently based on gender. I don't believe that. But, I think context is very important when dealing with a case such as this. I think age is the most important factor here. I regret bringing up the whole male vs female concerning rape thing, since I don't think that's a real factor here.

Devolution said:
In the first 50 posts. Congrats.
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Hey, it's not like I came running in here to start spouting that there's "guy rape" and "girl rape." I understand that a man can be raped (even if its "consensual"), just like any woman can be. It's just maddening to me that this woman received this terrible sentence. If the boys were female, and the teacher, male, I would be saying the exact same thing. Age is the factor here. Me bringing up gender was me going on a tangent that didn't have anything to do with this case, and more generally speaking, really nothing to with rape for that matter.
 
Coconut said:
So we can all agree the rape is only wrong when it's a dude doing it or an ugly women.
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No but there is no true way to make this equal when it comes to rapes between man and woman. I just don't see how it can work if we take genetics into play.
 
Always been a weird double standard to me. We've always been told that girls mature faster than boys, but when sex is involved, somehow it's the girls that are less equipped to handle it.

Rape is rape, and should be punished accordingly.
 
Game-Biz said:
It is a touchy subject, but I generally agree. Sexuality is very different between males and females. Just go to chatroulette to see what I mean :P That doesn't mean you can making a ruling based on that alone, but goddamn, I really find it hard to believe that two 16 year old males were really "raped" by this woman. I really just don't see it. Did she tie them down and forcibly abuse them? That would be something that I could see warrants many years in jail. But if the boys wanted to have sex with her as well, then I don't see how this is such a horrfic crime. The biggest crime here, is that the boys would get A's in the class without deserving it.
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This lady was caught, because one of the boys was overheard bragging about making a sex tape with her
 
A.E Suggs said:
Me neither, I'd rather females have more leeway when it comes to rape than males though. At sixteen though the majority of males I've come across would wish something like this would happen as long as the female is hot.
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You know... a lot of young girls do fantasise about sex too. Sex with adult males. My female friends and I would talk about sex all the time when I was in school. This is absolutely awful, but there was even a girl in my sister's class who would brag to the other girls about having sex with her own uncle, and how much she enjoyed it.

It's not socially acceptable for girls to show an appetite for sex like it is for boys, but that doesn't mean that they don't have one. Not commenting on this particular case (not sure exactly what to think about it... 16 is the age of consent where I live, so y'know...), but in general this is more complicated than some people seem to think. A lot of young girls and boys actually think they enjoy sexual experiences while it's happening, but it still ends up seriously affecting them down the line.
 
Game-Biz said:
No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Men can be raped. But, realistically speaking, if these 16 males are not mentally, emotionally, or otherwise in any other way disabled, I don't think we are talking about a brutal crime here, in this specific case. Now, we don't have many details. But assuming, the teacher didn't psychically or emotionally mess with their mind to force them to have sex with her, then I just don't see what the big deal is here. 16 year old males can handle sexual relations, regardless of the state law. Is there a disagreement there? Many other states have made laws that agree with that. I understand that the law in her specific state makes it illegal, but I still don't think it's right, especially in this case.



I'm not explaining my point the best can here, I guess. I'm not saying anything absurd like, "girls don't like sex as much as guys" or anything. And no one should treat rape cases differently based on gender. I don't believe that. But, I think context is very important when dealing with a case such as this. I think age is the most important factor here. I regret bringing up the whole male vs female concerning rape thing, since I don't think that's a real factor here.


Hey, it's not like I came running in here to start spouting that there's "guy rape" and "girl rape." I understand that a man can be raped, just like any woman can be. It's just maddening to me that this woman received this terrible sentence. If the boys were female, and the teacher, male, I would be saying the exact same thing. Age is the factor here. Me bringing up gender was me going on a tangent that didn't have anything to do with this case, and more generally speaking, really nothing to with rape for that matter.
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Would you apply the same reasoning to 16 year old girls?
 
Wuthering_Heights said:
Always been a weird double standard to me. We've always been told that girls mature faster than boys, but when sex is involved, somehow it's the girls that are less equipped to handle it.

Rape is rape, and should be punished accordingly.
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I think these guys were bragging about it, which is how the word got out. So yeah, probably not mature enough to handle it.
 
All I ever wanted in high school was to bang my English teacher. The boners Id have in class... man.

I once hit a fellow student with my boner walking out of class to masturbate in the janitors closet (the sexual tension was just to much) and everyone started laughing, girls blushing.
 
windowlurker said:
All I ever wanted in high school was to bang my English teacher. The boners Id have in class... man.

I once hit a fellow student with my boner walking out of class to masturbate in the janitors closet (the sexual tension was just to much) and everyone started laughing, girls blushing.
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lol you could have put an eye out with that thing.
 
Wuthering_Heights said:
Always been a weird double standard to me. We've always been told that girls mature faster than boys, but when sex is involved, somehow it's the girls that are less equipped to handle it.

Rape is rape, and should be punished accordingly.
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It's not really a male vs female thing. A man who rapes another man is just as bad as a man who rapes a woman. There's a natural dominance in penetrating, not in being penetrated.

Like I said before, is a difference between you forcibly penetrating someone vs forcing someone to penetrate you? I think there is, but that doesn't mean men can't be raped or it isn't a violating experience.

I just think the sentence is too harsh.
 
Also worth mentioning that the age of consent in that state is 16, so she would have been fine if she wasn't making sex tapes with students in her district. She's an elementary teacher so they weren't even in her school. I bet she thought she was in the clear but she should have read the fine print on that one.
 
I often wonder what sex position these students/teachers use with each other. Does the teacher usually dominate and go full on cowgirl with the kid you think?
 
SapientWolf said:
Also worth mentioning that the age of consent in that state is 16, so she would have been fine if she wasn't making sex tapes with students in her district. She's an elementary teacher so they weren't even in her school. I bet she thought she was in the clear but she should have read the fine print on that one.
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Which makes it even better that she won't be teaching any more.

I wouldn't want her around my elementary aged kids.
 
Game-Biz said:
No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Men can be raped. But, realistically speaking, if these 16 males are not mentally, emotionally, or otherwise in any other way disabled, I don't think we are talking about a brutal crime here, in this specific case. Now, we don't have many details. But assuming, the teacher didn't psychically or emotionally mess with their mind to force them to have sex with her, then I just don't see what the big deal is here. 16 year old males can handle sexual relations, regardless of the state law. Is there a disagreement there? Many other states have made laws that agree with that. I understand that the law in her specific state makes it illegal, but I still don't think it's right, especially in this case.



I'm not explaining my point the best can here, I guess. I'm not saying anything absurd like, "girls don't like sex as much as guys" or anything. And no one should treat rape cases differently based on gender. I don't believe that. But, I think context is very important when dealing with a case such as this. I think age is the most important factor here. I regret bringing up the whole male vs female concerning rape thing, since I don't think that's a real factor here.


Hey, it's not like I came running in here to start spouting that there's "guy rape" and "girl rape." I understand that a man can be raped (even if its "consensual"), just like any woman can be. It's just maddening to me that this woman received this terrible sentence. If the boys were female, and the teacher, male, I would be saying the exact same thing. Age is the factor here. Me bringing up gender was me going on a tangent that didn't have anything to do with this case, and more generally speaking, really nothing to with rape for that matter.
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I think it's more that she used a position of authority to get those boys to have sex with her. Although, I can see what you're saying, at 16, most boys are already stronger than most women will be in their lifetime. But that's not the right way to look at it, I think it's most of a mental thing in this case.
 
So they weren't even her students? It says she taught middle school and these kids were in high school.

How is that an issue of abusing her power?
 
SpinDasher said:
I think it's more that she used a position of authority to get those boys to have sex with her.
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Did she though? Wasn't she just an attractive female who wanted to have sex with these dudes, and that was like... Reason enough for them. Unless I'm missing something, I didn't get the impression she used anything more than her 'beauty' to get these boys to have sex with her.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
Did she though? Wasn't she just an attractive female who wanted to have sex with these dudes, and that was like... Reason enough for them. Unless I'm missing something, I didn't get the impression she used anything more than her 'beauty' to get these boys to have sex with her.
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Supply of alcohol, and a position of authority.
 
Sentry said:
It's not really a male vs female thing. A man who rapes another man is just as bad as a man who rapes a woman. There's a natural dominance in penetrating, not in being penetrated.

Like I said before, is a difference between you forcibly penetrating someone vs forcing someone to penetrate you? I think there is, but that doesn't mean men can't be raped or it isn't a violating experience.

I just think the sentence is too harsh.
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What if a woman rapes a woman? Or what if a woman rapes a man through penetration?
 
the buttom line is they all had fun. If an under aged female rape victim in a similar situation was having the same amount of fun, i would be ok with it. But sadly rape isnt equally as fun when you are a girl on the receiving end.
 
JessicaPadkin said:
You know... a lot of young girls do fantasise about sex too. Sex with adult males. My female friends and I would talk about sex all the time when I was in school. This is absolutely awful, but there was even a girl in my sister's class who would brag to the other girls about having sex with her own uncle, and how much she enjoyed it.
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There was a girl in my high school who would brag about having sex with one of our teachers. Course, she started spreading these rumours after she graduated, thankfully, since they weren't true (to any of our knowledge and she was a bit of liar) but she had a huge crush on the teacher throughout school.

The double standard when it comes to this subject is really ridiculous.

Valhelm said:
What if a woman rapes a woman? Or what if a woman rapes a man through penetration?
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Karla Homolka?
 
Twilight Princess said:
the buttom line is they all had fun. If an under aged female rape victim in a similar situation was having the same amount of fun, i would be ok with it. But sadly rape isnt equally as fun when you are a girl on the receiving end.
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How do you know that? As JessicaPadkin mentioned, male or female 16-year-olds can enjoy rape at the time, even if it will screw them up later in life. (I'm guessing these boys won't develop healthy habits as adults.)

Personally I don't think male rapists and female rapists should be treated any differently. Society has taught us that teenage girls never enjoy sex and that boys are always horny, even though that's not true at all. And personally, I think the notion that 16-year-old buys are nothing but hormone-crazed lunatics incapable of controlling their urges is a bit sexist and really degrading.
 
Dead Man said:
Supply of alcohol, and a position of authority.
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Ah, I didn't see the supplying them with alcohol part.
But still, to me 'abusing authority' would imply that she was forcing them into it with some sort of threat (like she was blackmailing them or threatened to expel them if they didn't perform for her) or had some sort of power over them (physical, though I suppose you could argue she should've had intellectual power over them being an adult and all).
From my understanding, she got these boys to have sex with her because she was an attractive woman willing to have sex with them, not because she was their teacher.
 
Game-Biz said:
It is a touchy subject, but I generally agree. Sexuality is very different between males and females. Just go to chatroulette to see what I mean :P That doesn't mean you can making a ruling based on that alone, but goddamn, I really find it hard to believe that two 16 year old males were really "raped" by this woman. I really just don't see it. Did she tie them down and forcibly abuse them? That would be something that I could see warrants many years in jail. But if the boys wanted to have sex with her as well, then I don't see how this is such a horrfic crime. The biggest crime here, is that the boys would get A's in the class without deserving it.
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I can't believe people still try to argue this in the 21th century.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
Ah, I didn't see the supplying them with alcohol part.
But still, to me 'abusing authority' would imply that she was forcing them into it with some sort of threat (like she was blackmailing them or threatened to expel them if they didn't perform for her) or had some sort of power over them (physical, though I suppose you could argue she should've had intellectual power over them being an adult and all).
From my understanding, she got these boys to have sex with her because she was an attractive woman willing to have sex with them, not because she was their teacher.
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it's a touchy subject but i think i kinda agree with you
 
Unless the two boys were forced into it, I can't see why it's 13 years. I understand that it's a teacher, but it's only sex, it's not like she was rallying them to do something sinister.
 
Neki said:
I can't believe people still try to argue this in the 21th century.
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I've made my argument a bit more clear in my later posts. This post you quoted that I wrote - and I agree - isn't a strong statement, nor a good argument. Bringing in differences in sexuality (whatever those may or may not be) between genders isn't a factor in this particular case, and perhaps never a factor in a rape case, so I regret bringing it to this discussion.
 
Sentry said:
It's not even about that. They very well could have been 'forced', but to me, there is a difference between forcing someone to penetrate you, versus you forcibly penetrating someone.

Both acts are incredibly violating of course, and both should be punishable, but in that regard I think the double standard holds a tiny bit of credence.
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There is no difference. Equal time for equal crimes. If she didn't want to go to prison for 15 years then she wouldn't have gotten 16 year olds dunk and then raped them.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
Ah, I didn't see the supplying them with alcohol part.
But still, to me 'abusing authority' would imply that she was forcing them into it with some sort of threat (like she was blackmailing them or threatened to expel them if they didn't perform for her) or had some sort of power over them (physical, though I suppose you could argue she should've had intellectual power over them being an adult and all).
From my understanding, she got these boys to have sex with her because she was an attractive woman willing to have sex with them, not because she was their teacher.
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Positions of authority are funny like that. You don't have to be explicit about using them to get sex for it to work. That's why these sorts of laws exist.

-Silver- said:
Unless the two boys were forced into it, I can't see why it's 13 years. I understand that it's a teacher, but it's only sex, it's not like she was rallying them to do something sinister.
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Yeah, but sticking your dick in a child is just sex, not rallying them to do something sinister. Right?
 
Valhelm said:
What if a woman rapes a woman? Or what if a woman rapes a man through penetration?
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Obviously there's a difference between a man thrusting his bare 'limb' into a woman/man than a person thrusting a piece of plastic into someone, but it's not much of a difference imo.

Either way the victim feels violated being penetrated. It being 'natural' or not becomes more phycological I think, but that could still make it worse on the victim, but the punishment should be basically the same.
 
The act itself is wrong, but as an Australian I think a 15 year sentence is fucking ridiculous. A guy that stabbed a friend of mine -- injuries that were nearly fatal and he was in hospital for over 6 months, was charged with attempted murder and sentenced to 13.5 years jail here, and I was quite happy that justice was done. This woman would have been but a notch on the bedpost for 16 year old guy, and she's not being released until at least 2026. What the fuck.
 
lexi said:
The act itself is wrong, but as an Australian I think a 15 year sentence is fucking ridiculous. A guy that stabbed a friend of mine -- injuries that were nearly fatal and he was in hospital for over 6 months, was charged with attempted murder and sentenced to 13.5 years jail here, and I was quite happy that justice was done. This woman would have been but a notch on the bedpost for 16 year old guy, and she's not being released until at least 2026. What the fuck.
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I agree the sentence is too high on principle, but I also think it is good that female on male rape is being taken seriously. I don't have a lot of sympathy for her, it's not that hard to not fuck a highschool student.
 
The students were not available for comment as they were too busy being high-fived by their friends while they all said "NIIIIIIIIIICE".
 
lexi said:
The act itself is wrong, but as an Australian I think a 15 year sentence is fucking ridiculous. A guy that stabbed a friend of mine -- injuries that were nearly fatal and he was in hospital for over 6 months, was charged with attempted murder and sentenced to 13.5 years jail here, and I was quite happy that justice was done. This woman would have been but a notch on the bedpost for 16 year old guy, and she's not being released until at least 2026. What the fuck.
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There were two counts, and the way the American prison system works almost ensures that she'll be out long before her sixteen years.

I think that the average prisoner only serves a little over half their sentence?
 
Dead Man said:
I agree the sentence is too high on principle, but I also think it is good that female on male rape is being taken seriously. I don't have a lot of sympathy for her, it's not that hard to not fuck a highschool student.
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I don't see it as 'monstrously tragic', and certainly not something deserving of 15 years. I base this on the fact that I just can't see 16 year old sexually active boys as some sort of vulnerable prey.

Valhelm said:
There were two counts, and the way the American prison system works almost ensures that she'll be out long before her sixteen years.

I think that the average prisoner only serves a little over half their sentence?
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Did you read the part where it says she will have to serve a minimum of 13 years?
 
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