Tecmo to Sony: Screw you and the PS3!

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Duckhuntdog

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"The CPU was developed for a next-generation game machine, but the hardware is conceived by an appliance manufacturer," he said. Nakamura conjectured that Sony's quest to conquer the entire home entertainment environment might be interfering with the goal of designing a game machine -- "I feel that they're probably trying to use games as a way to increase their power in the home appliance industry."


Well we know one developer that probably won't be first in line for PS3 dev kits.
 
Duckhuntdog said:
"I feel that they're probably trying to use games as a way to increase their power in the home appliance industry."
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No shit Sherlock! Now take a guess what MS is doing!
 
a) old.
b) Sony is already trying to leverage the playstation with the rest of their lines unlike Microsoft with Xbox

mumu said:
No shit Sherlock! Now take a guess what MS is doing!
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Trying to make their brandname a more trusted, household name.
 
DopeyFish said:
a) old.
b) Sony is already trying to leverage the playstation with the rest of their lines unlike Microsoft with Xbox



Trying to make their brandname a more trusted, household name.
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and take over living room entertainment. (OMG *shock* just like Sony!)
 
Passport is used to connect XBL, search engines, email and back accounts ... just so MS can sell more xboxs. It is true.
 
DopeyFish said:
Trying to make their brandname a more trusted, household name.
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So, a company that makes the majority of its billions selling enterprise software solutions to big businesses wants to earn the trust and mindshare of its customers... by developing a video game system?
 
mashoutposse said:
So, a company that makes the majority of its billions selling enterprise software solutions to big businesses wants to earn the trust and mindshare of its customers... by developing a video game system?
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They make consumer software as well.
 
I actually sort of agree with the guy.
Just like with the PSP. As a pure gaming device I feel it's inferior to the DS. Instead of having more gaming-specific features. It plays DVD movies, which is totally unrelated.
 
Dopeyfish give silly fish a poor name.

MS are a SW company. Why do they need a piece of HW not even close to their core compentencies?


a) To get into the home enterntainment business?

b) To make MS Office better?

c) To improve their windows software?

d) To lose money for tax purposes?


I suspect (a) is the answer here. As soes everybody else except dopeyfish.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
This excuse is about as relevant as Nintendo in today's gaming market.



Somebody, take care of my light work. :P
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I think it's still relevant. If the sole purpose of the isn't to play games then they end up making compromises to accomodate the other features. That's when you end up with a 2 hour battery life :p Or in the PS2's case it was "jaggies".
 
seismologist said:
I actually sort of agree with the guy.
Just like with the PSP. As a pure gaming device I feel it's inferior to the DS. Instead of having more gaming-specific features. It plays DVD movies, which is totally unrelated.
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um, he (and you) would have a point if Microsoft didn't do the exact same thing. Handhelds are discounted since Microsoft doesn't appear to have an interest in them, yet (which may further underline their goal of grabbing the home entertainment market).

PS2 and PSP play music and movies, sure, but - aren't we forgetting the good old Xbox?
 
xsarien said:
Their criticism aside, Tecmo desperately needs to get over themselves.
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itagaki350.jpg


"This is why i'm the master and you're not"
 
Yeah, there's the guy who said he could make Pikmin 2 better than Nintendo. Hey Itagaki, Pikmin 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You.
 
seanoff said:
Dopeyfish give silly fish a poor name.

MS are a SW company. Why do they need a piece of HW not even close to their core compentencies?


a) To get into the home enterntainment business?

b) To make MS Office better?

c) To improve their windows software?

d) To lose money for tax purposes?


I suspect (a) is the answer here. As soes everybody else except dopeyfish.
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According to their S-10 filing when all this started the answer is e) diversification by expanding into new markets.
 
"The CPU was developed for a next-generation game machine, but the hardware is conceived by an appliance manufacturer," he said. Nakamura conjectured that Sony's quest to conquer the entire home entertainment environment might be interfering with the goal of designing a game machine -- "I feel that they're probably trying to use games as a way to increase their power in the home appliance industry."
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Its surely the other way round. Instead of PlayStation being affected by the CE side, its more likely that the CE side will be affected by PlayStation.

eg, Playstation chips could theoretically replace the Wega Engine in their TVs, and be built into their 'normal' Blur Ray players and recorders.
 
I would like to see Tecmo in bad financial conditions just to see how they would change their jacket again.
WTF do they think they are ? They are a subpar developer that just because is the main japanese developer of a system think that they have some kind of voice in the industry.
 
They're hardly a sub-par developer, IMO. And, yes, they have strong enough a voice to incite the kind of words hurled at them in this thread and all over the internet...if they didn't have much of an influence, this thread wouldn't exist.
 
Compared to which company ?
Sure they have more influence and voice than a small developer like Crawfish was (for instance) but do they have more voice than Capcom, Konami, Sega, Square, Namco or even Bandai ?
All of these companies crush Tecmo sales wise, financially wise and quality wise in their games.
Tecmo is like the new RARE. Super-polished games that last...and last...and last...



I would respect Tecmo much more if they did more inteligent declarations. Well...no bother...that's going to damage them, not me.
 
Obviously, you care enough to wish them to experience dire financial difficulties over their statements...which, IMO, are not really all that negative about PS3. The statements voice concern over the hardware's final quality based on their early assessment of information given to them by Sony. I see no bashing. Maybe you should re-read that article.
 
LOL, that would be hillarious if Kutaragi denied PSP development to Tecmo.

Tecmo's had a nice little run with the XBox, but much like Acclaim who garnered some nice sales by supporting the N64 primarily, they better hope the wheels don't fall off the bus as the next-gen trends evolve/change.

There aren't too many third parties that have crossed Sony and gone on to not regret it.
 
Sony should dominate this industry.

What have they done that's so bad?

Software prices have actually gone down during their era of dominance, which is pretty unbelievable, when you consider they don't have a ton of incenctive to do it. They have by far the best value line of software, despite having the least need for it.

The value inherint to hardware has gone way up, when people looked at the PS2 specs they said "no way can Sony sell that for $300" with the DVD playback. Again same thing with the ridiculously low PSP price point.

The only reason Microsoft is bundling the XBox like there's no tomorrow is because they desperate to keep pace (ditto for Nintendo). It's Sony that's driving all these incredible hardware deals.

If MS (or Nintendo) ever overtook Sony, I bet all that sh-t would come to a stop pretty damn quickly.

Microsoft is big enough, they don't need the game market. Every computer basically has Windows on it, they're just scared sh-tless that (gasp!) people's TVs may not have Windows on them either.
 
soundwave05 said:
Sony should dominate this industry.

What have they done that's so bad?

Software prices have actually gone down during their era of dominance, which is pretty unbelievable, when you consider they don't have a ton of incenctive to do it. They have by far the best value line of software, despite having the least need for it.

The value inherint to hardware has gone way up, when people looked at the PS2 specs they said "no way can Sony sell that for $300" with the DVD playback. Again same thing with the ridiculously low PSP price point.

The only reason Microsoft is bundling the XBox like there's no tomorrow is because they desperate to keep pace (ditto for Nintendo). It's Sony that's driving all these incredible hardware deals.

If MS (or Nintendo) ever overtook Sony, I bet all that sh-t would come to a stop pretty damn quickly.

Microsoft is big enough, they don't need the game market. Every computer basically has Windows on it, they're just scared sh-tless that (gasp!) people's TVs may not have Windows on them either.
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but, but, but they killed Sega!!!! :lol

I pretty much completely agree
 
Sega killed Sega from years of stupid business moves.

The reason why Playstation is so unique is because it's really not even a "Sony" product (one that the "old guard" at Sony was against), it's Kutaragi's vision, and Kutaragi is a maverick. He pushes the envelope, Nintendo is too traditional and Microsoft, their game division is just another cog in the company line. Both Nintendo and Microsoft IMO also show a disturbing trend to abuse their position as a market leader in various markets.
 
So, you're saying that it's okay for a console maker to justify the denial of third party license to a publisher/developer because they voiced concern over future hardware?

No, I don't think Sony should dominate this industry. Competition should settle this (again) next generation. No one should have the lock on control in this industry.

Sony's domination hasn't caused software prices to drop; competition has.

Competition has also led to the inclusion of more features for less in consoles and lower prices (than expected) in new handhelds.

Everything else you said is your own opinion, I suppose.
 
Sony's domination hasn't caused software prices to drop; competition has.

Competetion from what?

Neither the GameCube or XBox are on pace to sell on par with the N64, if anything Sony's competition became more fragmented this generation.

If anything Sony has no reason to really offer any type of value line on software. They could just sit back in their market dominant position (which is likely what Nintendo or MS would do if they were in the same situation) and maybe even raise software prices.

That's what makes Sony unique. Say what you want, but even after almost 10 years of sustained dominance, they still show an uncanny hunger to be in tune with the market and keep pushing the envelope.

I think Playstation 3 is only going to continue that and likely will be the market leader again.

And really, I'm a Nintendo fan, but that's probably what's best for the industry any way. Sony is the "just right" bowl of porridge, Nintendo and Microsoft get too crazy when given too much power.
 
soundwave05 said:
Competetion from what?
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Microsoft, Sega, Nintendo...that's what. It doesn't matter that the margin of 'victory' seems so large. What matters is that they had pressure from alternatives in the market. If you firmly believe that Sony would still be so great in their position without their rivals, no matter how far behind they might be, I've said all that I'm going to on the subject with you, then. You clearly lack an understanding of how this business (or any other) works.
 
Competition ended with SEGA, SNK and soon Nintendo...Competition is great but not when your enemies are BIG corporations.
And I consider that Nintendo's disgrace comes from Microsoft and not Sony. I never thought GC would steal PS2 a shit...but at least I had in mind a 2nd place system with great 3rd party support. MS just splitted the userbases even more which just damaged the weakest one...in this case Nintendo.
 
What I'm saying is Sony has had chances to abuse their position of power, and really haven't done so for their 9 years or so of dominance. They've stayed on point and actually even continued to improve in a lot of different areas.

I don't believe Nintendo or Microsoft given the same dominant position would be so generous with gamers.

They are IMO the right company to lead this industry.
 
The difference is that Sony hasn't been able to 'abuse' their power quite as much as they might be able to, thanks to competition. If the fight wasn't so serious every generation, Sony would probably be on the same shit list you place MS and Nintendo.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
The difference is that Sony hasn't been able to 'abuse' their power quite as much as they might be able to, thanks to competition. If the fight wasn't so serious every generation, Sony would probably be on the same shit list you place MS and Nintendo.
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Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not convinced if the console score this generation was ...

70 million XBox
16 million PS2
15 million GameCube

or

70 million GameCube
16 million PS2
15 million XBox

That Nintendo or MS would be quite as "even headed" as Sony remains. I could even see Nintendo or Microsoft raising software prices and/or raising third party licensing fees in such a position to squeeze more profit. Under Sony, not only have they kept median software prices the same ... they've actually pushed them down (despite never seriously being threatened ala the SNES/Genesis war) nor have they abused their leadership position to bully third parties.
 
"That Nintendo or MS would be quite as "even headed" as Sony remains. I could even see Nintendo or Microsoft raising software prices and/or raising third party licensing fees in such a position to squeeze more profit."

Objection your honour - that charge is totally unfounded.
 
i'm still waiting for the massive price hike for Xbox live which was definitely going to happen...
 
soundwave05 said:
I don't believe Nintendo or Microsoft given the same dominant position would be so generous with gamers.

They are IMO the right company to lead this industry.
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I guess it's true. The price of Windows has been doubling every year!
 
So you honestly think Nintendo or Microsoft given the position Sony has now would be as sharp as Sony is?

You don't have any concerns that they would abuse their power?

I think that's a gross misunderstanding of the corporate culture at both of those companies.

BTW, I do feel Windows is grossly overpriced.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
The difference is that Sony hasn't been able to 'abuse' their power quite as much as they might be able to, thanks to competition. If the fight wasn't so serious every generation, Sony would probably be on the same shit list you place MS and Nintendo.
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But maybe thats how they've 'stayed in power'? By not abusing it.
 
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