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Do we have measured input lag yet for the A1E other than that French review?
While I agree, having another resource reviewing is always good. HDTVtest has really uped their video production while always having a great written review.
He sites I use mainly are rtings, AVS, AV, and HDTVtest. Sometimes flatpanelshd but I appreciate all of them
So the guy is gaming with MotionFlow on?
"no perceivable lag input (probably if you are a pro gamer you will but you wouldn't be playing competitively on a television you'd be on a 120hz TN panel)"
K sure.
The 55A1E's processing also delivers superior motion handling to not just LG's OLED TVs but actually any other TVs period. The ability of its various motion settings - especially True Cinema and Standard - to reduce judder without causing significant unwanted side effects or making the image look unnaturally fluid is almost uncanny.
It's not just your impression of motion across the screen and during camera pans that benefits from this motion performance either; the enhanced motion clarity and fluidity also means the beautiful crispness associated with native 4K screens remains intact even during the most action-packed sequences.
LG has delivered palpable color improvements with its latest OLED TVs, yet in most ways colors are handled better still by the 55A1E. Sony's Triluminos processing system continues to take some beating, combining gorgeously rich saturations with some exceptionally deft color tone handling.
The 55A1E also improves on LG's OLED TVs when it comes to handling HD-resolution images. As noted earlier, Sony's X1 Extreme chipset applies two separate databases to its upscaling process, and the result is simply the most detailed, stable, richly colored but also noiseless upscaled HD pictures I've seen on an OLED TV. In fact, I'd even say they look better than those of the Z9D sets, perhaps because OLED's characteristics are more naturally suited to the standard dynamic range luminance ranges associated with HD sources.
One last slight picture disappointment regards the 55A1E's input lag (the time it takes to render image data). I measured it at around 40ms when using both the HDR and SDR game modes - a solid rather than exemplary figure. It's worth noting, too, that the input lag cycles, varying from as low as just under 10ms to as high as 51ms - and the 51ms figures are in the majority.
Forbes Review is up for the Sony A1E
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/04/19/sony-xbr-55a1e-xd-55a1e-a1e-4k-oled-tv-review-where-brains-and-beauty-meet/#6f73fd328da7
Return of the king.
Seems the biggest issues is that it might not get quite as bright as the LG E7's by about 100 NITS and the input lag at 40ms.
Forbes Review is up for the Sony A1E
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/04/19/sony-xbr-55a1e-xd-55a1e-a1e-4k-oled-tv-review-where-brains-and-beauty-meet/#6f73fd328da7
Return of the king.
Seems the biggest issues is that it might not get quite as bright as the LG E7's by about 100 NITS and the input lag at 40ms.
Here's what he says specifically about the lag
I can't seem to find any numbers about input latency with motion handling/improvement/etc enabled nor did I see any number about colour accuracy.Forbes Review is up for the Sony A1E
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/04/19/sony-xbr-55a1e-xd-55a1e-a1e-4k-oled-tv-review-where-brains-and-beauty-meet/#6f73fd328da7
Return of the king.
Seems the biggest issues is that it might not get quite as bright as the LG E7's by about 100 NITS and the input lag at 40ms.
Here's what he says specifically about the lag
Seems like the usual "Motion Flow" that I've had on previous TVs including Sony.
Doesn't this always introduce artifacts? It's never looked natural to me.
I just need the real reviews already for this thing.
So the guy is gaming with MotionFlow on?
"no perceivable lag input (probably if you are a pro gamer you will but you wouldn't be playing competitively on a television you'd be on a 120hz TN panel)"
K sure.
While BFI would be nice, thankfully, I'm not that bothered by motion as others, so lower input lag is more important to me.
So this year's Sony OLED is not for me, unfortunately. The 21 ms of the 2017 LG OLED's offer a clear advantage to me.
I think the custom thing he has on with clearness to high is different than interpolation associated with MotionFlow.
20ish would be real nice, but the 40ms or so on my VT60 isn't bad.
I really wonder how many of us could tell the difference between 20ms and 40ms in a blind test.
I'm not criticising their video reviews or summaries or whatever they are, just that Canada demo loop they always play on the TVs. There's barely any colour.
I really wonder how many of us could tell the difference between 20ms and 40ms in a blind test.
I think the custom thing he has on with clearness to high is different than interpolation associated with MotionFlow.
Congrats, you bought a great TV
Sony sets haven't really needed it considering they hit near perfect calibration with just grayscale. 10 point adjustment would be nice by isn't needed.I love this color talk when the Sony doesn't even come with a CMS LUL
If people can't be civil discussing Bluray players we will start banning. Jesus.
There are two settings in Motionflow on this TV. One is Smoothness and the other is Clearness.
Smoothness is set to Min on his TV.
Clearness is set to High.
I am not sure what each of these settings do. On my older LCD TV, Clearness was always associated with flickering the backlight, but not with frame interpolation.
But each TV has its own ways that these settings affect the display. I wouldn't expect an OLED to necessarily match what an LCD does with these settings.
OPPO UDP-203 vs Panasonic DMP-UB900: Picture Quality Comparison
Winner: UB900
This is Digital Foundry level scrutiny, but even in YT you can easily see the difference. Like the video says if you're going to pay that much these kinds of differences are noteworthy.
One last slight picture disappointment regards the 55A1E's input lag (the time it takes to render image data). I measured it at around 40ms when using both the HDR and SDR game modes - a solid rather than exemplary figure. It's worth noting, too, that the input lag cycles, varying from as low as just under 10ms to as high as 51ms - and the 51ms figures are in the majority.
This is the area that really bothers me with OLED and HDR.
"In fact, there are times in Cinema and Cinema Pro mode where you find yourself questioning if the TV is delivering HDR at all."
Destroys the dream.
It's very much still a situation in flux on the Oppo side. The Panasonic product is in a much more stable phase of its life cycle than the Oppo. As he mentions, the chroma handling is subtle, and I think we'll continue to see improvement with additional firmware releases. It is also important too consider that the video is detailing chroma conversion from 4:2:0 10 bit to whatever he's using with his particular equipment. Performance may vary with your gear.
The HDR->SDR handling is more significant, but only if you don't have a proper UHD display. Basically if you need to worry about this, you know it. I think that'll improve too, but the strip metadata feature has been described as experimental, so who knows how that will shake out.
I did some fast forwarding thru the video and didn't notice if he mentioned which firmware releases he was testing with. There were some anecdotal claims of image quality improvement with the Oppo 4/6 release. I personally did not notice any difference.
The bottom line is that you should buy the Oppo if you value build quality, local network streaming, Dolby Vision, and universal disk playback. Those are the differentiating features.. and maybe someday the strip metadata adds to that list.. If you just need a basic player, or want streaming apps then you need to look elsewhere.
Yeah they just gimped the cinema modes for some reason. Standard is brighter but less accurate. My TV is like that too but thankfully there's a way around that in the service menu.
All in all, I'd say get this TV if SDR is your main priority. SDR movies in particular..
OLED is in need of an major breakthrough, in regards to the panel handling more volts thus increasing brightness, without killing it within a few months! But with only LG making them, it's actually quite an issue.
So the guy is gaming with MotionFlow on?
"no perceivable lag input (probably if you are a pro gamer you will but you wouldn't be playing competitively on a television you'd be on a 120hz TN panel)"
K sure.
I talked about it awhile back, as I got one when it launched.
It's a perfectly good top-shelf Blu-ray player and the 4K UHD playback has the neat trick of having a slider you can adjust to change how the HDR to SDR conversion works if your 4K TV isn't HDR.
I love this color talk when the Sony doesn't even come with a CMS LUL
Forbes Review is up for the Sony A1E
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/04/19/sony-xbr-55a1e-xd-55a1e-a1e-4k-oled-tv-review-where-brains-and-beauty-meet/#6f73fd328da7
Return of the king.
Seems the biggest issues is that it might not get quite as bright as the LG E7's by about 100 NITS and the input lag at 40ms.
Here's what he says specifically about the lag
I love this color talk when the Sony doesn't even come with a CMS LUL
Sony sets haven't really needed it considering they hit near perfect calibration with just grayscale. 10 point adjustment would be nice by isn't needed.
High end Sony TVs don't come with a CMS because they literally don't need them. From the factory they are already accurate to DeltaE below human perception.
High end Sony TVs don't come with a CMS because they literally don't need them. From the factory they are already accurate to DeltaE below human perception.
It uses the same X1 Extreme processor as the Z9D so I would expect input lag to similar to Z9D which has also been measured in the 40 ms range.
If you care more about the best image quality and don't play fighting games, 40 ms input lag is not a deal breaker. Image processing is not and never will be temporally "free" because good image processing will always have a temporal element.
Been thinking quite some time to upgrade to a LG B6 (along with a new receiver) but HDMI 2.1 totally stopped me in my plans. HDMI 2.1 seems like a game changer in many areas right? But also how long before I can use the bandwith/new tech? it does seem far away even if new standard comes next year.
Return of the king.
Don't tease.. Pioneer isn't back.
I believe next year will have some half ass stuff capabilities for HDMI 2.1 (one HDMI 2.1 slot) and slowly add more capabilities/functions the following year (2019+). HDMI 2.1 is the new "thing with each manufacturer having a different name for Variable Refresh Rate" to sell.
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We know that at least one HDMI 2.1 capable device is launching this year. And even for 4K displays it'll have an impact thanks to support for:Been thinking quite some time to upgrade to a LG B6 (along with a new receiver) but HDMI 2.1 totally stopped me in my plans. HDMI 2.1 seems like a game changer in many areas right? But also how long before I can use the bandwith/new tech? it does seem far away even if new standard comes next year.
We know that at least one HDMI 2.1 capable device is launching this year. And even for 4K displays it'll have an impact thanks to support for:
- 10 and 12 bit RGB at 4K/60Hz (Great for HDR)
- 10 and 12 bit with 4:4:4: chroma subsampling at 4K/60Hz. (Great for HDR)
- Variable refresh rate.
- 4K/120Hz.
- Improved ARC capabilities.
If you can hold out till 2018 with your current set I'd recommend to wait. HDMI 2.1 will be one of those changes that doesn't come along often.
Depending on what type of content you anticipate you'd be watching I'd go OLED for mainly SDR viewing and Z9D for mainly HDR viewing.I notice Sony have the 65" Z9D for the same price now as the 55" A1E over here. Have to be honest and admit I'm not sure which of those I'd choose for the price, if I had to have Sony.