Dark_castle
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Terrorists are the trash of world.
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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It's because the previous efforts to dismantle operations have left them down more low level weapons and tactics. They can't put together anything more complex because we've removed it. However, everyone has and are addicted to cars. You really can't do anything about it, outside of transitioning everyone to self-driving cars.
it's the same reason white christians haven't been able to do another oklahoma city, we tracked and actually required certain chemicals in farm supplies to make a bomb harder to build.
RustyNails
Member
Good. Hoping the fucker dies in there. He did irreversible damage to Muslim community in London with his extremist nonsense.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
I assume police know the mosques where these fuckers get radicalised . That's what they have to shut down
I figure a lot of this radicalization is happening online.
Just saw on BBC a specialist in terrorism saying that ISIS had spread the message to its followers to make attacks during the month of Ramadan. I had never heard if this, and cant help but think that if this is the case, we should have been warned that this month is more likely than others for an attack
Why? What would it do? ISIS are always telling its followers to commit atrocities. This wouldn't affect how we go about our lives anyway, so why make people feel under threat like that by giving then a warning?
Terrorists feed off terror.
That won't be effective and they will just go underground which is more dangerous. It's a complex issue.
gunslikewhoa
Member
I've seen this mentioned dozens of times across who knows how many news sources for several weeks now. They've done this for years.
GameAddict411
Member
I don't think it happens in mosques nowadays. It's all through online propaganda designed to brainwash the weak. People who probably were rejected from society.
This has been the case for years now. A decade even.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/ramadan-isis-attack-muslim/528336/
velociraptor
Junior Member
Oh great, another fucking terrorist attack to wake up to. 2017 has been a shit year.
This has to be one of the most horrific things I have read.
Fuck these people. What the fuck is wrong with humanity.
How much of a twisted fuck must you be to adopt that kind of ideology or mentality?
This has to be one of the most horrific things I have read.
Fuck these people. What the fuck is wrong with humanity.
How much of a twisted fuck must you be to adopt that kind of ideology or mentality?
m_shortpants
Member
Fucking monsters. RIP to all victims.
How twisted do you have to be to carry out an attack like this at all, let alone in what is supposed to be a holy month where you abstain from things which are allowed...like food.
How twisted do you have to be to carry out an attack like this at all, let alone in what is supposed to be a holy month where you abstain from things which are allowed...like food.
Internet obviously plays a role but I think you're vastly underestimating the growing number of salafi mosques in Europe. There are about 120 of them in France, and we're a lot harder on religion than the UK.
And despite stuff like this a number of people will continue to maintain that these attacks have nothing to do with Islam. These guys believe they are doing god's work.
The Manchester bomber went to a Mosque that actively denounced ISIS and the community raised concerns about the perpatrator to the authorities.
I think the important distinction is that they're not part of mainstream Islam.
Bad analogy but it'll do for now:
There are poisonous breeds of frog.
Doesn't mean we have to be afraid of all frogs.
Stereogatari
Banned
This is it. But it's not even societal rejection. It's mostly percieved societal rejection in my opinion.
You know how there are minorities who blame everything on "The White man"? That's what these guys are like, but there are active global violent organisations they can tie that hatred to if they fall into the wrong circles or whatever.
I know it's a religion thing, but a lot of Islamism (whether of the extremist type or not) feels like it is a "Brown Nationalism" for those of non-white Muslim backgrounds to latch onto a sense of identity in the modern globalised World.
And it's more often than not Muslims from ethnic groups with a low sense of national/ethnic identity that fall prey to this.
Take my ethnic group for instance. Turks have a strong strong sense of ethnic identity and nationality. Turkishness and Muslimness are absolutely distinct. So it's very difficult for young Turks growing up in the West to fall prey to this stuff because they grow up with a solid sense of Turkishness and aren't left searching for an identity. Also FWIW Turks tend to not identify as Brown or as being discriminated against by White majority, which can effect how much they fall prey to Islamism (I think Turks from Germany for example have a more fragile sense of identity compared to this, so Islamism is higher among them than British Turks).
Pakistani background people seem much much more tied to their Islamicness. Perhaps as it is their Islamicness which makes them what they are and distinct from Hindus/Slkhs. So Islam in turn becomes more of a focal point for British Pakistanis and Islamism can more easily take root in the youth.
I'm just thinking out loud here based on my observations as a British Turk that grew up among British Pakistanis.
If it turns out that the attackers were known to the authorities then anybody currently on the watch list should be instantly and indefinitely detained until further notice.
It's fairly understandable that it's currently too expensive to monitor those on said list 24/7 and resources are too stretched as it is. Detaining those on the watch list would certainly be more viable than trying to keep an eye on potential threats. It also prevents them from communicating with others/travelling to Syria etc.
It's fairly understandable that it's currently too expensive to monitor those on said list 24/7 and resources are too stretched as it is. Detaining those on the watch list would certainly be more viable than trying to keep an eye on potential threats. It also prevents them from communicating with others/travelling to Syria etc.
maniac-kun
Member
Its horrible what happened but they only do this because they are losing the war. They also accomplish nothing with these attacks. Its just pointless.
And in prisons.
ronaldthump
Member
extremism =/= islam
holygeesus
Banned
Reports that a bystander was shot and killed by police in the bar featured in the twitter video previously. Seems unconfirmed but you can understand mistakes happening in such chaos 
Do you understand how many Muslims there are in the world? Do you think if this was a religion based issue that the world could even function? ~1/6 people are Muslim, do you see 1.6 billion people condoning these attacks?
But that doesn't mean it [Islam] has nothing to do with it. This is something I've heard (in recent weeks) young British-born Muslims emphatically say when phoning into radio shows. It might be an abhorrent variant, but these guys and ISIL have found justification for their actions and worldview in the Quran.
Summer Haze
Banned
So, is this another one that could've been easily prevented like the Manchester attack? Did authorities know about the perps beforehand?
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
You contradict yourself: "These guys believe they are doing god's work", meaning they aren't but believe they are opposed to "[people believe] that these attacks have nothing to do with Islam". You yourself are saying it has nothing to do with religion. That it's just people doing it and blaming it on religion to justify their wants to inflict harm.
There are really bad people in the world and they'll use every excuse available to them in order to justify being the way they are. Religion is just an excuse. If all it took was a bit of scripture to turn good people bad then I think their "goodness" should be questioned. Bad people doing bad things, that is what this is. I wish they would all bugger off and leave the rest of us alone.
What even is your point ? Something can exist without being the only thing that exists you know, or even the majority.
They are the equivalent of the kkk in religious mentality, just a hell of a lot more of them. Christians managed to push the kkk back.
Islam is the only hope of stopping this but it's too damn fractured as a religion. It's dozens of competing religions within one religion with no leader. There's no chance.
ronaldthump
Member
too early to tell
Memento_Mori15
Member
So besides wiki leaks, does anyone have another source that confirms this?
He's attributing these attacks to Islam and its teachings. Don't generalize these attacks onto the greater Muslim population.
Stereogatari
Banned
It does make me wonder if Atatürk kept the Caliph sitting in Istanbul as a ceremonial role (as was the case for the first year of the Turkish Republic) could that have been used as Islam's equivelant of a Pope and counter Saudis unchallenged role as de facto leader of Islam.
Define "easily prevented?"
If you mean setting up a new Guantanamo bay and incarcerating anyone who is reported as a risk, then sure.
Angelus Errare
Banned
That's...certainly one completely divorced from history way to look at it I guess.
I don't think there is anything in the Quran saying "murder other muslims" yet other muslisms are the main target of ISIS.
No, this is carelessly dismissive. There are motives behind every attack, some clearer than others. In terrorist instances like this it is almost always a fear and hatred of Western culture expressed as jihad.
Audioboxer
Member
This is true. Prisons essentially become recruitment camps. It's leading to things like this out of desperation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37151089
https://www.theguardian.com/society...urham-jail-first-to-have-terrorists-only-wing
Imagine if the church accepted the kkk as it's role model...
This is what's happening with these nutters, certain factions of Islam believe this is what God wants and there's no Islamic pope to say otherwise.
Mohonky
Member
How do you prevent it though?
You need to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt these people are going to do something before they do it. Otherwise they just keep getting away with it.
Of course you could lock up people you suspect of plotting to doing something but if what you have is vague at best, you end up with people being marginalised and discriminated against. At that point you might as well lock up any Muslim as a potential threat.
One of the largest reasons Saudi Arabia was able to form and become a country was due to the Al Saud family working closely with the Wahhabi warriors to take over other tribes and instill their power. They could give two shits about Islam, they just wanted power, and the way to get control over the vast Arabian Desert was working with the very islamic wahhabi sect. The Al Saud family had to convince the Wahhabi clerics to allow technology and the way they did that was through showing them that it could be used to spread prayers and teachings. So no, that wouldn't have made a difference.
MisterFalcon
Member
Shia are not muslims to them, they are the worst kind of heretics to turn away from their faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_fatwas_on_Shias
hydragonwarrior
Member
They're just after chaos and eventually that religious war which is ultimately something like all of Muslim faith vs all of Christian faith.
The more they can get people against Muslim communities and force them out, the more cornered and desperate they become and I believe ISIS is hoping they sway to ppl to their own side and cause a mass separation which incites a true us vs them war.
Hopefully this never happens, but I'm not going to lie apparently the world is really sucking ass at eliminating ISIS and it's propaganda effectively.
And why not?
We are at war with these people and we need to start acting like it and fight back.
If this attack ends up being by those "known to the authorities" - AGAIN - then for me its a final straw. Every single person in this country who is "known" in this way should be rounded up as a matter of national urgency.
People are super quick to say this isn't a Muslim/Islam issue and I agree with you. So if we are all agreed that this is a disgusting, dangerous sub set of people who exist separately from other religions and organisations, and we potentially have a known list of those at risk of carrying out their threats, surely we need to take swift, decisive and radical action against those people?
Again - stop generalizing this shit. There are Shia in a lot of Sunni majority countries living side by side. In fact when the attack on a mosque in Kuwait happened, both Shia and Sunni Muslims started to pray in each others Mosques in a show of solidarity knowing that ISIS wanted to create havoc and hatred between one another.
No, he's saying islamic terrorism doesn't have "nothing to do with Islam" as certain people like to say over and over.
We are not at war. These people are, but it's unrequited. They would love for us to be at war because it will give their mission credence.