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[Carl2291]

Someone really needs to stop ISIS and cut the head of the snake. These attacks are getting too frequent.

Kill ISIS and another radical Islamic cult will take its place.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Someone really needs to stop ISIS and cut the head of the snake. These attacks are getting too frequent.

You can't kill an idea.

That's the issue.

I do think any sympathizers/supporters should be treated with zero tolerance though.

 

[milanbaros]

I dunno, I want to at least get one of these fuckers and find out what's going on there heads- might provide some key insights.

What key insights beyond the current understanding of why people get radicalised are you hoping to get from these people?

 

[Clancy]

Kill ISIS and another radical Islamic cult will take its place.

Wow are you seriously implying the problem lies within Islam?

 

[nekkid]

I read that the knife attackers were shot and killed. Good. It wont bring their victims back, but it satisfied me to read that they were escorted from this life not long after their stabbing spree.

I'd rather they were denied being martyrs, were in hospital in incredible pain from bullet wounds, handcuffed to the bed, personally.

 

[Fancyarcher]

Just tragic. My condolences to the family and friends of the ones who were hurt in the accident.

 

[jellies_two]

ISIS is in trouble in the Middle East and losing ground every day. All they do is spread propaganda and try to get some lunatics to do bad things for them. The Taliban has been doing this from the 80's and when they strike, the death toll is much much higher.

And that's the thing. What is to fear when they can't even create their own viable state from their own people out of the wreckage that is Iraq and Syria?

McCain was on tv yesterday giving a 30 minute interview to an au abc reporter and he said it: as horrible as Isis is, Russian meddling is far more of a threat to western democracies. So why even entertain such stupidity as "bomb them all", while refusing to lay down the law to Putin? What kind of stupid priority is that?

 

[Haines]

And that's the thing. What is to fear when they can't even create their own viable state from their own people out of the wreckage that is Iraq and Syria?

McCain was on tv yesterday giving a 30 minute interview to an au abc reporter and he said it: as horrible as Isis is, Russian meddling is far more of a threat to western democracies. So why even entertain such stupidity as "bomb them all", while refusing to lay down the law to Putin? What kind of stupid priority is that?

I'm uneducated on the matter but dealing with Russia sounds a lot tougher than banging some doors in of terrorists.

 

[DasPenguin]

And that's the thing. What is to fear when they can't even create their own viable state from their own people out of the wreckage that is Iraq and Syria?

McCain was on tv yesterday giving a 30 minute interview to an au abc reporter and he said it: as horrible as Isis is, Russian meddling is far more of a threat to western democracies. So why even entertain such stupidity as "bomb them all", while refusing to lay down the law to Putin? What kind of stupid priority is that?

Are you blaming the locals for Iraq? And it's kind of hard to "create a state" in a country (Syria) where the leader is a crazy dictator who bombs civilians.

And I agree on Russia, but USA hasn't done the west any favors with their illegal war. Kind of easy to get people to hate the western society when their family members get blown to pieces.

 

[MisterFalcon]

I'd rather they were denied being martyrs, were in hospital in incredible pain from bullet wounds, handcuffed to the bed, personally.

To have decades in jail so they can recruit more small time criminals to become big time jihadists ? No thanks.

 

[Clancy]

Edit: never mind, it's old.

another explosion outside The Sun newspaper building in London?

 

[reckless]

It's possible there may have been another explosion outside The Sun newspaper building in London.

That's 5 hours old.

 

[PipefishUK]

I really don't want to sound crass - I just woke up and checked the news. Obviously any number of dead is terrible and there are many injured.

But there were three of them and they killed six people, then they were all shot within eight minutes of the first call... That's a SHIT terrorist and some good police right there.

 

[Clancy]

That's 5 hours old.

Yeah just noticed. Going to try digging through the Twitter account to see what that's about.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

I'd rather they were denied being martyrs, were in hospital in incredible pain from bullet wounds, handcuffed to the bed, personally.

They are in hell don't worry about that.
Only in the mind of people sick as they are they have attained "martyrdom".

 

[Syder]

Edit: never mind? Date appears off? Can anyone explain this:

another explosion outside The Sun newspaper building in London?

All signs point towards a bomb squad controlled demolition.

 

[jellies_two]

I'm uneducated on the matter but dealing with Russia sounds a lot tougher than banging some doors in of terrorists.

The trouble with terrorists is without precogs you don't know they have become one until it is 30 minutes too late.

 

[jellies_two]

Are you blaming the locals for Iraq? And it's kind of hard to "create a state" in a country (Syria) where the leader is a crazy dictator who bombs civilians..

Of course not but what I am saying is that ISIS has singularly failed to build its base among muslims who are in very desperate situations already. So this idea that they are a force that threatens the west is ridiculous. This is no comfort to anyone that is injured and killed of course. But for 99.9999% the only risk is what seeing shit on tv does to our judgement.

 

[jufonuk]

RIP to all the victims

This is madness. So close to where I work and where I go for a walk on my lunch break.

Nearly any photo or place mentioned in the reports I can identify.

 

[J-Rzez]

Even when ISIS is crushed, you have to immediately focus on the known lesser threats and eradicate them as well. The remaining will regroup into something else, stuff them, and eventually you'll get it at least under control. You can't win the "war" just be destroying ISIS.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Even when ISIS is crushed, you have to immediately focus on the known lesser threats and eradicate them as well. The remaining will regroup into something else, stuff them, and eventually you'll get it at least under control. You can't win the "war" just be destroying ISIS.

ISIS is an offshoot of Al-Qaida which is an offshoot of an offshoot of a radical cell of the muslim brotherhood.

So if we can learn something, is that they will come back until their ideology is alive. Cutting the head will just make 8 heads pop elsewhere. It's the ugly truth. Of course i am in favor of fighting them and defeating them militarily, but it's not the long-term solution.
The long-term solution is peace and stability in the middle-east. And locals actors are as responsible for the current situation as internationals actors.

 

[SteveO409]

Any word if there will be a vigil today for the victims or is it too soon

 

[nekkid]

They are in hell don't worry about that.
Only in the mind of people sick as they are they have attained "martyrdom".

And that bothers me. I'd rather our authorities were leveraging their knowledge rather than those assholes were leveraging their "sacrifice".

 

[Syder]

The Manchester One Love concert is due to happen today, I haven't seen any information on whether or not they're going to go ahead with it after last night's events.

 

[Haines]

Watching those officers clear that bar.

So fucking brave. You dont know if you walking out.

Seriously. My job does not entail putting my life on the line like that.

The balls.

 

[milanbaros]

The Manchester One Love concert is due to happen today, I haven't seen any information on whether or not they're going to go ahead with it after last night's events.

To not go ahead would be pretty damning. Terrorism already has a disproportional impact on British people's lives.

 

[excowboy]

Watching those officers clear that bar.

So fucking brave. You dont know if you walking out.

Seriously. My job does not entail putting my life on the line like that.

The balls.

+1 - fell asleep last night to the news not being clear what was happening. The loss of lives is tragic but it sounds like it could have been a lot worse if the police did not respond so unbelievably quickly and bravely.

 

[Betty]

To not go ahead would be pretty damning. Terrorism already has a disproportional impact on British people's lives.

And to ignore reality and go ahead when the threat is obviously very much real, that's not much better.

 

[milanbaros]

And to ignore reality and go ahead when the threat is obviously very much real, that's not much better.

Yes it is.

 

[Fushichou187]

For God's sake...really...

Unsurprisingly, yes.

 

[KonradLaw]

I dunno, I want to at least get one of these fuckers and find out what's going on there heads- might provide some key insights.

They think their doing their holy duty. That's all. Nothing everybody else does will change their mind. The best you can hope for is having their friends and families report on them if they know something is up, either by encouragement (preferable) or by threats, Israel-style.

Realistically if youre in Europe and you have sizable muslim population made up from people of migrant background you will get terror attacks. The only way to avoid them is to ensure you don't have such population, but that ship has sailed a long time ago for western Europe. At most you can reduce the incoming flow and put out fires as they happen.

 

[Betty]

Yes it is.

If there is another attack near or at the stadium it will crush people's hopes.

We both know folk were already going to be on edge at the concert, but this will only make things worse.

Even if it goes ahead I see many not turning up.

 

[Thornton Reed]

What an amazing response from the police. If they decided to attack another part of the country I imagine the death toll would have been much higher

 

[ronaldthump]

There was also the one last week about using gumtree/craigslist/ebay to lure targets to pickup points for slaying.

Isis is a scourge and they need to be eradicate for the scu that they are.


What london needs is plain clothes police officers - more of them in hotspots moving forward. Incident happens? They go to town and fight back.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

If there is another attack near or at the stadium it will crush people's hopes.

We both know folk were already going to be on edge at the concert, but this will only make things worse.

Even if it goes ahead I see many not turning up.

People in Israel have lived in fear of random rocket fire and acts of terrorism for decades and life there seems to go on.

 

[Kurtofan]

they are edgelords, it's the kind of scenario someone with too much time on their hand and a fucked up mind cook up

pretty much the walking embodiment of what far righters think of muslims, "funnily" enough.

 

[orochi91]

I find these vehicular attacks so much more terrifying than bombings at landmarks and arenas for some reason.

RIP to the victims.

 

[norinrad]

People in Israel have lived in fear of random rocket fire and acts of terrorism for decades and life there seems to go on.

People in the UK lived under the IRA terrorism for years as well. What is your point?

People just want to go out without the fear of getting killed.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

People just want to go out without the fear of getting killed.

I'm assuming you mean this to be more specific but the point is still the same. The point is that terrorism as a tactic has been around for a very long time either by leftists like the weather underground, the IRA, religious extremists, Timothy McVeigh, and whatever else I'm forgetting.

Societies have not crumbled as a result so why would it now?

 

[norinrad]

I'm assuming you mean this to be more specific but the point is still the same. The point is that terrorism as a tactic has been around for a very long time either by leftists like the weather underground, the IRA, religious extremists, Timothy McVeigh, and whatever else I'm forgetting.

Societies have not crumbled as a result so why would it now?

I don't think you can compare the two. The Israeli and Palestinian conflict is not the same as what is currently going on around Western Europe. I get your point never the less.

 

[KingV]

I'm uneducated on the matter but dealing with Russia sounds a lot tougher than banging some doors in of terrorists.

No way, because we know that Putin is a rational actor. We don't really know that about ISIS (or al qaeda , or whatever).

If the west got organized and decided that they wanted to do so, they could absolutely cripple Russia with economic and diplomatic sanctions until they cried uncle.

It is in my opinion that the west should. We should start expelling diplomats, ratcheting up sanctions, and not letting their citizens pass through our airports or renew visas.

 

[Betty]

I'm assuming you mean this to be more specific but the point is still the same. The point is that terrorism as a tactic has been around for a very long time either by leftists like the weather underground, the IRA, religious extremists, Timothy McVeigh, and whatever else I'm forgetting.

Societies have not crumbled as a result so why would it now?

Because I don't recall any division having such a long and world affecting impact as this current strain, none of those examples you posted compare, this is global.

America has been shaped from the events of 9/11 while the UK is dissolving a generation old alliance out of fear of terrorist immigrants.

No, societies won't crumble, but they sure are being shaped by these events and not for what I'd consider the best.

 

[Ethelwulf]

These fuckers... I feel so sad for their families. What to do with such a complex issue?

 

[Stereogatari]

The authorities need to come down hard on Islamist Extremist organisations. Any rhetoric of that "infidels are subhuman" nature is a threat. These guys are straight up racists, but instead of race it's religion.

 

[PdotMichael]

Wow are you seriously implying the problem lies within Islam?

The old you are a racist card, with the goal that nothing will ever improve.

 

[MCN]

Massive respect to the Met Police for their rapid and efficient response.

 

[PdotMichael]

The authorities need to come down hard on Islamist Extremist organisations. Any rhetoric of that "infidels are subhuman" nature is a threat. These guys are straight up racists, but instead of race it's religion.

It's not really a difference in that case. The Western view that religion is something personal and even something spiritual is not shared in many places in the world.

 

[RustyNails]

Is Anjem Choudhary and his loony group still around?

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Is Anjem Choudhary and his loony group still around?

He's currently sitting in a cell.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

You CAN kill an ideology. History shows the only way to kill an idea is with another idea. I am not content with my muslim brothers in countries Iraq and Syria to allow this festering infection on our world. I hope the bastard that did this gets what's coming to him.

What do you mean should we start another crusade?