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Tesla sales tank in Europe as stock drops 40% in a month
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AJUMP23
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I said media and then you say what about these countries and this specific incident not related to the media.
I am all for shutting down multiple government agencies, especially USAID, and the Department of Education. And many others as well. Will when you are doing this stuff some things happen that are bad, certainly. It is unfortunate, but the American government has grown too large and too unchecked in its reach and needs to be culled. Tragic that some bad things will happen. I even think some of the cutting could affect my lively hood. But I will figure it out if it does.
As far as these other countries, they have lived off the American trade of we will Tariff you but you will free trade us for too long. The EU has lived off the security of US defense, without contributing much for a while. So they need to expand their defensive strength. Canada has had a free ride living next to the US. the Mayor threatening to tariff US electricity sales was abhorrent, and he backed off of it. Canada has put high Tariffs on US imports for years, and we have funded their government spending with it. Why should the US continue to do that. Compete fairly. Let US products into your economies at the same price we let your products into ours. I think that is a reasonable thing to ask.
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Punished Miku
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Punished Miku
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The media is mostly downplaying it, not performatively outraged. They haven't shown a single Bernie rally on the news despite record breaking crowds. They don't highlight any protests. Fox news and all right wing media is tepidly criticizing stock market declines. Washington Post had most of their editorial staff resign because criticizing the oligarchy is now off limits, per Jeff Bezos. Musk has not been subjected to a single hostile interview. You're just not living in the same reality I am.I said media and then you say what about these countries and this specific incident not related to the media.
I am all for shutting down multiple government agencies, especially USAID, and the Department of Education. And many others as well. Will when you are doing this stuff some things happen that are bad, certainly. It is unfortunate, but the American government has grown too large and too unchecked in its reach and needs to be culled. Tragic that some bad things will happen. I even think some of the cutting could affect my lively hood. But I will figure it out if it does.
As far as these other countries, they have lived off the American trade of we will Tariff you but you will free trade us for too long. The EU has lived off the security of US defense, without contributing much for a while. So they need to expand their defensive strength. Canada has had a free ride living next to the US. the Mayor threatening to tariff US electricity sales was abhorrent, and he backed off of it. Canada has put high Tariffs on US imports for years, and we have funded their government spending with it. Why should the US continue to do that. Compete fairly. Let US products into your economies at the same price we let your products into ours. I think that is a reasonable thing to ask.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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So, left wing people become right wing and vice versa, depending on who's in charge?
I see.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Well know, it just depends on who is saying it. If their guy is saying it it is good, if it is the other people guy it is bad. Not about the message just the messenger. Plenty of Dems have said they wanted to reduce waste and fraud.
StabbyStabStabStabStab
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Ehhhhh, the majority of soldiers in WW2 were draftees/conscripts, i.e. forced labor. Not sure you wanna die on that hill of comparing folks choosing to work for the government with those FORCED to.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Or, maybe more importantly, it's the way you say things and the way you do things? Or is it just you either go scorched earth or you're pro waste and fraud?
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Punished Miku
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By changing what taxes we collect to ones that can't be skimped out on.
The morass of "income tax" craziness is what allows a lot of folks (billionaire class) to shelter their money. Otherwise it's mostly just the self-employed or those in a cash buisness that could mess with taxes. All of us collecting W-2s could have our taxes done 'for us' by a computer and we just tweak the few tax allowances (like kids, perhaps) thats specific to the individual and then file. No real need for thousands upon thousands of folks to be required to prepare taxes/audit taxes/collect for the vast majority of filers in the US.
Switching to tariff revenue and probably an EU style sales tax would largely eliminate the need to have most folks sweating income taxes at all.
sono
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Ups and downs. There seems a lot of fickle behaviour. Trump was duly elected by the American people only a few months back.
Musk gave us grok3 foc and those starship launches, both are something else.
On topic I am not keen on any electric cars bad range and capital cost is way too high compared to gas cars
Musk gave us grok3 foc and those starship launches, both are something else.
On topic I am not keen on any electric cars bad range and capital cost is way too high compared to gas cars
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XXL
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People are celebrating burning citizens personal property (who have nothing to do with this) in this very thread.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The delivery has a lot to do with it. Certainly people do not like the way Trump delivers a message. And they use to love the way Elon did it, until he hitched a ride with Trump.
I don't know if it is more important to say things the right way or to do things that are right. You can say something terrible and do the right thing. You can have great marketing over terrible stuff. US government does it all the time, great marketing bad actions.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Elog
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We are now getting close to get this thread closed. However, the problem is that your statement is factually incorrect.
Taking countries with weird basic material/oil deposits out of the equation (e.g., Saudia-Arabia, Kuweit), there are two major imbalances in the world economy: Chinese trade of goods/services with the rest of the world (benefits China) and that surplus investment end up in the US (benefits the US).
Trade balance consists of goods, services and investment (i.e., money). US and EU has for example balance when looking at goods and services. However, the picture with China looks very different (see second paragraph) for both US and EU.
Investment imbalances are accounted for in a strange way. Every country wants additional investment but it will be booked as a deficit to trade. The US has a huge inflow of foreign capital that keeps the US interest rates low and investment in for example factories high. This is a major benefit for Americans.
The biggest threat to the US economy right now is that the rest of the world stops putting surplus investment into the US economy. That would set off a sequence of very bad events for Americans. With the rapid policy shifts and the undermining of rule of law, this threat is real and would be very painful for Americans.
Agree. It is important to note that this was the wanted position/policy of all US administrations until very recently though. There was a major question mark around continental Europe arming itself. After the second world war there was a major rift with De Gaulle because he armed France. The US only wanted the UK to have significant armed forces while France, Spain, Italy and in particular Germany should only have had anaemic forces with bases and so on that the US and UK could link up to in case of conflict (with Russia).
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StreetsofBeige
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That kind of shit (trashing stores, mobbing, chaining themselves to a post, burning cars etc....) are a very left wing thing. For some reason, when things dont go their way they amp up going mental.
People are celebrating burning citizens personal property (who have nothing to do with this) in this very thread.
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XXL
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It's crazy because they actually think the general population is going to side with them on it.
They really do have an issue thinking things through to the end reality.
Some of these people online (and the people commiting domestic terrorism) are acting like they want a civil war with Right wingers or to go to war with the US. Lol.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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It's crazy because they actually think the general population is going to side with them on it.
They really do have an issue thinking things through to the end reality.
Some of these people online (and the people commiting domestic terrorism) are acting like they want a civil war with Right wingers or to go to war with the US. Lol.
Don't worry. I'm not a fan of the ones going around destroying property and comitting vandalism. Serves no purpose other than providing a poor avenue for deflection as you've done.
Zathalus
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Hey, at least itās not trying to overthrow the government.
Punished Miku
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... again *
StreetsofBeige
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Thats ok. It lasted 1 day and then everything was back to normal. Seattle had a CHOP zone where angry people took over blocks of buildings and even their democrat gov didnt feel like doing anything about it for a month.
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Punished Miku
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Yeah, we had threads about it here. It was trashed nonstop by virtually everyone, left and right. Everyone on here but like 2 people defended Kyle Rittinhouse even. There were streams every night and we all cheered on the police busts.
Imagine going along with something far worse just because of team loyalty.
StreetsofBeige
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It actually helps republicans when they go mental because every social media site and TV channel shows the looting, burning or people clogging streets protesting it just pisses off the masses. And whenever theres a big thing going on (ie. big mobs causing trouble), every news station shows it no matter what part of the spectrum they are on.100%
It's crazy because they actually think the general population is going to side with them on it.
They really do have an issue thinking things through to the end reality.
Some of these people online (and the people commiting domestic terrorism) are acting like they want a civil war with Right wingers or to go to war with the US. Lol.
They claim to represent a side, but in reality only in name only. Most democrats arent far left leaning. Most people are going to be moderate to some degree, not far left or far right. But because even the wacky people claim to be democrats they all get bucketed the same whether they like it or not because in the US there's only two parties. Even their politicians skew to hard left leaning topics, so even on stage the politicians have a new definition and face of liberals. It's not moderate Bill Clinton and Obama going on TV talking boring business and economy topics thats for sure.
Hudo
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VW are working on the ID.every1 (shit name), which is a car they should've released in 2019, imho. But better late than never, I guess.
And if you want a good electric sports car, you're far better off with a Porsche Taycan. Renault are also doing some good electric vehicles for every-day usage.
So there are other and better options out there than Tesla.
And if you want a good electric sports car, you're far better off with a Porsche Taycan. Renault are also doing some good electric vehicles for every-day usage.
So there are other and better options out there than Tesla.
f~N_CH_1:3:3:3_SushiBoat
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We have a Tesla dealership just a few blocks down from us. A handful of activistis with "HONK IF YOU HATE ELON" and "ELONS A NAZI" blah blah blah. No one gives a shit. If i wasnt buying a house at the moment id be tempted to roll out of there with a model 3 just for the gratification of seeing them flip out.
StabbyStabStabStabStab
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I wouldn't do that - you may find someone comes along and pours custard on your windscreen or some other equally heinious act of terror.
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XXL
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They're literally are doing the exact same routine that has led to Trump winning every swing state, the house, the senate and the popular vote.
Now they're re-escalating to domestic terrorism.....and think the public is going to side with them.
I mean, when you're on the same side as Resetera on issues like this.....you done fucked up.
XXL
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Along with a few assassination attempts on Trump....with a side of blowing up a few Cybertrucks in front of his buildings in mostly peaceful "protest".
Punished Miku
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Have you read anything about either of those incidents or the people behind them? Maybe you should.
You're doing a great job of justifying any kind of lawless response you want though. I mean dang, sounds like you or anyone you like are literally entitled to do basically anything you can think of and it's just evening the score. They should just give you guys little cards to keep in your wallet that say "get out of jail free," redeem x4 and counting.
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FullMetalx117
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False narrative - plenty of people are crazy. You got plenty of right wingers storming the capital, using cybertrucks as bombs, random hate crimes against minorities, etc.
You only believe this either because you just don't care to look or you don't want to see negatives with your "team"
Punished Miku
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I've never endorsed anything criminal. I'm not defending any of it. You are, repeatedly along with
StreetsofBeige
. That's you bud. We're pointing out illegal activity and all you are doing is responding with other incidents to even up the scoreboard. You're an apologist for lawbreaking as long as you like it. I'm not and you won't find anything I wrote saying that I am. The only reason to bring up other incidents is to say your favorite illegal activity is fine because others do illegal stuff too. That's you defending it, changing the subject, obfuscating. That's how REE people think by the way. Police did something horrible so my illegal stuff is justified in response. Team sports above all else is who you are. Above laws, above the country itself, just tribalism.
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XXL
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We know, we know.....Right wingers are the one's who want to kill Trump.
That must be why almost all the districts shifted red and he gained with every demographic.
They must be the one's fire bombing Teslas too.
FullMetalx117
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Kings Field
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Big Elon fan. He sent me three $100 checks for pledging my support during election time.
Iād never buy an EV though. Nothing beats tracking a 10 cylinder snake.
Iād never buy an EV though. Nothing beats tracking a 10 cylinder snake.
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Kings Field
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Also, a few weeks ago someone brought their Cybertruck to our local cars and coffee. Itās a niche product. I thought I would like them a lot more but after seeing one up close it doesnāt really do anything for me. Whistlindisael did a destruction video of one and the tow hitch isnāt even secured to the frame.
IntentionalPun
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The āleftā was super against all kinds of things Biden was doing, Palestine for instance.
This idea that the left just blindly follows Democratic leaders is absurd. Itās kind if the entire point of being progressive. They also called Obama to task for his stance on gay marriage when he was first in office and you never heard the end of the complaints about his ādroneā warmongering.
a'la mode
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For sure, Taycan is stunning, and Audi's got some too like the e-tron GT. Gorgeous design.
They make Teslas look like a boring family sedans from Nissan.
XXL
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That's strange the Model S Plaid beat the Taycan lap times at the NĆ¼rburgring Nordschleife by 8 secs (and holds the record).
You can't be better at being a electric sports car than being #1.....by a wide margin.
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Does any EV hold it's value compared to an equivalent ICE car? Seems like the battery exhaustion problem would be like every ICE car needing a total engine rebuild every 10 years, or at least the bill for all the maintenace only coming due in that time, whether you were the original owner or not.
Itās a problem for all EVs yes.
~200k new in 2021 typically equipped, dealership canāt get rid of it for $99k now:
I think I like the BMW style of hybrid where the electric motor is a boost to the ICE. The new(er) M340i has this. Versus a weak ICE and much larger EV like the 330e where you run out of performance once the EV is drained. Barring select environments like urban stop and go where an EV can really shine over ICE (with low dust brake pads, anyway, as that is the major inner city contaminant) I'm ICE all the way. The hydrogen engines are just ICE without the emissions, right? Seems good for public transport where that fuel infrastructure can be built. Not sure I want local gas stations loaded with liquid hydrogen or whatever.
XXL
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The amount you save between maintenance and fuel, more than covers the cost of any maintenance you would require after 8-10 years. The battery is covered for 8 years or a certain amount of mileage.
For example, I spend around $40 home charging the Model Y per month and I drive it all the time.
I haven't spent a dime on maintenance in the few years I've owned one. The only things I've done are add washer fluid and filters.
The amount of savings long term vs ICE vehicles is the main benefit that offsets major long term repairs, imo.
Also, it's not like the battery is going to just die at the 10 year point, it will just degrade and even at 60-70% it would still be an extremely cheap and functional city car for general driving, you just wouldn't want to go long distances.
ProtoByte
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Obviously not by itself. Duh. Like, what are we talking about here?
Less taxes hopefully means less permissibility to spend. I don't see a problem with that.
Or, how about this: since you're so invested in cutting a big chunk of the federal budget, how about we start gutting the hilariously redistributionist welfare state? A slim majority of American households aren't even paying income tax.
Punished Miku
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That's the kind of thing people can vote on. No one campaigned on cutting Social Security and Medicare so no one voted on it.
Personally, I think it's well worth it. Fund it with taxpayer money and get it into the hands of people who need it for absolute basics. All that money gets spent on essentials and re-enters the economy, which helps stimulate economic growth. Money in the hands of a concentrated minority results in a lot less economic activity because they have nothing else to buy. We barely have a welfare state, so I have no clue why you're calling it hilariously redistributive. Income inequality has practically never been higher. It's just objectively in the data if you look.
But all that maintenance cost savings is meaningless to the next owner who now is facing a MASSIVE battery replacement charge.
And for virtually all EVs that are now 8-10 years old, 60-70% max range would leave them even MORE disadvantaged to new/recent EVs, I'd think, hence the high depreciation. Max range on ICE cars has been fairly static for past few decades within similar car models, and all of them would leave an older ICE car sorely lacking. The "it's just my inner city putter" argument, while probably valid for some, severely restricts the market. I think this issue will resolve itself in the future, but for now it's a real problem.
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