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[gundalf]

I'm actually thinking of replacing my A-Class with either the next-gen C-Class or a Model 3. Just from the price, the M3 standard range is the best option at just 37,000€ (thanks to the German federal grant) while the base C-Class starts at 40,000€ and doesn't even have half the features of the M3.

 

[Azzurri]

They're just poorly built.

 

[Hardensoul]

can't say if they good or not, but I really hate its interior and its reliance on touch controls. Physical buttons will always be better than touch controls.

There are still physical buttons on Teslas, my Audi had millions of buttons and I don’t even know what all of them do!

What physical button that is so important that can’t be hidden on Tesla touchscreen?

You’re in the car to drive not fidget around buttons or the touch screen to distract you from driving!
Only thing that distracts me is when I have to change radio/music and occasion phone calls(which some states are illegal but hands free is ok)

 

[thefool]

I think that's an exaggeration.
Perhaps the build could be better for its price range. I would say their novelty has allowed them to push the price beyond what should be expected for the car you're getting. But they are not bad cars.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

There are still physical buttons on Teslas, my Audi had millions of buttons and I don’t even know what all of them do!

What physical button that is so important that can’t be hidden on Tesla touchscreen?

You’re in the car to drive not fidget around buttons or the touch screen to distract you from driving!
Only thing that distracts me is when I have to change radio/music and occasion phone calls(which some states are illegal but hands free is ok)

It's an objective fact that touch screen controls suck and are only being pushed by manufacturers because it cuts cost.

Having to turn on windshield wipers through the digital UI is bad design and unsafe.

 

[poppabk]

I test drove a Model 3 and it had some build quality issues with panel fit. Someone who was picking up their new Tesla was complaining about back marks on their all white interior that weren't coming off. So they definitely have some superficial issues. But honestly I didn't like driving it. The regenerative breaking and inability to allow your car to roll under momentum was just frustrating.

 

[HellforLeather]

They're just poorly built.

Really this. Its somewhat to be expected from a new manufacturer though. There are reports of people using rubber mallets on the assembly floor to get panels to fit.

Also, there was this hilarious issue:

Want to keep your bumper? Dont drive in the rain

 

[Irobot82]

I test drove a Model 3 and it had some build quality issues with panel fit. Someone who was picking up their new Tesla was complaining about back marks on their all white interior that weren't coming off. So they definitely have some superficial issues. But honestly I didn't like driving it. The regenerative breaking and inability to allow your car to roll under momentum was just frustrating.

They really don't have a neutral?

 

[poppabk]

They really don't have a neutral?

I don't ever use neutral in my regular car as it's an automatic but when you take your foot off the accelerator in the Tesla the car immediately starts braking rather than just rolling forward under momentum.

 

[Rival]

My next car will almost certainly be a Tesla but I’ll be driving my RAV4 hybrid for another 75k miles so it’ll be another 4-5 years.

 

[Irobot82]

I don't ever use neutral in my regular car as it's an automatic but when you take your foot off the accelerator in the Tesla the car immediately starts braking rather than just rolling forward under momentum.

Is that to recharge the battery?

Edit:

Does Tesla have like a dial or a knob to you can use instead of the gas pedal? I feel like setting your car to a speed would be more efficient than using a gas pedal with an electric car. (I've never used an e-car before)

 

[I_D]

The Tesla technology is functional, reliable, and efficient.

The cars, themselves, are not well-built.

 

[pauljeremiah]

 

[Quasicat]

I went with with a ioniq Hybrid plugin, best of both worlds. In the winter I use about a 40l tank of gas in about 6 weeks. Summer barely use any gas at all

Sounds like you enjoy having your ioniq. I’m a Hyundai guy as we keep them for 200k+ and I’ve never had a car last that long otherwise. My 2018 Tucson has 65k on it so I’ve got it for several more years before I’m ready to replace it. When it’s time to pick my next one, I’m definitely looking at the ioniq…it looks absolutely impressive!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This thread is also fun because you can easily see who has actually seen a Tesla in their lives and who is just spouting shit on the Internet.

 

[nbcjr]

For the environment they are bad, but for the user, i supose they are fine if you ok with the control of your car by a corporation in an almost black mirror way.

 

[Malakhov]

Sounds like you enjoy having your ioniq. I’m a Hyundai guy as we keep them for 200k+ and I’ve never had a car last that long otherwise. My 2018 Tucson has 65k on it so I’ve got it for several more years before I’m ready to replace it. When it’s time to pick my next one, I’m definitely looking at the ioniq…it looks absolutely impressive!

Yep so far I love it, I had a Hyundai Santa Fe before it, also a Hyundai guy from now one. Moved from Toyota, not that there ain't bad cars but they were getting pricey and didn't think the value was there anymore

 

[Irobot82]

For the environment they are bad, but for the user, i supose they are fine if you ok with the control of your car by a corporation in an almost black mirror way.

Pretty sure Tesla's long term plan is to open source all of their software.

 

[Quasicat]

Yep so far I love it, I had a Hyundai Santa Fe before it, also a Hyundai guy from now one. Moved from Toyota, not that there ain't bad cars but they were getting pricey and didn't think the value was there anymore

I was a GM guy in high school and college with my first car breaking down at 110k. I then bought a Sonata and my wife bought an Elantra with both going over 200k…with her Elantra still going:

I’m expecting the same out of my Tucson and am hoping that the new hybrids and electrics can pull the same miles.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

At work today, my coworkers and I were discussing Toyotas decision to go all in on EV. My coworker made a comment that Toyota was going destroy Tesla since Teslas are poorly made and problematic.

We are getting this argument non stop for 10 years now - any moment now!

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I was a GM guy in high school and college with my first car breaking down at 110k. I then bought a Sonata and my wife bought an Elantra with both going over 200k…with her Elantra still going:

I’m expecting the same out of my Tucson and am hoping that the new hybrids and electrics can pull the same miles.

On one hand I applaud you for not switching cars like phones. On the other hand - fuck, that’s a lot of driving and CO2 being released.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

What is the life expectancy on the batteries in an electric car these days? What would it cost to replace them once you've run out of cycles?

Tesla's new lithium ion phosphate batteries can apparently be safely charged all the way to 100% without degradation. I remember an old story about a first-gen Model X used as a kitschy shuttle from LA to Vegas with over a million miles on it, it had only lost 10% of its battery capacity.

 

[ParaSeoul]

I saw the name and assumed this was an april fools joke

 

[ParaSeoul]

For the environment they are bad, but for the user, i supose they are fine if you ok with the control of your car by a corporation in an almost black mirror way.

Misconception because thats the direction the entire industry is heading for.

 

[Malakhov]

I was a GM guy in high school and college with my first car breaking down at 110k. I then bought a Sonata and my wife bought an Elantra with both going over 200k…with her Elantra still going:

I’m expecting the same out of my Tucson and am hoping that the new hybrids and electrics can pull the same miles.

I did 210k with my Toyota matrix and it was still running like new when I sold it for my Santa Fe which I did another 200k on it. Had no problems at all with it besides the cost of gas, last summer vacations I spent 400$ on gas in 3 weeks (gas price here is insane in Qc) and that was time to move to hybrid for me. Not white ready to go full electric since I do a lot of hiking in remote places without any electricity anywhere near, the ioniq plugin is the best of both worlds for me

 

[teezzy]

At work today, my coworkers and I were discussing Toyotas decision to go all in on EV. My coworker made a comment that Toyota was going destroy Tesla since Teslas are poorly made and problematic.

That caught me off guard. With all the hype around Tesla, I had personally never heard that.

So is it really just show offs that are buying them?

It's not so much thay Teslas are poorly made and problematic as it is that Toyota vehicles are notoriously reserved in their design and therefore considered more stable and reliable overall. They're not as concerned with innovation and new features as other manufacturers and that's okay because they make up for it with dependability

Personally, I'm rooting for Volkswagen

 

[Quasicat]

I did 210k with my Toyota matrix and it was still running like new when I sold it for my Santa Fe which I did another 200k on it. Had no problems at all with it besides the cost of gas, last summer vacations I spent 400$ on gas in 3 weeks (gas price here is insane in Qc) and that was time to move to hybrid for me. Not white ready to go full electric since I do a lot of hiking in remote places without any electricity anywhere near, the ioniq plugin is the best of both worlds for me

I was considering a hybrid when I was looking in 2018, but I couldn’t justify the cost at the time as I only have a 20 minute commute and rarely vacation more than once a year, driving between 10k and 12k annually. My wife, on the other hand, has a longer commute and likes to go in town more often than I do. With the way she drives, I’m pushing for her to get a hybrid.

 

[Big Baller]

Its an American car. Ofcourse its bad.

 

[Hardensoul]

It's an objective fact that touch screen controls suck and are only being pushed by manufacturers because it cuts cost.

Having to turn on windshield wipers through the digital UI is bad design and unsafe.

Not going to dispute that real buttons are better! I will only talk about Tesla in this thread, not any other cars/EVs.

But you must not know that there is a button for the windshield wiper for quick swipe if you need to use it, but all other preset settings you can set on the touchscreen, slow/fast or auto when the sensors detect rain/water on windshield!

The must have buttons are there on steering wheel or steering column and not on touchscreen! Like shifter, turn signals, voice or volume buttons.

So touchscreen being worst than buttons are irrelevant. When the main things you need for driving are not on touchscreen! I rarely use the touchscreen while I’m driving. It’s a distraction from driving if I need to go into touchscreen all the time!

 

[Hardensoul]

Tesla's new lithium ion phosphate batteries can apparently be safely charged all the way to 100% without degradation. I remember an old story about a first-gen Model X used as a kitschy shuttle from LA to Vegas with over a million miles on it, it had only lost 10% of its battery capacity.

I read that the current up to 2021 batteries are rated 500k miles and the new being develop which should be out 2022 will have 1million mile rating!

 

[Lord Panda]

My next car will almost certainly be a Tesla but I’ll be driving my RAV4 hybrid for another 75k miles so it’ll be another 4-5 years.

There isn’t any EV currently that has the practicality, space/form-factor, and affordability in comparison to the current modern Hybrid RAV4 platform.

I seriously looked at getting a Tesla but in the end the maths didn’t add up, and I opted for the 2020 RAV4 Hybrid instead. In 5-10 years when I’ve driven this thing into the ground, I’ll be getting an EV to replace it, and hopefully the new Toyota BZ range stacks up.

They're just poorly built.

I’ve read that a lot of the manufacturing issues occur far less frequently. The Teslas rolling out from the Shanghai plant are extremely well built, so I’ve read.

 

[TheDreadLord]

In 6 to 8 years only a madman would buy an ICE car. They will be a lot more expensive than EVs at that point as will be fuel and maintenance.

I don’t know… we have E-fuel gaining traction… we should also consider that hydrogen might become a viable alternative in the near future (well, I guess this could also be considered a sort of EV but without batteries??)

 

[It's all in the wrist]

If you want an EV, you get a Tesla. They're awesome.

 

[Tams]

Yes.

The chassis are fine (although I've heard of issues even there) and their efficiency is industry leading. But for the price the interiors are an utter disgrace. I remember MKBHD being his ignorant self when he got his and him excusing the shitty plastic interior. Then there are the stories of bits of the body falling off, poor fitting, etc.

And don't get me started on the stupidity of having a touchscreen display as the main control interface on a machine that you should be paying as much attention to driving as possible when operating it.

 

[Tams]

There are still physical buttons on Teslas, my Audi had millions of buttons and I don’t even know what all of them do!

What physical button that is so important that can’t be hidden on Tesla touchscreen?

You’re in the car to drive not fidget around buttons or the touch screen to distract you from driving!
Only thing that distracts me is when I have to change radio/music and occasion phone calls(which some states are illegal but hands free is ok)

Separate post because you can't copy and paste quotes properly.

It's very odd that you are an advocate for safe driving, yet are okay with touchscreen controls for even basic things like wipers. I don't think you actually do care about safe driving if you believe that.

As for not knowing what the different controls in car do, how about you bother learning them? It's really not that hard.

 

[Hardensoul]

Separate post because you can't copy and paste quotes properly.

It's very odd that you are an advocate for safe driving, yet are okay with touchscreen controls for even basic things like wipers. I don't think you actually do care about safe driving if you believe that.

As for not knowing what the different controls in car do, how about you bother learning them? It's really not that hard.

You need to read my other comment after that! Appears you don’t know much about Teslas.

 

[Mossybrew]

I would never buy one, like if I was in the market for a new car it would never even enter my radar. I don't know who buys these things.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I would probably get one if driving in Paris was not a completely useless endeavour all the way through.

 

[nocsi]

Separate post because you can't copy and paste quotes properly.

It's very odd that you are an advocate for safe driving, yet are okay with touchscreen controls for even basic things like wipers. I don't think you actually do care about safe driving if you believe that.

As for not knowing what the different controls in car do, how about you bother learning them? It's really not that hard.

So as an example on my model 3. To turn on the wipers manually I can press the left stalk. You clearly haven’t driven a Tesla to get an understanding of how much useless shit there is in a car dashboard.

The modern driving experience should be to sit there and stare at the road. Wtf I gotta fiddle with wipers. In the case the auto sensor doesn’t work I can manually trigger it. Driving a Tesla is the least distracting experience I’ve had driving. With regenerative braking I don’t even really use the brake pedal too much.

this thread is like a typical neogaf apple thread. A bunch of non-owners laying down opinions without haven’t ever driven a Tesla. There’s legitimate problems with teslas such as the infotainment or sharing the car with your spouse. But the fakers here aren’t going to touch on that

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The modern driving experience should be to sit there and stare at the road. Wtf I gotta fiddle with wipers. In the case the auto sensor doesn’t work I can manually trigger it. Driving a Tesla is the least distracting experience I’ve had driving. With regenerative braking I don’t even really use the brake pedal too much.

Fucking this. I don’t own a car but frequently rent them for a trip with the family. Each time I get into one I have to verify the position of multiple buttons and levers, then of course the infotainment is shit and stuck into a tiny screen.

 

[Hardensoul]

So as an example on my model 3. To turn on the wipers manually I can press the left stalk. You clearly haven’t driven a Tesla to get an understanding of how much useless shit there is in a car dashboard.

The modern driving experience should be to sit there and stare at the road. Wtf I gotta fiddle with wipers. In the case the auto sensor doesn’t work I can manually trigger it. Driving a Tesla is the least distracting experience I’ve had driving. With regenerative braking I don’t even really use the brake pedal too much.

this thread is like a typical neogaf apple thread. A bunch of non-owners laying down opinions without haven’t ever driven a Tesla. There’s legitimate problems with teslas such as the infotainment or sharing the car with your spouse. But the fakers here aren’t going to touch on that

Yup, I already addressed the wiper to the others poster! I was not interested in an EV and Tesla wasn’t in my radar until I test drove it. My first choice was Subaru Impreza Sti stick shift. I was weary of driving automatic again! But that test drive was so fun. They just gave us the keycard I let us have it without Tesla rep in car for 30mins.

 

[Hardensoul]

Fucking this. I don’t own a car but frequently rent them for a trip with the family. Each time I get into one I have to verify the position of multiple buttons and levers, then of course the infotainment is shit and stuck into a tiny screen.

Once you got your setup, the stuff is automated. Like nocsi said it’s the least distracting driving I’ve had also! Only issue for me is I got to watch my feet for that acceleration! It’s so easy to go way over the speed limit quick! Lol

Edit: Knock on wood, I haven’t had a speeding ticket in nearly 20yrs and this Tesla is close to getting me a ticket at times…

 

[Goalus]

Tesla Model S Plaid demolishes any other car - except for the Rimac Nevera - on the quarter mile. Therefore they must be doing something right.

On the software side, I'm rooting for George Hotz and comma.ai because I think their solution is better than Tesla's on the conceptual level and also can be used with a wide range of car brands - including Honda which I drive.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Tesla Model S Plaid demolishes any other car - except for the Rimac Nevera - on the quarter mile. Therefore they must be doing something right.

A lot more to a car than the quarter mile.

 

[BlackM1st]

You guys trust VW after the gas emission nonsense?

Who cares about emissions lol

 

[ParaSeoul]

Who cares about emissions lol

When said emissions are exactly the ones proven to increase the chances of cancer

 

[BlackM1st]

When said emissions are exactly the ones proven to increase the chances of cancer

Yeah, sure...just like everything else around us. No red meat for you man.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Yeah, sure...just like everything else around us. No red meat for you man.

I don't think you understand the difference between actual carcinogenic metal coming directly out of your exhaust and into the air and red meat,go huff some asbestos and see how that works out for you. Maybe move into a nice cozy town next to a coal mine.

 

[BlackM1st]

I don't think you understand the difference between actual carcinogenic metal coming directly out of your exhaust and into the air and red meat,go huff some asbestos and see how that works out for you. Maybe move into a nice cozy town next to a coal mine.

Yeah... I try not to breath on my cars exhaust fumes. Never knew it's a mandatory thing to do lmao I just use filters...

Man, this is ridiculous, being worried about emissions while literally everything around you / everything you wear and consume is somewhat not good for you..Next you will tell me that you play 1 hour a day and sleep for 8 hours, don't drink coffee and overall live in some kind of mountain retreat. Give me a break.

Yeah, if car is good I couldn't care less about its emissions. 0 emission doesn't make any product better. It's just a wishful thinking from a tree huggers.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Yeah... I try not to breath on my cars exhaust fumes. Never knew it's a mandatory thing to do lmao I just use filters...

Man, this is ridiculous, being worried about emissions while literally everything around you / everything you wear and consume is somewhat not good for you..Next you will tell me that you play 1 hour a day and sleep for 8 hours, don't drink coffee and overall live in some kind of mountain retreat. Give me a break.

You don't have to be breathing your exhaust fumes,you're putting that shit out into the air. You don't seem to understand the difference between any of those things or you're trolling. I suggest you'd change your lifestyle if you think sleeping for 8 hours a day or not drinking coffee is somehow impossible.