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All of this negativity on the Xbox One S UHD Bluray playback is making me question my decision to wait for the Scorpio to jump into UHD Bluray.
I'm out of the loop on this one... What's up with it?
All of this negativity on the Xbox One S UHD Bluray playback is making me question my decision to wait for the Scorpio to jump into UHD Bluray.
All of this negativity on the Xbox One S UHD Bluray playback is making me question my decision to wait for the Scorpio to jump into UHD Bluray.
After seeing how well the Sony OLED handles motion while gaming compared to my B6, I must say I'm a bit jealous.
I'd highly suggest seeing if you can use price protection, if your credit card has it, to bring that price down. It's not a bad price, if you're just talking strictly retail, but you can definitely bring it down.Just pulled the trigger on the B6 for $1500 on ebay. So excited! Now I have to find a good UHD player since I just read that the PS4 Pro doesn't have one.
I'm out of the loop on this one... What's up with it?
Just remember what you paid for your B6 then look at the current price of the A1E.
LAS VEGAS APRIL 18, 2017 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. and Amazon Video today announced the introduction of HDR10+, an updated open standard that leverages dynamic metadata to produce enhanced contrast and colors on an expanded range of televisions.
HDR10+ elevates the HDR10 open standard with the addition of Dynamic Tone Mapping. The current HDR10 standard utilizes static metadata that does not change during playback despite scene specific brightness levels. As a result, image quality may not be optimal in some scenes. For example, when a movies overall color scheme is very bright but has a few scenes filmed in relatively dim lighting, those scenes will appear significantly darker than what was originally envisioned by the director.
HDR10+ incorporates dynamic metadata that allows a high dynamic range (HDR) TV to adjust brightness levels on a scene-by-scene or even frame-by-frame basis. With the ability to display outstanding contrast with detailed highlights and a richer range of colors, HDR10+ produces images that are much closer to the directors intent.
All of Samsungs 2017 UHD TVs, including its premium QLED TV lineup, support HDR10+. In the second half of this year, Samsungs 2016 UHD TVs will gain HDR10+ support through a firmware update.
As an advanced HDR10 technology, HDR10+ offers an unparalleled HDR viewing experience vivid picture, better contrast and accurate colors that brings HDR video to life, said Kyoungwon Lim, Vice President of Visual Display Division at Samsung Electronics. Were excited to work with world-class industry partners, including Amazon Video, to bring more amazing HDR content directly to our 2017 UHD TVs, including our QLED TV lineup.
Together with Samsung, we are excited to offer customers an enhanced viewing experience on a broad range of devices, said Greg Hart, Vice President of Amazon Video, worldwide. At Amazon, we are constantly innovating on behalf of customers and are thrilled to be the first streaming service provider to work with Samsung to make HDR10+ available on Prime Video globally later this year.
Lord, $4k for the 55"? So +$1k over the C7?
I think a fairer comparison would be the E7 vs A1E. Both provide a better sound solution and the designs are supposed to be more premium, even if every 2017 OLED panel are the same. I'm sure if Sony didn't try to sell us the their Acoustic Surface sound technology on this set, it would have been a lot closer in price to the C7. Also, they are getting their panels from LG.
The Good: The LG C7 is the best-performing TV we've tested to date. It delivers perfect black levels, wide viewing angles, accurate color and a great bright-room picture. It's compatible with both major HDR formats, and HDR image quality is better than last year. Its striking design features a super-slim panel.
The Bad: It's really expensive, and prices are likely to drop. Other 2017 TVs we haven't yet reviewed might perform even better.
The Bottom Line: The LG C7 is the best overall TV we've ever tested, but patient shoppers are likely to be rewarded by price drops in the coming months.
Is HDR10+ every bit as good as DV or does DV have more than just the meta data advantage?
I would be very curious to see the metrics on who spends $4k on a TV and uses the built-in audio. One assumes they do the market research to show the value there, would love to see that deck.
I'd highly suggest seeing if you can use price protection, if your credit card has it, to bring that price down. It's not a bad price, if you're just talking strictly retail, but you can definitely bring it down.
As far as players.. lol. Just read back a couple pages.
The amount of articles with "hands on review" in the header for a TV that they saw at CES or a press show is kinda shitty.
Really hungry for some more of these A1E impressions.
It is absolutely unnecessary if the display has a factory calibration which displays all source gamuts as accurately as possible.The colors are great out of the box, but I would really love to have a working CMS on all sets, particularly now that no set can reach full BT.2020.
There is really not a good excuse, at for any set over 1k not to have this feature, IMO.
Pioneer displays were always overrated.Don't tease.. Pioneer isn't back.
Things are going to get really interesting once Panasonic has those 1000 nit, 1,000,000:1 IPS panels in widespread production.OLED is in need of an major breakthrough, in regards to the panel handling more volts thus increasing brightness, without killing it within a few months! But with only LG making them, it's actually quite an issue.
I would be very curious to see the metrics on who spends $4k on a TV and uses the built-in audio. One assumes they do the market research to show the value there, would love to see that deck.
I would be very curious to see the metrics on who spends $4k on a TV and uses the built-in audio. One assumes they do the market research to show the value there, would love to see that deck.
I think that line of thinking is kinda why people questioned buying an Xbox S for UHD playback a few pages back. If you are going to pay big money for a TV, why then feed it with a (arguably) substandard source?
HDR10+ INFORMATION:
Here are the facts, confirmed via email from the product development director and the two leading engineers at Samsung:
There is no upgrade path for HDR10+ (AKA, "dynamic HDR 10") available ahead of the hardware update to HDMI 2.1 which is required to support HDR10+ from UHD Blu-Ray discs.
Model year 2016 Samsung HDR TVs can now support HDR10+ via streaming only; their HDMI 2.0a inputs will only support HDR10 from UHD Blu-Ray discs.
Model year 2017 Samsung HDR TVs can now support HDR10+ via streaming only; their HDMI 2.0b inputs will only support HDR10 from UHD Blu-Ray discs.
Model year 2018 Samsung HDR TVs will support HDR10+ via streaming as well as on their HDMI 2.1 inputs.
Why fuck Dolby Vision? Both formats can live.
Anyway here's an interesting post from AVS regarding this
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...000-4k-uhd-owners-thread-48.html#post51396705
Oddly enough this is dated 3/10/17 (before todays announcement) which leads me to believe that this is true. Samsung flagships gonna come with HDMI 2.1 next year confirmed as far as I'm concerned.
Just kidding about DV. Seems like it'll be easy enough to support both, especially since DV doesn't actually require special hardware and neither does HDR10+.
Samsung has said that existing UHD players may be able to be updated to play HDR10+ too.
I don't think the discs will play HDR10+. The players will probably be updated to support 10+ for apps.
The KS8000/9000 are considered the 2016 models right?
My thoughts are, that I got my B6 for quite cheap, and I've never owned a television of this caliber. I also plan to buy a Scorpio, and don't want to throw more the $200 into a standalone player if I'm throwing $400 (hopefully) into the Scorpio in 6 months or so.
I have to ask myself if I'd notice the difference between players if I've never noticed this kind of this before, but I've never noticed this kind of difference because I've simply never has this kind of top tier technology in my home.
Will HDR10+ come to other brands? Why are Samsung the first?
My thoughts are, that I got my B6 for quite cheap, and I've never owned a television of this caliber. I also plan to buy a Scorpio, and don't want to throw more the $200 into a standalone player if I'm throwing $400 (hopefully) into the Scorpio in 6 months or so.
I have to ask myself if I'd notice the difference between players if I've never noticed this kind of this before, but I've never noticed this kind of difference because I've simply never has this kind of top tier technology in my home.
For movie playback, Limited is more than fine, but it does suck that Full (RGB) may still be broken for gaming.My thoughts are, that I got my B6 for quite cheap, and I've never owned a television of this caliber. I also plan to buy a Scorpio, and don't want to throw more the $200 into a standalone player if I'm throwing $400 (hopefully) into the Scorpio in 6 months or so.
I have to ask myself if I'd notice the difference between players if I've never noticed this kind of this before, but I've never noticed this kind of difference because I've simply never has this kind of top tier technology in my home.
Also, how much UHD disc-based content will you be watching? If you plan to amass a huge physical collection, maybe a standalone player is right for you. If not, the xbone player will suffice.
I have used the Xbox One S and the Oppo 203. I didn't do any technical comparisons between the two, but when I was using the Xbox I thought it looked great. It was the first UHD disk play that I experienced though, so take it with a grain of salt. I had issues with some disks not playing, and some stuttering and such. The Oppo has experienced its own growing pains (new format after all) but aside from a layer change stutter on Deepwater Horizon, I haven't had any problems with the Oppo for disk playback.
I'd suggest going to AVS and reading this thread:
Linky
Thanks for the input!
I have amassed a decent Bluray collection, but plan to only invest in UHD discs if the transfers are reviewed really well from the 4K master.
The only UHD disc I currently own is Arrival, but it was only $5 more than the regular Bluray.
I think that line of thinking is kinda why people questioned buying an Xbox S for UHD playback a few pages back. If you are going to pay big money for a TV, why then feed it with a (arguably) substandard source?
Only C6 supports 3D between the two.If i have a pretty large 3d movie collection, is there any downside with going with the 65" C6 over the B6? will picture quality take a hit? they seem to be priced about the same, with the C6 being easier to find.
I would personally recommend that you not get too hung up on whether it's been shot and mastered in 4k. Many titles that were shot or mastered at a lower resolution look fabulous due to HDR. Personally I think HDR is more important than 4K.
There are exceptions of course. A handful of movies are just totally jacked up regardless.
Will all Blu Ray discs take advantage of HDR? Or must it be UHD Blu Ray that is mastered for HDR in some way?
If i have a pretty large 3d movie collection, is there any downside with going with the 65" C6 over the B6? will picture quality take a hit? they seem to be priced about the same, with the C6 being easier to find.
If i have a pretty large 3d movie collection, is there any downside with going with the 65" C6 over the B6? will picture quality take a hit? they seem to be priced about the same, with the C6 being easier to find.
C6 owner here. This is a fantastic TV. From what I've heard, the C6 has a slightly better processor (mainly for 3D I think) so it has lower lag than B6, if marginally, and it shares its DNA with the top-end, also-3D E6. So yeah, go for it.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e
The Review some of you were waiting for.
31,34 ms lag 1080/4k
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e
The Review some of you were waiting for.
31,34 ms lag 1080/4k
Manufacturers are really raking people over in this 4k generation. 1.4hdmi, 4k/30p, hdmi 2.0, 4k/60p, then HDR, DV, HDR+, now we're talking about hdmi 2.1, VRR, etc. Its upsetting to a lot of people it seems. Confusing. Trigger shy because fear of pulsating.
All these standards are out of control. Its not just minor IQ enhancements either like in brightness or color.
I suspect I won't upgrade from my B6 for at least 5 years.