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Texan City will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel

None of this is correct. There are a few reasons. But primarily Jerusalem still holds significant importance for Christianity, and some crazies also believe all the Megiddo shit. After that, it's the fact that it's a democracy in the "crazy terrorist-laden Middle East" so a large portion of Americans identify with that. You also have some mixed in post-WW2 "we saved the Jews and have to keep them safe" people.

People in America definitely do not wide-spread dislike Jews being in America. Antisemitism is much more prevalent in Europe at the moment. People in America dislike muslims much more, and for many of them Israel is seen as the only thing fighting against them in the region (however wrong that may be).

So the alt right doesnt have anything against jews? Also, pretty sure muslims are hated everywhere
 

entremet

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The alt right do not like jews. I dont get it

This is not alt right. Jeez. This is traditional American conservatism, which has a preference for Israel due to their interpretation of the Biblical apocalyptical writing. Not everything is alt right, guys.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
I'm confused by the Israel thing, especially with Republicans and the like. I thought all those dumb rednecks and racists hated jews and the (((Jewish conspiracy))). Why the obsession with Israel?

Don't they need Israel to exist for Jesus to come back and then kill and/or forcibly covert the Jewish people? So it's not out of love that the support is there, but out of a sick and twisted duty to see a prophecy fulfilled. I'm guessing Israel goes along with it because they don't believe in this stupidity anyways. It's like if the Mayans wanted to give you all this support and money because they think the end of the world would only happen when you become a nation and grow strong. I would take them to the cleaners myself.

Edit: This might be a small faction who believes this. It seems like the majority support Israel for geo-political reasons :/
 
Don't they need Israel to exist for Jesus to come back and then kill and/or forcibly covert the Jewish people? So it's not out of love that the support is there, but out of a sick and twisted duty to see a prophecy fulfilled. I'm guessing Israel goes along with it because they don't believe in this stupidity anyways. It's like if the Mayans wanted to give you all this support and money because they think the end of the world would only happen when you become a nation and grow strong. I would take them to the cleaners myself.

Out of curiousity, how many americans believe in this BS?
 
"Texan City will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel"?
Why the clickbait?

Why not just say:
Dickinson, TX will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel

It's literally an extra 3 spaces.
 

Beartruck

Member
I'm confused by the Israel thing, especially with Republicans and the like. I thought all those dumb rednecks and racists hated jews and the (((Jewish conspiracy))). Why the obsession with Israel?
All the jews need to return to israel for the rapture to occur. They literally support israel because they want the world to end.
 

Valhelm

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nobody really cares about the third temple prophecy. the GOP likes Israel because they oppress Muslims in ways we wish we could.

Israel tries very hard to present themselves as the beacon of Western society amidst a sea of dark-skinned barbarians, and the American right find this image very appealing.
 
seperation between church and state also applies municippally,

this is a violation of that because it is religiously driven in the guise of politics
 

Jackpot

Banned
"Texan City will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel"?
Why the clickbait?

Why not just say:
Dickinson, TX will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel

It's literally an extra 3 spaces.

The name of the city isn't some prize I was teasing. GAF isn't just the US and many more people are familiar with Texas rather than Dickinson and even the abbreviation TX.
 

Cocaloch

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seperation between church and state also applies municippally,

this is a violation of that because it is religiously driven in the guise of politics

This doesn't really have anything to do with separation of church and state though, even if there are religious ideas behind why certain policy is favored.
 
The name of the city isn't some prize I was teasing. GAF isn't just the US and many more people are familiar with Texas rather than Dickinson and even the abbreviation TX.

Even spelling out "Texas" would only have led to the title being 6 characters longer, and would have been far more descriptive, while losing nothing on the international front.
 

Aureon

Please do not let me serve on a jury. I am actually a crazy person.
Israel is, in the words of a republican, USA's giant aircraft carrier in the middle east.

Fucking neocons.
 
I'm confused by the Israel thing, especially with Republicans and the like. I thought all those dumb rednecks and racists hated jews and the (((Jewish conspiracy))). Why the obsession with Israel?

It's to do with the Second Coming of Christ, the myth is that when the Jewish people return to Israel. The Temple Mount will be rebuilt and then destroyed which will then lead to the christian apocalypse.

Basically the republicans are supporting a doomsday cult that keeps them in power. If I could remember the book that delves into why these lunatics are into this believe, I'll post it here.
 

Jackpot

Banned
Even spelling out "Texas" would only have led to the title being 6 characters longer, and would have been far more descriptive, while losing nothing on the international front.

Less descriptive as only a tiny minority will know Dickinson is a city instead of some tiny burg.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
The people that believe it would be Evangelicals, but not all Evangelicals believe it or care much about it. Only millenarian leaning groups would be that concerned with it.

Thanks for explaining the breakdown between the different Evangelicals. I was under the impression that most Evangelicals held these same beliefs.
 

Brakke

Banned
"Texan City will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel"?
Why the clickbait?

Why not just say:
Dickinson, TX will only give you hurricane aid if you agree to not boycott Israel

It's literally an extra 3 spaces.

Dude what. Nobody knows what Dickinson is. Everybody knows what Texas is and what cities are.
 

Cocaloch

Member
Thanks for explaining the breakdown between the different Evangelicals. I was under the impression that most Evangelicals held these same beliefs.

It's probably the single least consistent religious group in the country in terms of theology and ideology.
 

ahoyhoy

Unconfirmed Member
I'm confused by the Israel thing, especially with Republicans and the like. I thought all those dumb rednecks and racists hated jews and the (((Jewish conspiracy))). Why the obsession with Israel?

You're confusing the alt right and traditional evangelical conservatives.

One doesn't really care about religion and the other wants Jews in Israel to bring Jesus back or something stupid like that.
 

Parch

Member
Yikes.
I wonder how often a Republican has said... "I'll give you this good job if you accept Jesus and vote for Trump."
 

TDLink

Member
Much like Ireland it was a state formed through terrorism, that much at least is undeniable. I wouldn't call its actions now "terrorist", but that's partially because I don't think an institutionalized state can really be described as terrorist, it is however quite clearly an aggressive expansionist imperial state. Nothing about being a democracy means you can't be an empire. The first modern democracies, Britain, the US, and France, were very much empires.

Nothing Israel has done indicates they have any desire for conquest and expansion outside of their borders. In fact, the only land Israel has ever "conquered", the Sinai Peninsula, they gave back to Egypt less than a decade after doing so. And that only happened in the first place due to the 6 day war.

The only real problem is that Israel considers Palestine to be within their border while many other nations of the world do not. But other than anything to do with Palestine, Israel has not shown any expansionist Imperial ambition. They are a far cry from an Empire in any sense and there's no indication they want to go down that path.

So the alt right doesnt have anything against jews? Also, pretty sure muslims are hated everywhere

The alt-right/Nazis are still a minority in America. Yeah, they hate jews... but they aren't representative of why most Americans support Israel (as some other people in this thread have already pointed out). The muslim thing, yeah unfortunately it's a worldwide problem. All I meant with that comment is that America at large does not have the same level of "Hate" for Jews as Europe. The Nazis and conspiracy theorists aside, Jews mostly pass for "white" now in America and aren't subject to widespread discrimination.
 
The far right is a coalition of extremists and evangelicals. Hate unites.
In this case the law is pandering to evangelicals hoping a strong Israel brings about the apocalypse and Christ's return or something.
No. Not kidding.

That is literally, bat shit insane.
 

TyrantII

Member
Out of curiousity, how many americans believe in this BS?

Wrong question.

How many of the GOP electorate...


Like Trump supporting the 8-10% of the electorate that are Nazis, he does so because he can't afford to lose them and win. So their issue are his issues.

This is how coalition politics works. Evengelicals are a HUGE voting block in the GOP.
 

haimon

Member
Literally belief that Israel needs to be strong and ascendant for various biblical prophecies to come true and for Christ to return (again). Also a little us vs them from post war Arab tensions. Israel was an enemy of dirty foreigners etc. also fantastic amounts of lobbying and real guilt about the horrors Jews endured not just in ww2 but multiple pogroms throughout history.

I’m not a fan of netenyahu and Zionism in general but I would love to see a peaceful solution in my lifetime that benefits Israel, palestine and its neighbors. You can argue that Israel should never have been created, but history is rife with artificially created and conquered nations. You likely live in one. And there’s no instruction book for how long ago it has to happen to be legitimate. I’m disappointed to see the country swing so far to the right though. Netanyahu has no interest in peace or a long term solution. He likes his riled up angry base.just like you know who.
+1

I agree.. unfortunately Israel and the palestinian government is becoming more extreme and this is fucking it up for everyone.
 
I'm confused by the Israel thing, especially with Republicans and the like. I thought all those dumb rednecks and racists hated jews and the (((Jewish conspiracy))). Why the obsession with Israel?

According to my understanding of the Bible, there are some known prerequisites for 2nd coming of Christ to occur, some of which has to do with the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. In that sense, Evangelical Christians have an inherited interest in the politics of Israel. But the 2nd coming of Christ will see him able to convert a handful of Jews to Christianity; the rest will reject him, as it's prophesied. Therefore this "support" for Israel is largely self-interest from a theological point of view. The regular Evangelical Christian who is 'Pro-Israel' arguably has no interest in the nation beyond how it serves the Christian dogma.

The other element to this is the culture wars: anything progressives turn their nose to, Conservatives naturally embrace. Anti-war; climate change; socialism; Palestine.
 
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