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[Chittagong]

I appreciate Musk and what Tesla has done to the world, but when it came down to buying my first ever car, the stories of Kia like build quality put me off for going Tesla. Instead I decided to go for a fully electric Mini, for that BMW build quality. The range is much shorter, but I live on a small island so the battery allows me to do four laps around the island.

If I had a need for a fancier car, I would probably go with a fully electric BMW, Audi or Porsche.

 

[BlackM1st]

You don't have to be breathing your exhaust fumes,you're putting that shit out into the air. You don't seem to understand the difference between any of those things or you're trolling. I suggest you'd change your lifestyle if you think sleeping for 8 hours a day or not drinking coffee is somehow impossible.

Ok man

 

[ParaSeoul]

for that BMW build quality.

 

[gundalf]

I don't know, despite all the negatives I kind of still want a M3 but I'm in Europe and Tesla ships there the Shanghai produced models which for some reason have much higher build quality (at least that's what I picked up reading several European tesla forums).

 

[Tams]

So as an example on my model 3. To turn on the wipers manually I can press the left stalk. You clearly haven’t driven a Tesla to get an understanding of how much useless shit there is in a car dashboard.

The modern driving experience should be to sit there and stare at the road. Wtf I gotta fiddle with wipers. In the case the auto sensor doesn’t work I can manually trigger it. Driving a Tesla is the least distracting experience I’ve had driving. With regenerative braking I don’t even really use the brake pedal too much.

this thread is like a typical neogaf apple thread. A bunch of non-owners laying down opinions without haven’t ever driven a Tesla. There’s legitimate problems with teslas such as the infotainment or sharing the car with your spouse. But the fakers here aren’t going to touch on that

If you think all that is useless shit, then you clearly don't know how to drive properly. Even if you're driving an automatic it can tell you if everything is normal or not.

And you shouldn't be 'staring at the road'. Good thing your car does most of the driving for you.

 

[Paasei]

I wouldn’t know. EVs are not made for common folk yet. Too out of reach.

 

[usctrojan]

i was going to buy one but one panel gap was 3mm off. i had to be taken to the hospital immediately.

 

[nocsi]

If you think all that is useless shit, then you clearly don't know how to drive properly. Even if you're driving an automatic it can tell you if everything is normal or not.

And you shouldn't be 'staring at the road'. Good thing your car does most of the driving for you.

My last car was a 2014 WRX STI. I came from a manual car and somehow I’m loving the driving experience of staring at the road and slightly moving my right foot. There isn’t an engine in the Tesla, do you get that? Wtf do I need to know from my car? FYI, I’m in my 30s, I have never been in an accident in my life and I’ve driven over 500,000 miles. But again.. feel free to tell me what I shouldn’t be doing. Let me know what exactly could be wrong with my car that I need random shit on the dashboard to let me know. Like an oil leak or something? Or maybe my non-existent engine is overheating?

You’re more than welcome to come back at me with something concrete. Otherwise it looks like whatever it is I’m doing, it seems to be working. Mind you I never even test-drove a tesla before I bought one. My experience with my model 3 was so good, I bought a model X too. It’s amazing how people can have strong opinions on things w/o actually taking their heads out of the sand

 

[ResilientBanana]

Yep, Tesla is shit. Take a look at Rivian or Lucid once they start mass production.

A car that's pretty common is worse than cars that aren't mass produced? This logic doesn't make sense.

EDIT: Lucid's car starts at $77k (USD) the Rivian starts at $67K (USD) and $77K (USD) for their models. At least tesla isn't that stupid and has a vehicle available for at least $40K (USD).

 

[ParaSeoul]

I wouldn’t know. EVs are not made for common folk yet. Too out of reach.

Just do what Norway does and common folk everywhere can have an EV

 

[Coolwhhip]

I appreciate Musk and what Tesla has done to the world, but when it came down to buying my first ever car, the stories of Kia like build quality put me off for going Tesla. Instead I decided to go for a fully electric Mini, for that BMW build quality. The range is much shorter, but I live on a small island so the battery allows me to do four laps around the island.

If I had a need for a fancier car, I would probably go with a fully electric BMW, Audi or Porsche.

The funny thing is, the next Mini model is fully made in China.

China is really taking over the entire car world right now. Western car companies should be very worried.

 

[SlimySnake]

At work today, my coworkers and I were discussing Toyotas decision to go all in on EV. My coworker made a comment that Toyota was going destroy Tesla since Teslas are poorly made and problematic.

That caught me off guard. With all the hype around Tesla, I had personally never heard that.

So is it really just show offs that are buying them?

lol I heard the same arguments over the iPhone. Especially in the nerd community in my Comp Sci classes. I still remember one kid getting smacked down by a professor for saying the iPhone was crap and will soon be outdated when other manufacturers come out with their smartphones. Professor's argument was very simple; if the competition was so great then why did they not invent the damn thing?

Tesla is a bit rough around the edges, but it will always be ahead of the pack when it comes to EV. It will have the brand recognition. The prestige. And the fact that they were first.

 

[Hari Seldon]

The thing Tesla has going for it is that it is a tech company first and not an automotive company. Maybe things are different in Germany, but in the US engineers are not breaking down the door to work in Detroit for half the salary of Tesla in Texas.

 

[Sosokrates]

Its got better. But there not as consistent as the companies with decades of experience. But they do have advantages over other EVs. They have the best charger network, they have a very good interface + OS. They also have the best self driving stack, they are a few years ahead of other companies in this area.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

lol I heard the same arguments over the iPhone. Especially in the nerd community in my Comp Sci classes. I still remember one kid getting smacked down by a professor for saying the iPhone was crap and will soon be outdated when other manufacturers come out with their smartphones. Professor's argument was very simple; if the competition was so great then why did they not invent the damn thing?

Tesla is a bit rough around the edges, but it will always be ahead of the pack when it comes to EV. It will have the brand recognition. The prestige. And the fact that they were first.

I doubt Tesla will every match Toyota’s quality control. Toyota’s quality system essentially revolutionized the way QC is done across various industries, and their hybrid/electric designs have decades behind them now. When they push full EVs, their build quality will no doubt put Teslas to shame.

Style? Performance? Other metrics? Might not match Tesla, but Toyotas are incredibly reliable because their company culture puts quality first.

 

[poppabk]

lol I heard the same arguments over the iPhone. Especially in the nerd community in my Comp Sci classes. I still remember one kid getting smacked down by a professor for saying the iPhone was crap and will soon be outdated when other manufacturers come out with their smartphones. Professor's argument was very simple; if the competition was so great then why did they not invent the damn thing?

Tesla is a bit rough around the edges, but it will always be ahead of the pack when it comes to EV. It will have the brand recognition. The prestige. And the fact that they were first.

They weren't the first, the Prius came out in 1997.

 

[Coolwhhip]

They weren't the first, the Prius came out in 1997.

We had electric cars in the early 1900s.

 

[TheMan]

My plan is to rent a Tesla in the spring off Turo to see what the hype is about. My wife kind of wants one. Personally, I'm going to get one more ICE manual (maybe the next gen STI or an M2) and then go electric myself.

 

[G-Bus]

Waiting for the industry to mature a little more before jumping in. I too have heard Tesla's kind of suck.

Fact Toyota is going all in now has me excited. Tacoma EV yes please.

 

[Hardensoul]

My plan is to rent a Tesla in the spring off Turo to see what the hype is about. My wife kind of wants one. Personally, I'm going to get one more ICE manual (maybe the next gen STI or an M2) and then go electric myself.

What is this, seem we have Sti fanboys in this thread! I and nocsi both were thinking of getting Sti before we bought a Tesla.

Try to sign up for a Test drive appointment on the Tesla site! It’s what won me over! The rep just hand over the keycard and let us drive unsupervised for 30mins!

 

[Great Hair]

unsure if true

Spoiler: source

Not sure what the video of exploding Tesla was supposed prove. They said they removed the Batteries for that experiment!

Just sharing that sick slo-mo explosion, nothing else.

 

[Hardensoul]

unsure if true

Spoiler: source

Not sure what the video of exploding Tesla was supposed prove. They said they removed the Batteries for that experiment!

 

[Hardensoul]

unsure if true

Spoiler: source

Just sharing that sick slo-mo explosion, nothing else.

Yea, they did have some cool shots of the explosion!

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

I like Fisker more.

 

[Great Hair]

Teslas are bad, but Rex Viper is badder.

Spoiler: lol

Not sure what the video of exploding Tesla was supposed prove. They said they removed the Batteries for that experiment!

apparently the reason for this was the owner not being happy with the cost of replacing the battery pack. Hence the sacrifice.

Unhappy With Tesla's Service, Man Blows Up Car With 30 kg Dynamite in Finland | Watch

Katainen said the car was facing some issues and Tesla told him it would cost at least €20,000 to replace the entire battery pack. Since there was no warranty available, Katainen said he decided to blow the car up.

www.india.com

 

[Hardensoul]

Teslas are bad, but Rex Viper is badder.

Spoiler: lol

apparently the reason for this was the owner not being happy with the cost of replacing the battery pack. Hence the sacrifice.

Unhappy With Tesla's Service, Man Blows Up Car With 30 kg Dynamite in Finland | Watch

Katainen said the car was facing some issues and Tesla told him it would cost at least €20,000 to replace the entire battery pack. Since there was no warranty available, Katainen said he decided to blow the car up.

www.india.com

Battery pack is heart of Teslas’ and all EVs. Yea, they pretty expensive 15k to 20k.

 

[Great Hair]

Main reason why every EV car sucks!

 

[Tams]

My last car was a 2014 WRX STI. I came from a manual car and somehow I’m loving the driving experience of staring at the road and slightly moving my right foot. There isn’t an engine in the Tesla, do you get that? Wtf do I need to know from my car? FYI, I’m in my 30s, I have never been in an accident in my life and I’ve driven over 500,000 miles. But again.. feel free to tell me what I shouldn’t be doing. Let me know what exactly could be wrong with my car that I need random shit on the dashboard to let me know. Like an oil leak or something? Or maybe my non-existent engine is overheating?

You’re more than welcome to come back at me with something concrete. Otherwise it looks like whatever it is I’m doing, it seems to be working. Mind you I never even test-drove a tesla before I bought one. My experience with my model 3 was so good, I bought a model X too. It’s amazing how people can have strong opinions on things w/o actually taking their heads out of the sand

You're welcome to keep your terrible interior (for the price), poor QC, and dangerous controls. As to why you should know more about your vehicle? Because it is a mass of metal that can easily kill people if not properly maintained, and a professional isn't going to be the one looking out for problems most of the time. It's not a phone where at the very worst it'll turn into a small fire in your pocket.

And we haven't even touched upon what will happen to Teslas (and other EVs) when the battery packs eventually wear out. That 'no maintenance'? Yeah, there's still a lot of parts that experience wear and stress. What about the poor smuck who ends up getting an EV used?

EVs aren't terrible. They have their significant advantages. But they aren't the magic bullet that people like you seem to think they are. They are a luxury, and for that price Tesla's don't even deliver in many regards.

 

[Coolwhhip]

You're welcome to keep your terrible interior (for the price) and dangerous controls. As to why you should know more about your vehicle? Because it is a mass of metal that can easily kill people if not properly maintained, and a professional isn't going to be the one looking out for problems most of the time. It's not a phone where at the very worst it'll turn into a small fire in your pocket.

And we haven't even touched upon what will happen to Teslas (and other EVs) when the battery packs eventually wear out. That 'no maintenance'? Yeah, there's still a lot of parts that experience wear and stress. What about the poor smuck who ends up getting an EV used?

EVs aren't terrible. They have their significant advantages. But they aren't the magic bullet that people like you seem to think they are. They are a luxury, and for that price Tesla's don't even deliver in many regards.

EVs mainly have huge advantages. And the downsides are rapidly disappearing due to technological improvements. Range and charging speeds for example, there are batteries on the way already that will make huge improvements there. As for batteries degrading, that's true, but I think it takes long enough for the car around it to be worth much less or worthless even at that point too. And you even have Chinese EV brands like Nio that made the battery swappable, in less than a minute.

 

[Tams]

EVs mainly have huge advantages. And the downsides are rapidly disappearing due to technological improvements. Range and charging speeds for example, there are batteries on the way already that will make huge improvements there. As for batteries degrading, that's true, but I think it takes long enough for the car around it to be worth much less or worthless even at that point too. And you even have Chinese EV brands like Nio that made the battery swappable, in less than a minute.

Those aren't the problems.

There haven't been rapid improvements in battery technology. It's still the same fundamental stuff. There are promising other chemistries for batteries, but they've been teased for years now and seem nowhere closer to general availability.

No, the problems with EVs are:

• What to do with the batteries after they have degraded too much.
• The economics of replacing batteries. A whole vehicles worth are the price of a decent ICE vehicle at the moment.
  • Bearing in mind that most people do not buy new vehicles every 5-10 years and that used cars make up a considerable amount of vehicle ownership.
• If everyone moves to EVs in the numbers that use ICE vehicles, along with other energy uses moving to electricity, will there be enough power generation.

The prices of EVs need to come down an awful lot and the cost to keep them going needs to come down relatively even more, if we are to keep the same level of vehicle ownership that we have now. And if we are to change socially, then we need to make sure that we don't end up isolating and disenfranchising people due to lack of transport options.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Main reason why every EV car sucks!

Not all EVs though. Audi etron for example has real buttons.

Also, this is unfortunately a direction the auto industry is heading, EV or otherwise. Hopefully a temporary one. See VW's latest GTI. Touch screen = less parts, less $$$, looks nicer in the showroom.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Those aren't the problems.

There haven't been rapid improvements in battery technology. It's still the same fundamental stuff. There are promising other chemistries for batteries, but they've been teased for years now and seem nowhere closer to general availability.

No, the problems with EVs are:

• What to do with the batteries after they have degraded too much.
• The economics of replacing batteries. A whole vehicles worth are the price of a decent ICE vehicle at the moment.
  • Bearing in mind that most people do not buy new vehicles every 5-10 years and that used cars make up a considerable amount of vehicle ownership.
• If everyone moves to EVs in the numbers that use ICE vehicles, along with other energy uses moving to electricity, will there be enough power generation.

The prices of EVs need to come down an awful lot and the cost to keep them going needs to come down relatively even more, if we are to keep the same level of vehicle ownership that we have now. And if we are to change socially, then we need to make sure that we don't end up isolating and disenfranchising people due to lack of transport options.

Most of the problems you listed have been solved already. But the industry has shifted already anyway, ICE will be dead way before 2030.

 

[nocsi]

You're welcome to keep your terrible interior (for the price), poor QC, and dangerous controls. As to why you should know more about your vehicle? Because it is a mass of metal that can easily kill people if not properly maintained, and a professional isn't going to be the one looking out for problems most of the time. It's not a phone where at the very worst it'll turn into a small fire in your pocket.

I think you’re mistaken and come off as having some sort of agenda. I’ll say that you have a lot of criticisms for someone that doesn’t even look like they own an EV. But I’ll try and address some of your points

Let’s talk QC since that’s a common jab on Tesla. The model Y and model 3 lines have recently changed to their new process. Myself I didn’t have any problems with my car when we took delivery 2 months ago. No gaps or any interior issues. Not sure what you’re talking about with dangerous controls. Sounds like more bs. You understand the actual structure of a Tesla will protect the fuck out of you in an accident right? There’s no engine. I specifically chose teslas for safety, it’s the first car Ive own that has baby seat anchors.

Also small fire via battery… ok you have gas in your car or no? Keep grasping

And we haven't even touched upon what will happen to Teslas (and other EVs) when the battery packs eventually wear out. That 'no maintenance'? Yeah, there's still a lot of parts that experience wear and stress. What about the poor smuck who ends up getting an EV used?

There are lithium recycling programs within Tesla and outside of. The industry has actually been growing in this area. And what wear and tear? Teslas are pretty much a computer, cameras, battery and wheels.

As for lifespan, teslas can easily handle 10 years. What can you say about ICE cars in 2022? There’s so much shit electronics and mechanics in them that it’s hard to say. My Tesla has had 3 updates in the two months I’ve owned it.

Lol that last sentence. Lot of feelings there

EVs aren't terrible. They have their significant advantages. But they aren't the magic bullet that people like you seem to think they are. They are a luxury, and for that price Tesla's don't even deliver in many regards.

I never called teslas a silver bullet. Nor luxury. This is all common talk from non owners. My dad ran an auto repair shop so I grew up helping him fix every car imaginable. Really just sit down and think about ICE cars and how much of a joke the old industry is. There are whole industries built around servicing these cars. Also fyi the value of my used Tesla just increased. How’s the value of your car?

 

[Great Hair]

ICE will be dead way before 2035

EU ICE phase out

icephaseout.org

If they haven´t changed it (again), they got 13 extra years to brainwash people. What they´re going to do is, keep adding tiny useless battery packs to an ICE car and get that way a "green pass" because PHEV are considered "green".

• an ICE car to manipulate the records (green report)
• more complicated, having 2 different "engines"
• Except for the Polestar 1, pretty much every PHEV has a tiny range in ev mode
• after 5? years it will have a 30% range drop (degradation, use) or more
• after 5? years you will not be given access to "green zones" in various cities
• after 5? years your "green car" morphs into a "polluter", EV range limited ..
• NEVER BUY A PHEV!

Dieselgate happened around 2015? VW and Renault (among others) got fined $30 billion in total, for roughly 650,000 cars. In EU these "dirty cars" were allowed to drive around for another 5+ years!

There are apparently still 9 milions of these bombs driving around in the EU. If the EU had punished VW, Renault ... VW prolly would have shut down their factories for good!

650,000 dirty cars in USA = $30 billion fine!
9,000,000 dirty cars still driving in the EU = ....Shhhh!

Dirty lies: how the car industry hid the truth about diesel emissions

The long read: The ‘Dieselgate’ scandal was suppressed for years – while we should have been driving electric cars

www.theguardian.com

 

[Coolwhhip]

EU ICE phase out

icephaseout.org

If they haven´t changed it (again), they got 13 extra years to brainwash people. What they´re going to do is, keep adding tiny useless battery packs to an ICE car and get that way a "green pass" because PHEV are considered "green".

• an ICE car to manipulate the records (green report)
• more complicated, having 2 different "engines"
• Except for the Polestar 1, pretty much every PHEV has a tiny range in ev mode
• after 5? years it will have a 30% range drop (degradation, use) or more
• after 5? years you will not be given access to "green zones" in various cities
• after 5? years your "green car" morphs into a "polluter", EV range limited ..
• NEVER BUY A PHEV!

Dieselgate happened around 2015? VW and Renault (among others) got fined $30 billion in total, for roughly 650,000 cars. In EU these "dirty cars" were allowed to drive around for another 5+ years!

There are apparently still 9 milions of these bombs driving around in the EU. If the EU had punished VW, Renault ... VW prolly would have shut down their factories for good!

650,000 dirty cars in USA = $30 billion fine!
9,000,000 dirty cars still driving in the EU = ....Shhhh!

Dirty lies: how the car industry hid the truth about diesel emissions

The long read: The ‘Dieselgate’ scandal was suppressed for years – while we should have been driving electric cars

www.theguardian.com

Yeah but it wont be dead because of governments, but because people want EVs. And in a few years they will be cheaper than ICE too, so there will be absolutely 0 reasons to buy ICE. Norway for example already has 90% EV sales.

 

[gundalf]

I'm thinking of buying a Model 3 Long Range, there is just something exciting about EVs in general and Telsa speaks the most to me.

 

[ParaSeoul]

So Teslas have a fart mode where they just make fart noises? Better feature would just be a mode that auto detects farts,makes a noise to cover them up and uses the blowers to get the stink out. Now theres a feature.

 

[Coolwhhip]

I'm thinking of buying a Model 3 Long Range, there is just something exciting about EVs in general and Telsa speaks the most to me.

I would probably wait a bit, prices might go down when the 2 new factories come online.

 

[Paltheos]

Not all EVs though. Audi etron for example has real buttons.

Also, this is unfortunately a direction the auto industry is heading, EV or otherwise. Hopefully a temporary one. See VW's latest GTI. Touch screen = less parts, less $$$, looks nicer in the showroom.

Some other cars for sure. First example to come to mind is some of Porsche's new stuff. For reasons I can't understand they're shoehorning in touchscreen controls into so much of the car when the old haptic feedback stuff was already more comfortable (and usable) for the driver. One of the reasons I'd go with an e-tron over the Taycan, if given the choice.

 

[Hardensoul]

I would probably wait a bit, prices might go down when the 2 new factories come online.

It’s either get in waiting list now for March delivery(might have changed) in US. Or hope the supply chains improved for parts due/since Covid hit! Prices were coming down pre Covid. I got my Model 3 long range before prices rose.

 

[Croatoan]

There is an old south park episode about hybrid car owners being so full of themselves they like the smell of their own farts. Funny episode...

I have no idea if Tesla makes good cars but I can confirm that every Tesla owner loves the smell of thier own farts. So, yeah hopefully that helps.

 

[winterymint]

Just got the FSD beta finally. Loving the side view cameras that turn on whenever I use turn signal.

 

[gundalf]

There is an old south park episode about hybrid car owners being so full of themselves they like the smell of their own farts. Funny episode...

I have no idea if Tesla makes good cars but I can confirm that every Tesla owner loves the smell of thier own farts. So, yeah hopefully that helps.

Dude, what does writing something so stupid and childish add to this discussion? Don't you even cringe a little bit when reading your own words?

 

[Coolwhhip]

Just got the FSD beta finally. Loving the side view cameras that turn on whenever I use turn signal.

I watch a lot of FSD videos on youtube. It's super impressive, but I also have a feeling before this becomes 100% safe and legal, it might be a loooooong time.

 

[winterymint]

I watch a lot of FSD videos on youtube. It's super impressive, but I also have a feeling before this becomes 100% safe and legal, it might be a loooooong time.

I agree with you absolutely. Even the FSD beta notes it says that it will make mistakes and to keep hands on the steering wheels at all times. Even so, it really is a cool technology that I have waited since buying the car in 2018

 

[Croatoan]

Dude, what does writing something so stupid and childish add to this discussion? Don't you even cringe a little bit when reading your own words?

Lol, cant take a joke? Simmer down...

 

[DaleinCalgary]

1) if you hate squeaks and rattles do not but an electric vehicle

2) do not own one off warranty

3) I work on them

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Isn't build quality really only tested past 100k miles?

 

[Great Hair]

 

[Coolwhhip]

I looked at comments on an article about EVs on a regular news website today. I think I damaged my brain, the ignorance and stupidy is staggering.