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Team Fortress 2 Official PC Thread. SO. WORTH. IT.
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Why would you do that? said:
Soldier is the guy with the rocket launcher
. As for how to unlock items for your characters, there are 2 ways right now to do it. Each character with unlockable items has character-specific achievements, accomplishing a certain number of those achievements will award a new weapon/item. Or, every X minutes you play (cumulative) a random weapon/item is given to you. I've heard the "X" minutes is 25-30, but I'm not sure, I've never really checked myself. Like many others, I've played quite a bit since this system was rolled out, and so far I've gotten 3-4 of every weapon (at least), but only one hat, the Heavy football helmet.(Rumour/Possible fake from the Steam forums)
RSS screengrab of a pulled TF2 blog update. Soldier, item trading and more!
RSS screengrab of a pulled TF2 blog update. Soldier, item trading and more!
Even if it's fake, there's no reason Soldier wouldn't be next if you ask me. He is the least played of the 3 remaining un-updated classes, and also probably could use the most work just because the others are in good places and pretty easy for anybody to get the hang of and be good with in comparison to soldier.
Soldier is a hard class to peg. In the right hands, they are destructive as both offensive and defensive and a lot of it has to do with timing and a Kritz equipped Medic with balls of granite. Just tonight I pipped my best Medic score to hit 42 points on 39 assists - all of those playing defense with a friend who's an excellent Soldier.
It's true that a lot of new players check them out because of the rockets and such but that's the only thing going for it, and they quickly realise that spamming 4 rockets in a row just doesn't cut it. It should be interesting to see what unlocks the Soldier will receive however, as I deem the Rocket Launcher as the most powerful weapon in the game.
It's true that a lot of new players check them out because of the rockets and such but that's the only thing going for it, and they quickly realise that spamming 4 rockets in a row just doesn't cut it. It should be interesting to see what unlocks the Soldier will receive however, as I deem the Rocket Launcher as the most powerful weapon in the game.
Almost all the class updates have been based around either getting more people to play that class, or making that class better/easier for people to play as. So I think since Soldier is easily less played than engineer or demo, there's no reason they won't update the Soldier next.
I just hope they don't drop the ball as badly as they did with Scout/Heavy. I mean it says something that the only really worthwhile new item for the Heavy is the KGB, and that's just because it has no serious downside compared to the fists. Scout's items are all interesting on paper, but pretty crappy in my experience, although at least FAN isn't that bad.
If they're actually going to give Soldier guns to make him play differently, that's cool, but I kind of wish he could get a new functionality by default, too. Although that's also how I feel about Engineer, and I actually pretty much already have my dream ideas for an Engineer update.
I just hope they don't drop the ball as badly as they did with Scout/Heavy. I mean it says something that the only really worthwhile new item for the Heavy is the KGB, and that's just because it has no serious downside compared to the fists. Scout's items are all interesting on paper, but pretty crappy in my experience, although at least FAN isn't that bad.
If they're actually going to give Soldier guns to make him play differently, that's cool, but I kind of wish he could get a new functionality by default, too. Although that's also how I feel about Engineer, and I actually pretty much already have my dream ideas for an Engineer update.
The Soldier's Rocket Launcher is an absolute beast of a weapon, but I do feel that there should be an alternative of some sort. If a Demo gets bored of using his Grenade Launcher constantly, his Sticky Bomb Launcher cam fill that sort of active weapon role well enough. Same sort of thing with the Sniper and his Rifle and Huntsman.
An item or two that allow a Soldier to play differently than he would with the Rockets would be a nice addition.
An item or two that allow a Soldier to play differently than he would with the Rockets would be a nice addition.
I'm just meaning Soldier is least popular out of those 3, because all 3 are pretty popular classes. But of those 3 there are times when a team might not have a Soldier, but they will have a Demo or Engineer. And in terms of the Valve tf2 stats, it supports what I'm saying (actually Soldier is lower than I thought; only above Scout and Heavy).Tintin said:
http://steampowered.com/status/tf2/tf2_stats.php
firex said:
Aha yes sorry, I misinterpreted what you said, I thought you meant out of all 9 classes :lol
But yeah, looking forward to whatever class update comes, would love some new maps to play atm as I play no customs and the same old maps are starting to get a bit familiar
Then again I've disliked alot of the maps Vavle have introduced through class updates recently so
Looking back on it, I really hope Valve does something for the Scout/Heavy again. They need to retool some of their stuff. Sandman was overpowered and retarded when it first came out (essentially if you got hit by Sandman, you were dead at any range) but the energy drink has always sucked, and like I said, I grinded achievements for the first 2 Heavy unlocks and neither one were any good. Sandvich is funny and that's about it, and even with the damage buff to Natascha, it's just too situational. It's basically good for spy checking some people since it will slow disguised spies, but I seriously don't find it useful in any other situation. And the whole Heavy update was supposed to make him less Medic dependent, but he sucks without a Medic compared to the other classes.
I just thought I'd drop in to say how much I love playing Spy with Cloak and Dagger. The Dead Ringer was cool for a little while but people are generally aware of it, especially because the fake death occurs on the first hit every time... so if you're not cloaked, they shoot at you and you "die" immediately, they assume you're using the Dead Ringer, and they're right.
Anyway, Cloak and Dagger gives me the ultimate stealth experience in video gaming. Obviously not in the "realistic" sense, but in a very exciting way that's even better imo.
Playing as Spy with Cloak and Dagger on 2Fort with 32 players is pure exhilaration. Nothing like being in the enemy base watching as enemy after enemy run right by you, not knowing if they are randomly going to spycheck your position.
Anyone else in love with this role in TF2?
Anyway, Cloak and Dagger gives me the ultimate stealth experience in video gaming. Obviously not in the "realistic" sense, but in a very exciting way that's even better imo.
Playing as Spy with Cloak and Dagger on 2Fort with 32 players is pure exhilaration. Nothing like being in the enemy base watching as enemy after enemy run right by you, not knowing if they are randomly going to spycheck your position.
Anyone else in love with this role in TF2?
Azure Dream
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firex said:
I wanted to like Bonk, but there's so few situations you can coordinate to make it useful with all the downfalls it has. Bonk needs its own buff, but an alternative would be nice too. The idea I liked before was something to tag engineer builds and certain foes with an outline Left 4 Dead style, so they could be spotted even through walls for a short period of time. Have the Scout actually scouting the battlefield.
One thing I'm really hoping they do is a secondary Spy update when the Engineer update hits. The watches were cool, but only the Dead Ringer was really imaginative. The Ambassador seemed rushed and poorly conceived, making Spies into cloaking Snipers until they nerfed the hell out of it and fixed half a dozen major glitches with hit tracking. And with no alternatives for the Sapper, Disguise Kit, or Butterfly Knife, it was kind of underwhelming if that's it.
That kind of stealth capability made me love the Spy. It's so much fun being the sneaky bastard, inching past an entire team and then cycling around in a thousand hiding spots so that the people who come looking for you specifically have a hard time of it. You can be a mighty thorn in the Engineers' sides in this way.dojokun said:
2Fort has dozens of these hiding spots, some of them no longer viable (under the courtyard stairs), others nearly foolproof (right next to the spiral staircase lower exit, the intel desk, the "round" corners, etc).
Gully State
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firex said:
Natascha is worthless and I cringe every time I see a Heavy use it. The sandvich though actually isn't useless. I can't count how many times it's saved my ass from being burned to death. I would like to see the medic get some more updates or even a compelling mechanic to entice people to play medic more.
Gully State said:
But the sound is awesome!
For me the Spy update was probably the worst so far. The new gun is the only thing I use, but most of the time it is only useful because of that damn Razorback.
Kulock said:
I find it pretty useful. Maybe not to get Sentries fire at you, but it still is good to get past them and harass the opposing spawn point.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Natasha used to be worthless. At least now (after numerous damage tweaks) it can directly compete against Sasha Heavies if you approach them from a blind spot, whereas before a Natasha Heavy couldn't even beat a Sasha Heavy even if he had two medics backing him up.Gully State said:
"As always, we're looking closely at how we can improve performance across the board for our loyal players, so as a result, the forthcoming update will bring with our largest collection of hotfixes, mechanic overhauls and engine optimizations to date. The combined effect of these fairly major changes to how you interact with both the game world and other users should help make playing Team Fortress 2 a safer, more accessible experience for everyone."
I hope that means that lag deaths will go away for the most part. Though, it looks like it may be fake. oh well.
I hope that means that lag deaths will go away for the most part. Though, it looks like it may be fake. oh well.
Giganticus
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Natascha Heavy slowing you down? Harshing your buzz? Or maybe you're just coming down off a can of refreshing bonk!
Either way, when you're feeling slow, just make a 45 degree turn, hold strafe and forward at the same time, and presto! back to normal!
make heavies cry and shock the world with your Bonk with no withdrawal! Incredible!
Either way, when you're feeling slow, just make a 45 degree turn, hold strafe and forward at the same time, and presto! back to normal!
make heavies cry and shock the world with your Bonk with no withdrawal! Incredible!
benjipwns
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Robin says it's a fake. (Although maybe that's an elaborate fake?!?)
Although the last entry is both by the Soldier and mentions "Hill defense." Which is probably where the guy got the idea?
Although the last entry is both by the Soldier and mentions "Hill defense." Which is probably where the guy got the idea?
As far as engineer stuff goes, I would like to see the following:
base upgrade - New sentry added that you can change in the loadout menu. It would be an assault sentry that builds fast but sits somewhere around level 2 sentries on offensive power, and can't be upgraded. It should look way different from the regular sentry, and sound different, so I kind of think it should fire a goofy 50s sci-fi style laser, or something non-bullet/rocket related. Maybe a flamethrower, as that wouldn't fuck up spies unless they approach it un-cloaked or disguised as their own team, but then it's going to be easily countered by out-ranging it.
unlocks:
nailgun - Replaces shotgun, works kind of like the syringe gun, and whoever you kill drops more metal that only you can get by running over their corpse.
super-slick spray - Replaces pistol, can be sprayed on all your buildings to make a sapper fall off and detonate harmlessly. This causes the spy to have to wait a few seconds before his sapper can be used again, and only stops the sapper once. Can also be used like jarate to create slick spots. Downside is this thing is flammable so your buildings will catch fire/slick spots can catch fire from either explosives or flamethrower/flare gun (enemy only).
welding torch - Replaces wrench/pistol (not really sure which it should replace), used to repair/upgrade buildings and destroy sappers, it can also give them a temporary health boost like being overhealed, and will set disguised spies on fire. Downsides are conflicting with the spray, doesn't repair as fast as the wrench or in big chunks, so it might use less metal in one hit but it won't protect a building. Overhealing would only be about 25% extra health for buildings instead of 50% bonus health like medics get.
I don't know, maybe some of these would be overpowered but I would kill for at least 1) a new assault sentry that you don't need to hide behind and whack with the wrench, to support playing a mobile engineer, and 2) a nailgun or some other kind of semi-auto weapon to replace the shotgun, even if it's weak. The main thing with the welding torch is they should get some kind of anti-spy upgrade (even if I think in a lot of cases, well-fortified engineers are nearly unassailable by spies anyway) and it would let someone else easily spycheck, and it would also maybe provide a little easier to sustain repairing, without repairing huge chunks of health at once. Honestly I wouldn't mind it replacing the wrench, so engineers have to choose between spray/wrench or pistol/torch with their loadout.
base upgrade - New sentry added that you can change in the loadout menu. It would be an assault sentry that builds fast but sits somewhere around level 2 sentries on offensive power, and can't be upgraded. It should look way different from the regular sentry, and sound different, so I kind of think it should fire a goofy 50s sci-fi style laser, or something non-bullet/rocket related. Maybe a flamethrower, as that wouldn't fuck up spies unless they approach it un-cloaked or disguised as their own team, but then it's going to be easily countered by out-ranging it.
unlocks:
nailgun - Replaces shotgun, works kind of like the syringe gun, and whoever you kill drops more metal that only you can get by running over their corpse.
super-slick spray - Replaces pistol, can be sprayed on all your buildings to make a sapper fall off and detonate harmlessly. This causes the spy to have to wait a few seconds before his sapper can be used again, and only stops the sapper once. Can also be used like jarate to create slick spots. Downside is this thing is flammable so your buildings will catch fire/slick spots can catch fire from either explosives or flamethrower/flare gun (enemy only).
welding torch - Replaces wrench/pistol (not really sure which it should replace), used to repair/upgrade buildings and destroy sappers, it can also give them a temporary health boost like being overhealed, and will set disguised spies on fire. Downsides are conflicting with the spray, doesn't repair as fast as the wrench or in big chunks, so it might use less metal in one hit but it won't protect a building. Overhealing would only be about 25% extra health for buildings instead of 50% bonus health like medics get.
I don't know, maybe some of these would be overpowered but I would kill for at least 1) a new assault sentry that you don't need to hide behind and whack with the wrench, to support playing a mobile engineer, and 2) a nailgun or some other kind of semi-auto weapon to replace the shotgun, even if it's weak. The main thing with the welding torch is they should get some kind of anti-spy upgrade (even if I think in a lot of cases, well-fortified engineers are nearly unassailable by spies anyway) and it would let someone else easily spycheck, and it would also maybe provide a little easier to sustain repairing, without repairing huge chunks of health at once. Honestly I wouldn't mind it replacing the wrench, so engineers have to choose between spray/wrench or pistol/torch with their loadout.
Dark Stalkers
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Anyone seen this video yet?
dojokun said:
While it's riskier, you can work around that a bit by activating the Dead Ringer after you take the first hit. You'll end up with less health, and there's always the chance of being taken out before you can activate it, but it does look more convincing than dropping dead from a single pistol shot.
Of course, that still doesn't help with the problem of the uncloaking sound. The loud, distinct sound that gets made when you uncloak pretty much announces your presence to everybody in the area.
Knightfall
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Grenade Launcher > Rocket Launcherspeedpop said:
BigKaboom2
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Knightfall said:
Gully State
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I'm convinced that TF2 isn't just a game, it's a freakin $20 platform. I just played through my first arena match and it plays like an entirely different game.
Awesome video, http://tinyurl.com/ld4w2t shows the two intros side by side.
Suitcase Test
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Aw man.. I finally get a hat and it's the Demoman's Fro. Sure, it's awesome but I never EVER play demoman.
I'd also like some new Engi weapons... A lvl 4 sentry or a different kind would be amazing!
I'd also like some new Engi weapons... A lvl 4 sentry or a different kind would be amazing!
Visualante
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Insatlled Windows 7, ran Steam from my old XP partition. Says I can't connect to a server in TF2 because Steam is not running apparently.
Do I have to download and install Steam on my 7 partition to get into a game? Major bummer if so- the amount of downloads from now to way back with the retail disc will take a week.
Do I have to download and install Steam on my 7 partition to get into a game? Major bummer if so- the amount of downloads from now to way back with the retail disc will take a week.
Suitcase Test
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I *think* (correct me if I'm wrong!) that you can just install Steam on W7 and then copy all the game files from the old partition to the new one.Visualante said:
It worked on my Linux partition, anyway. I just installed Steam and copied everything in the "steamapps" folder. That way you won't have to download everything.
Visualante
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You can also just click Steam from the D: drive. Not a long term solution but it'll do.
Doesn't work for Ghostbusters of Mirror's Edge yet. GTA IV was fine.
Doesn't work for Ghostbusters of Mirror's Edge yet. GTA IV was fine.
If you don't mind letting your computer idle for a while, you can just make a backup file of all your Steam games. I store mine on my permanent data partition. This way if I reinstall Windows, I just click on the file and have it install on whatever partition I've just reinstalled Windows on.
crimsonheadGCN
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Can anyone tell me what causes this visual effect?
http://i28.tinypic.com/2llms2b.jpg
It's a yellow tint with objects becoming wavy. It's weird and kinda annoying. Don't know what does though, since I've not played this game in a year and half.
http://i28.tinypic.com/2llms2b.jpg
It's a yellow tint with objects becoming wavy. It's weird and kinda annoying. Don't know what does though, since I've not played this game in a year and half.
crimsonheadGCN
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Vlad said:
Thanks.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Umm... peecrimsonheadGCN said:
Just because I find it somewhat amusing that you couldn't figure it out, also realize that it's an opponent's jarate. Someone on your own team splashing you (like say, to put out fires), won't cause the visual effect. And then soon you'll come to learn the power of mini-crits.
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