BlindCommunication
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Murray should just feign injury and retire now. Would be the most honourable thing to do at this point.
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greenleaves
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Roger getting revenge for the Masters Cup 2008 round robin. Murray came out looking pretty strong, but Roger's just smothering him now from all around the court.
Sax Russel
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If you average their first serve %s, which are pretty close anyway, could you find a worse first serve % match? Especially between players of their rank? This is just lol-worthy.
Edit: Set 2, 9% for Fed. wheeeee
Edit: Set 2, 9% for Fed. wheeeee
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Deleted member 231381
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Yes. Also, he will be eliminated anyway.
I imagine this is the point in his career where he wakes up in his bed next day, stained with the sweaty tears from the previous day, realizes he's reached rock bottom, and picks up the phone and begs Lendl to come back to him.
perfectchaos007
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Is he still with Mauresmo?
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Deleted member 231381
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Yes. It's clearly not working at all. This is not even a physical issue, it's not like he's tiring or his calves are going or anything, he is just mentally fucked in every sense. Can't get the ball over the net. Also, that serve is painful. There are people at my club with better serves than that, and that is not an exaggeration in any conceivable way.
John Dunbar
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federer missed some returns and the dream of a double bagel is starting to fade. still deuce though.
Diprosalic
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dream is alive
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Deleted member 231381
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you have absolutely no option but to drop your coach after this. This is like, the definition of absolutely not working in any conceivable manner. he's playing worse than he did against Dimitrov at Wimbledon.
Diprosalic
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is this what the WTA feels like?
John Dunbar
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so when was the last time a top 10 player got double bageled? i have a feeling federer will be merciful here and let him have this game, i just want to know when, if ever, was the last time it happened.
BlindCommunication
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I refuse to believe Fed would double bagel Murray here, he'll gift him a pity game surely. I can't remember the last time there was a double bagel between two established players on the tour. This is not the WTA, players respect each other to a certain point.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
second serve ace, you know federer is being kind now.
LOL! Mercy? Pity?
If I had half a chance to double bagel any opponent I met I would do it. Confidence and destroying confidence is everything in tennis. Not just for this match, but for the match that comes afterward. Fed knows this too. He wont drop a game because he feels sorry for Murray.
If I had half a chance to double bagel any opponent I met I would do it. Confidence and destroying confidence is everything in tennis. Not just for this match, but for the match that comes afterward. Fed knows this too. He wont drop a game because he feels sorry for Murray.
Diprosalic
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uh? respect is not pulling back. givin a pity game is the very definition of disrespect.
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Murray hasn't had a double bagel since a Futures match in 2003.
EDIT: and manages to keep that dubious accomplishment alive.
EDIT: and manages to keep that dubious accomplishment alive.
John Dunbar
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two points away from a double bagel. roger the merciful.
Sorry to not join the bandwagon guys, but does anyone remember last weeks ? Murray played an insane amount of matches to qualify for the WTF. Ok, he's not playing well, but you have to take that into account. Who really thought he'd be even 50% fit for this tournament ?
I sure wouldn't have predicted a double bagel or bagel-breadstick combo, but it's understandable. Andy is fried.
These guys are not robots.
I sure wouldn't have predicted a double bagel or bagel-breadstick combo, but it's understandable. Andy is fried.
These guys are not robots.
I definitely didn't expect him to do much of anything. You're right, he played a TON before this.
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It's not fitness, though, and I say that as a Murray fan. Just look at him. it's not like he's too tired to get into position to take the shot or anything, he just... can't hit anything in.
Diprosalic
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suck it Murray
suck it Murray
I'd argue it's definitely what happens when you're tired physically and mentally in tennis.
Sax Russel
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Not sure how to feel after that.
BlindCommunication
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Only in an idealistic world where sport is all about giving your best etc. In reality, even Murray will be happy not getting double bagelled in London and the crowd will certainly be glad that Fed showed some mercy. Fed made his point anyway, when he led 6-0 5-0 0-30, he clearly started fooling around on the next 4 points.
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Yeah, this is the kicker. This was a Federer ripe for the taking by any reasonable top 16 player. Just shameful.
Wow, a bit bitter are we?
Another aspect that could have played a part in the result : Murray knew he had to win in straights. When he saw, very early on, that he wouldn't be able to do that, he probably collapsed a little bit inside, and against someone like Federer on a surface he loves, it can't go well. It's absolutely not the same as entering the court for a classic match where, no matter how you play, if you win, you go to the next round.
That's a situation you encounter frequently in football (soccer) in group stage, even for the best teams.
That's a situation you encounter frequently in football (soccer) in group stage, even for the best teams.
John Dunbar
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all those sky sports wankers are talking about how federer did everything great today, but nobody is mentioning his terrible first serve percentage.
Can't speak for them, but for ESPN, Darren Cahill brought that up. Roger said he didn't serve that well as well. If he had, the match probably would've been quicker, considering he won all (?) of his first serve points that he did have.
Lone_Prodigy
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This thread seemed more entertaining than the game itself.
I don't think Fed served poorly though. Since Fed won all his first serves in ( 14/14 ) and a higher than normal 63% of his second serves ( his average is 57% ) then that basically means that you don't get a chance to hit that many serves, first or second. Fed hit 36 serves and won 28 of those. Also, since Murray won only one game on his own serve, the match was over pretty fast. Its then a bit misleading stat and wrong to say that Federer served poorly when he was winning nearly every point on serve.
If Murray had challenged Federer more - won more second serves off Fed and a few first serves here and there, that would bring up the amount of first serves Fed would have to hit. Consider for instance that if someone hits 70-90% first serves, but the opponent wins 50% of those - thats not serving great even if the first serve percentage is high. Its just putting the ball in play and getting outplayed.
If Murray had challenged Federer more - won more second serves off Fed and a few first serves here and there, that would bring up the amount of first serves Fed would have to hit. Consider for instance that if someone hits 70-90% first serves, but the opponent wins 50% of those - thats not serving great even if the first serve percentage is high. Its just putting the ball in play and getting outplayed.
m_shortpants
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Man, a shame I missed this at work. Will have to catch highlights.
Sums it up pretty well.
Yeah, that's fair, well said.
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