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Wow I was holding out for the A1E but looking at the input lag I'm glad I went for the C7.
The C7 looks the better allrounder right now if you ask me. Still interested to see how the Panny stacks up.
Wow I was holding out for the A1E but looking at the input lag I'm glad I went for the C7.
ABL is more aggressive on A1E but the peak brightness is pretty much the negligible between the two.Not bad, the image inprovements and motion are great, but brightness being lower than the C7 as well as costing much more means LG still the OLED to get in 2017. Good first effort by Sony though. I don't know why 1080p input lag listed as such a large negative. Honestly if you are buying an A1E and gaming at 1080p, I don't understand. Maybe for PC'ers? Otherwise 4K and HDR 29-30ms is pretty good for a first attempt. DCI not as high as I would like. Here is hoping they do surprise with a Z9E or something later.
Sony improved input lag on one of their TVs last year so hopefully Sony can do it again this year. LG did a tremendous job of lowering theirs throughout the whole lineup though.Wow I was holding out for the A1E but looking at the input lag I'm glad I went for the C7.
So according to RTINGS the C7 performs better on every front outside motion and sound quality?
The C7 is LG's entry-level OLED TV. It is very similar to the A1E overall, and it offers picture quality that is virtually identical. It's also capable of displaying highlights slightly brighter for HDR, and lower input lag for gaming. If you don't notice minor judder when watching movies and aren't a serious gamer then the A1E may be a better choice, otherwise go with whichever is cheaper.
So BFI on the A1E is enabled with Clearness set to High? Which adds 8ms to the 30ms of lag at 4K?
47ms 55ms low and high.
So according to RTINGS the C7 performs better on every front outside motion and sound quality?
Image quality is superior on the A1E but marginally. Sound quality is a good thing and people say this has good sound for a tv, but honestly, this is a home theatre reference level television. You are going to use a receiver and speaker setup or soundbar setup no?
I am not a fanboy for brands. I like a combination of picture quality vs price vs premium build quality. I honestly say the C7 is a better purchase. Brightness levels are negligible but they are measured lower than the C7. Input lag is negligible or will be fixed with a firmware update, not worrying. Build quality is great sure. But the price difference between a C7 and A1E is too much for what is offered by Sony. You can buy a 65" C7 for less than a 55" A1E and save hundreds. Use that extra money to buy the new Atmos soundbars or a better receiver and speaker setup.
Image quality is superior on the A1E but marginally. Sound quality is a good thing and people say this has good sound for a tv, but honestly, this is a home theatre reference level television. You are going to use a receiver and speaker setup or soundbar setup no?
I am not a fanboy for brands. I like a combination of picture quality vs price vs premium build quality. I honestly say the C7 is a better purchase. Brightness levels are negligible but they are measured lower than the C7. Input lag is negligible or will be fixed with a firmware update, not worrying. Build quality is great sure. But the price difference between a C7 and A1E is too much for what is offered by Sony. You can buy a 65" C7 for less than a 55" A1E and save hundreds. Use that extra money to buy the new Atmos soundbars or a better receiver and speaker setup.
You can't discount BFI though, it's awesome, and at 38ms it'll be great still.
I agree with everything you said since you are essentially paying $1,000 for better motion ability and sound, except the better comparison would be the E7 vs A1E. They are the same price and provide much better sound than the C7.
Where can you get a 65" for less than a $4,000? Each size for the C7 is a $1,000 less than the equivalent version of the A1E wherever I check.
My mistake, I got confused with the prices. I meant to write 65" A1E. Even still LG discounts much more than Sony. I would image the C7 which will be the B6 of this year to get a deep discount come black friday. I don't know. I just don't see enough an improvement to justify the price difference. But I do like Sony being in the space and Panasonic soon. Will keep LG on their toes. Just need Samsung's cheapass to invest in OLED now as well.
Damn I expected the A1E to blow LG's OLEDs out of the water.
Now I'm curious if Sony drops an Z9 successor near the holidays. Be interested in seeing what a beast that could be.
Those are 1080P numbers, not 4K.
Low = Off
High = On
Those are the settings according to RTINGS.
But I do like Sony being in the space and Panasonic soon. Will keep LG on their toes. Just need Samsung's cheapass to invest in OLED now as well.
Nah, QLED is the future in emissive displays. Even LG knows this. Til then I wouldn't be surprised if 800 peak nits is a hard cap for the next few years.
I'm imagining the Z9E or whatever it's called will match the 1000 zone master panel prototype they showed a couple of years ago.
This is the future:
Sony CLEDIS
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-m...p-latest-CLEDISLargeDisplaySolutionWide.shtml
Imagine rearranging these panels for when you want to watch some ultrawide movies.
The C7 looks the better allrounder right now if you ask me. Still interested to see how the Panny stacks up.
ABL is more aggressive on A1E but the peak brightness is pretty much the negligible between the two.
Sony improved input lag on one of their TVs last year so hopefully Sony can do it again this year. LG did a tremendous job of lowering theirs throughout the whole lineup though.
Density isn't good enough to be used in the home. Besides cost being prohibitive you need a LOT of space to set one of those up. And you also need a much higher distance to boot.This is the future:
Sony CLEDIS
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-m...p-latest-CLEDISLargeDisplaySolutionWide.shtml
Imagine rearranging these panels for when you want to watch some ultrawide movies.
So according to RTINGS the C7 performs better on every front outside motion and sound quality?
This is the future:
Sony CLEDIS
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-m...p-latest-CLEDISLargeDisplaySolutionWide.shtml
Imagine rearranging these panels for when you want to watch some ultrawide movies.
QLED isn't an emissive display though? Am I misunderstanding you?
QLED is an edge-lit LED display.
Can anyone recommend a good atmos soundbar around the $1k price, and a good 4k compatable receiver to go with a C6?
This year the 65 inch OLED has an MSRP of $4.5k, and a street price of $4k~. If last year was any indication, you'll see the same set go for $2-2.4k come October/November. That seems pretty messed up to me lol.
QLED isn't an emissive display though? Am I misunderstanding you?
QLED is an edge-lit LED display.
Not in the near future though.
Density isn't good enough to be used in the home. Besides cost being prohibitive you need a LOT of space to set one of those up. And you also need a much higher distance to boot.
Wouldn't watching a CLEDIS panel from the short distance have huge problems with the whole "not 100% black thing"?
That isn't a particular issue but you are right you are limited by size and your ability to pack them closer together. VR has the same issue due to the optics where the display fill matters quite a lot.Wouldn't watching a CLEDIS panel from the short distance have huge problems with the whole "not 100% black thing"?
No, those are Samsung's current TVs. Actual QLEDs are self-emissive Quantum Dots.
http://www.ledinside.com/news/2017/3/self_emitting_quantum_dot_tvs_will_appear_on_market_after_2020
To keep it simple, there's a real QLED that is emissive and a fake QLED that is basically in name only. The current ones are the latter, but Samsung is still working on the real ones.
Ok, yeah, this is no where near consumer level of course. It's barely even commercial level.
As far as getting close, I had heard reports of it looking great even when peeking directly at the screen from a few inches, I don't know. And yeah, it'd need to shrink even more so the density is good for home use.
Cool, so it is 8ms across the board.
Nah, QLED is the future in emissive displays. Even LG knows this. Til then I wouldn't be surprised if 800 peak nits is a hard cap for the next few years.
Actually, Sony and Panny aren't in the space aside from maybe JOLED venture for mobile displays. Everyone bar Sammy is just buying what LG is selling.
Cool, so it is 8ms across the board.
Nah, QLED is the future in emissive displays. Even LG knows this. Til then I wouldn't be surprised if 800 peak nits is a hard cap for the next few years.
Actually, Sony and Panny aren't in the space aside from maybe JOLED venture for mobile displays. Everyone bar Sammy is just buying what LG is selling.
When did the QLED become emissive?
Ah interesting. I thought the QLED name was all marketing fluff.
It's not truly emissive BTW. You need something to Excite the QD layer to emmit light. This means a back-light of sorts.
Can anyone recommend a good atmos soundbar around the $1k price, and a good 4k compatable receiver to go with a C6?
I can't play Nier Automata PC in 4K/60 yet, even with a GTX 1080, so Full HD input lag is definitely still important for PC gamers.
I've been waiting for them to drop in the U.K. With no luckMan, pricing here in Europe for the LG OLEDs is now so ridiculous, that cou can by a 65" C7 for just 30 more than a C6 ...
Let's brake up the name:I'm getting slightly confused with the LG OLED naming. I'm looking at the LG OLED55B6V. Which I assume is what people refer to as the B6 in this thread. But there's B7V, E6V, E7V etc. Is there a rule to see performance and yearly model? The B6 is about $1k cheaper than the second cheapest.
Let's brake up the name:
LG <- brand (sorry I couldn't leave this out )
55/65/etc <- size in inches
B/C/E/G/W <- The higher the letter the more "premium" the SKU is. As far as we know all SKUs use the same panel(Not sure about the W though), so it's mostly the extras that are improved with a higher letter SKU. For example the E and G SKUs come with a fancy design and a soundbar and the W SKU is the wallpaper TV.
6 <- Indicates the series. The 6 series are 2016 models, the 7 series are 2017 models.
V/P/etc <- Indicates the region I believe.
How do I do this without adding input lag?Not that I'm downplaying it's importance, but there's nothing to stop you from sending a 4K signal to the TV and still having the game naively render at 1080p and have no input lag and just use your GPUs scaling.
How do I do this without adding input lag?