[TechPowerUp] AMD FSR 2.0 Quality & Performance Review - The DLSS Killer
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Congrats to AMD. Now hopefully we'll get this for Steam Deck soon.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Whoa, is this good news for consoles?
Edit: I finished reading article... It is good for consoles.
Edit: I finished reading article... It is good for consoles.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
impressive. i wanna see it in action with my own eyes.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
How is it a killer when in all of their comparisons DLSS has better performance gain. The word killer is just a clickbait shit. It's good, but doesnt kill anything. If anything DLSS is still ahead of it and fuck knows what nvidia are cooking up next.
Topher
Identifies as young
Isn't it open source? That makes it good news for everyone. Including Nvidia.
Jose92
[Membe
It is a killer because it is open source, doesn't require propriety hardware cores, works on most modern gpus, and most importantly it could mean that it could be ported to consoles.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
at the very least at least you have this option when a PC game goes down the dark road of being AMD sponsored
nominedomine
Banned
"AMD has achieved the unthinkable", they just did what is expected, like what happens every time.
People always think NVidia has some magical technology and it's never the case. Same thing happened to Gsync/FreeSync not that long ago.
People always think NVidia has some magical technology and it's never the case. Same thing happened to Gsync/FreeSync not that long ago.
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Is this hurts your fanboy feelings so much?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yep I can use FSR on games on my nvidia card without problems, I hope RPCs would implement fsr 2.0 as soon as they can ecause I feel this would be wonderful for emulators.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Plantoid
Member
Already confirmed for XsX, dunno about ps5
DF comparison of deathloop will be a bloodbath
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Skifi28
Member
I disagree. Sure, you can use it with your nvidia gpu as a user, but it's a huge blow for nvidia itself as they just lost a huge advantage that made their cards more desirable than the competition.
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Killer8
Member
Yes, it's coming to Xbox as well (and likely PS5 too), so consoles can save on performance using this. I would like to see a 60fps and even 120fps mode in more games when using this, since the performance mode can almost double the framerate in some cases. Ultra performance mode has even bigger gains on top of that.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I thought so but didn't want to make any unsubstantiated statements. I just actually got through reading the article. This can potentially be huge if the claims are true.
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MarkMe2525
Banned
Open source under a MIT license, so Sony can modify and incorporate into their development stack.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
To whom it may fucking concern,
Please add this to fucking Horizon FW.
Thanks,
SaltySnake
Please add this to fucking Horizon FW.
Thanks,
SaltySnake
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daveonezero
Banned
That new Asus Zephyrs G14 was looking mighty fine. Now it looks even better. Except when it comes to RT.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
There's already at least 1 game using fsr on ps5, so confirmed since last year...the link
Edit: Reading again, it was enven the first console game having fsr even though it is early access.Maybe there are more games with it on ps5/xbox.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Maybe. You just know that this will be the next frontier for fanboys to fight over after is PS5 true RDNA 2.0? Does PS5 truly have RDNA 2.0 ray tracing? Does PS5 truly have VRR? VRS? ML? VD?
And you just know Sony will let everyone get themselves banned for the next however long it takes for them to add FSR 2.0 support to their console.
Good news? Not for us. Not for the mods. At least not for a while.
Killer8
Member
This will be a major game changer on consoles. We could be seeing 30fps games become 60fps thanks to one software tool - no new PS5 Pro needed.
I don't expect it to be flawless, but when you also factor in VRR on both consoles, the experience should be mostly imperceptible from a native 4K 60fps.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Hopefully the misinformation is squashed quickly in that case. Though I do imagine it won't stop some from trying.
Negotiator101
Member
This is all software based right? Nothing to do with specific hardware?
Negotiator101
Member
No.
This will be a major game changer on consoles. We could be seeing 30fps games become 60fps thanks to one software tool - no new PS5 Pro needed.
I don't expect it to be flawless, but when you also factor in VRR on both consoles, the experience should be mostly imperceptible from a native 4K 60fps.
MarkMe2525
Banned
On AMD it's Polaris and later. They mentioned a 1080 on Nvidia side. I assume 1070 and 1060 are compatible as well.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yep dlss was the main reason I chose Nvidia for my GPU and now it seems that everybody will be doing it and it is awesome.Way more interesting than raytracing or anything(especially in their respective 2.0 iteration).
This will be a major game changer on consoles. We could be seeing 30fps games become 60fps thanks to one software tool - no new PS5 Pro needed.
I don't expect it to be flawless, but when you also factor in VRR on both consoles, the experience should be mostly imperceptible from a native 4K 60fps.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
This will run even on last-gen Polaris consoles like PS4 Pro and X1X, so of course it will work on PS5, XSX, and XSS.
Topher
Identifies as young
Good point
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Temporal upscaling is already fairly prevalent on consoles. I mean Unreal Engine / Unity both have their own TAAU implementations even.
So it's gonna be down to how those compare to FSR 2.0, not how DLSS compares to it, whether it'll get much traction on consoles.
My guess is.. companies will still largely use their own techniques on consoles, but we'll see.
So it's gonna be down to how those compare to FSR 2.0, not how DLSS compares to it, whether it'll get much traction on consoles.
My guess is.. companies will still largely use their own techniques on consoles, but we'll see.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I own a series s myself and enjoy it as a secondary console. I wouldn't worry too much what others think of it.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Lol, I knew you'd be here. Was playing HFW the other day and was wondering why a skilled dev team such as Guerrilla couldn't/ wouldn't take Insomniac and Bluepoint approach with temporal injection. Such a strange miss by an uber competent team.
Which part of comment do you disagree with and why?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
XSS games are already heavily using temporal upscaling techniques.
We really will have to wait and see if FSR 2.0 outdoes those for this to matter.
If it does matter it's unlikely to be some huge difference.. the performance is from using lowered internal resolutions and games are already doing that.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
HFW uses a TAAU implementation.. which is what FSR 2.0 is...
Maybe.. you.. strange missed it.
I'm gonna have to do my broken record routine about FSR 2.0 but I have a feeling a year from now we'll still see endless posts of people saying "add it to this game that already has TAAU" even if FSR 2.0 isn't outdoing other TAAU implementations.
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MightySquirrel
Banned
I thought it looked pretty great in still images, but then he stated moving....
Well hopefully 'DLSS killer' will not be flicker galore by version 2,3.
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It'll work on it but it's up to the developer to integrate it. It won't be a system wide thing like fsr 1 and vrs recently introduced.
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nominedomine
Banned
What will change? This frees devs to do even more on the Series X/PS5 as well, it will have a bigger impact on those consoles if anything since they work with much higher resolutions already.
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winjer
Member
It's better than what I was expecting. It basically matches DLSS 2.3 in image quality.
It doesn't require tensor units, meaning it can run on a lot of GPUs from previous years, from all vendors. And that includes consoles.
Performance is a few fps slower than DLSS, but it still provides a big performance improvement.
AMD is a bit late to the party, but managed to make a good showing.
It doesn't require tensor units, meaning it can run on a lot of GPUs from previous years, from all vendors. And that includes consoles.
Performance is a few fps slower than DLSS, but it still provides a big performance improvement.
AMD is a bit late to the party, but managed to make a good showing.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
This being open source is real killer, because even nVidia engineers could commit shit to repo. They got to FSR 2.0 mainly due to power of being open source.
01011001
Banned
I will believe it when I see it. FSR1.0 was also hyped up by some outlets and was... beyond useless
it all comes down to how it looks in motion, that's where the issues will show and that's where DLSS so far was ahead of the pack, including TSR which also looked really close in still images but as soon as you see movement that quickly changed
edit: is this already out btw? if so I'll test it right away actually
it all comes down to how it looks in motion, that's where the issues will show and that's where DLSS so far was ahead of the pack, including TSR which also looked really close in still images but as soon as you see movement that quickly changed
edit: is this already out btw? if so I'll test it right away actually
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I'm not an expert on motion vectors, so I'll remain hopeful they can implement it. FSR also requires devs to implement it, but Valve gets around that because they're using a compatibility layer.
Side note: VRS on Deck really isn't VRS, it's just half-rate shading. Maybe it's lacking the pertinent info to do actual VRS and that's what will prohibit proper FSR 2 as well? I'm not even sure Deck can do VRS *edit* without using Windows. I tried it in Riftbreaker and it didn't work.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
If I want to make 3D rendering/modeling Is there any benefit to going with AMD, or Nvidia still is the best option?
01011001
Banned
will you use raytracing? if the answer is yes then Nvidia is basically 1 generation ahead in terms of performance
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Nvidia is always first though.