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Texas band teacher had oral sex with student in school supply closet
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Trent Strong
Banned
There have been so many stories about women teachers fucking their male students over the past five years or so. Hey, women teachers, can you keep it in your goddamned pants? Jesus.
Fallout-NL
Member
Yup, typical.
Zoe
Member
He's calling it puritanical.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Huh?
I agree with the sentiment that her sanctions should be purely job related. She can no longer teach, but I see no merit in throwing people in jail for adult relationships, even if they are mentor/student.
It's interesting, because I had the exact opposite reaction when analyzing this situation initially: that those who could not see how this might be a criminal action were being conservative.
Of course, not for religious reasons, but for libertarian ones (many people have explicitly stated a confident belief in autonomy and free will). I'm not saying either is a right read, mind you (nor am I saying that being conservative is bad). I just think it's interesting how different thought processes broke down.
shadow_shogun
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WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It certainly is if your reason for disliking the action is that it's sex and sex is bad.
It's not if your reason cited is the power imbalance in the relationship. The sex, at that point, is incidental. I see very few people citing the former (including the state itself), but many citing the latter. I'll echo Zoe's sentiments: I have no problem at all with an 18 year old and 23 year old having sex in the abstract, I Have problems when that 23 year old happens to be the 18 year old's teacher. I also don't have problems with a 32 year old having sex with a 30 year old, unless that 30 year old happens to be an officer in the army and the 32 year old is his subordinate. The problem is not the sex.
Griffevent
Member
Aaaaand ... worse
http://www.midilibre.fr/2014/07/02/...ureuse-folle-d-un-enfant-de-9-ans,1018602.php
Dordogne, France - Elementary School assistant falls in love with a pupil, aged 9.
http://www.midilibre.fr/2014/07/02/...ureuse-folle-d-un-enfant-de-9-ans,1018602.php
Dordogne, France - Elementary School assistant falls in love with a pupil, aged 9.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Teacher contract include 'thou shall not have illicit relationship with students'
My issue with the 'law' is it's broad so as to allow practical application from the courts, because presumably 'sexual coercion by abuse of power' is much more difficult to prosecute, however, it's also criminalizing something that I believe could be a justifiable relationship.
This is not an apt example of that, obviously I don't know them, but engaging in sexual activity on school property alone is enough for me to feel like this was not a meaningful relationship entered into by mature consideration, it was just some taboo lust thing, and certainly she should be fired.
This is not an apt example of that, obviously I don't know them, but engaging in sexual activity on school property alone is enough for me to feel like this was not a meaningful relationship entered into by mature consideration, it was just some taboo lust thing, and certainly she should be fired.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Because the sexual nature of the relationship and its legality is what is being questioned. There's no getting around the fact that sex is at the center of this, unless we want to play pretend that this would have made equal news if the teacher had sold the kid a car, or engaged in some other, generally legal act that could be construed as improper due to the teacher/student dynamic. There is no questioning the inappropriateness of that imbalanced dynamic, at least not by any reasonable party, but of the illegality of the affair there is plenty.
It's fine to have a problem with it. Doesn't mean it should be criminal. I don't think I have to explain why we don't always legislate due to people's emotional responses to things that are otherwise legal.
Secondly, bad example with the military. That relationship is actually illegal under the UCMJ.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Man! All these questions! Wait! Let me think!
I'm going to have to be honest and say I didn't know teaching credentials were so specific that you had to pick wish grade of education you were going to study about. I also realize that sometimes we don't pick the jobs that were doing but I what I would have hoped is that she started at an earlier age and gained some perspective about what it means to be a teacher to children.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Nowhere in the world is an 18 year old a child
And on what grounds? Are they objecting because sex is immoral? Because that's the puritanical view: the view that sex is inherently wrong or bad.
Yes, I think reasonable people can disagree on whether this act is very bad (she should be fired and should never teach again) or very, very bad (she should be fired, never teach again, and also go to jail).
I'm not sure I follow -- that's exactly why I chose that example. My thought process was: here is another example where a relationship between two supposedly "consenting" adults is illegal. And the reasoning is exactly the same: the relationship is illegal in large part because there is a power imbalance between officer/soldier, and not because the military thinks sex is inherently bad in some puritanical sense.
Romars202129
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This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
This is the deep south too, where you're considered a late bloomer if you make it to 15 with you V card intact. But yeah, that 18 year old will never recover from this. He'll have unrealisticly optimistic expectations for the rest of his life.
This is the deep south too, where you're considered a late bloomer if you make it to 15 with you V card intact. But yeah, that 18 year old will never recover from this. He'll have unrealisticly optimistic expectations for the rest of his life.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Someone isn't growing up in America after the year 2000
AuthenticM
Member
Yeah, I'm wondering if too much sheltering and protection towards minor is actually slowing their degree of maturation and wisdom-gaining.
terrisus
Member
I don't even understand what you mean.
So someone who finishes a business degree at 22 and is qualified to begin working goes back to school just because of some arbitary age limit?
Even if they did have something which applied across multiple levels, why force someone who wants to and went to school to teach high school spend a couple of years working at a lower grade level just "because they're too young?"
And, believe me, speaking as a male with an Elementary Education Master's, regardless of age, there's always going to be suspicions about a male working in Elementary. Certainly they're there for high school as well (especially if one is closer in age), but it's a huge issue at the Elementary levels.
The point of that being, why should people who are qualified to perform a job not be allowed to do so solely because of suspicions and prejudices that other people have about them?
Go ahead and teach, but make sure you DON'T fuck the students.
terrisus
Member
Obviously.
But then, that's the same whether the teacher is 22 or 62.
The comments I had originally replied to had said/implied that people under 23/24 shouldn't be teaching in a high school though.
The Noble N00b
Banned
I see an Eerie similarity between this teacher and Haley Joel Osment...
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Just means she's banging her students.
IISANDERII
Member
Damn. Can you translate the parts of the article which are in French?
TruckDriver
Neo Member
It's funny, because this advice is given to education majors every semester. This same rule is repeated at the start of each school year, during teacher planning weeks. This concept is drilled in again and again. The consequences of breaking this rule is repeated again and again.
And yet dumb fucks still break this rule.
As a teacher, I don't know how someone can be so stupid as to ruin their career just to get their rocks off.
I also don't know why people keep asking "LOL, why is this an issue? stupid America lolz!"
She's his teacher. She is in a position of authority over him. She determines his final grades, and is expected to work with the student in a professional manner. If there's a mutual attraction between the teacher and their 18 year old student? You keep it in your goddamn pants, for the sake of your career. You want to act on it? Wait til the 18 year old is no longer your student.
And another thing, how can a teacher maintain any sense of order and professionalism if every knows they fuck their students?
terrisus
Member
It was funny, during one of our last cohort conferences before I finished my Master's in Education, one of the speakers spent a while going over making sure people knew not to have anything appropriate up on "social network" websites - inappropriate photos, inappropriate comments, etc.
A number of people in the room seemed surprised by this, as if it was something they weren't aware of the need for before, and basically that when the conference was over and they went home, they were going to need to take down a whole bunch of stuff.
Meanwhile, I'm just sitting there thinking how stupid some people must be for something like that to be an issue.
Although, in the end, I guess the joke was on me,
since I couldn't find a teaching job =(
TruckDriver
Neo Member
I think it's because teachers (unfairly, I think) have higher expectations placed on them. How you dress, how you act, and how you live your life outside and inside of school, is all up for scrutiny. It's bullshit that people's social activities and past can bite them in the ass as a teacher, but that's how it is.
I've been teaching for four years, and:
1) have stopped using facebook almost all together
2) keep all 'drink in hand' photos off facebook
3) keep any personal comments off fb
4) NEVER add any of my students
because I know how easily a teacher can get sacked because a parent was "shocked" about my social life.
terrisus
Member
Oh, I definitely know why.
It was funny to me that so many people there had never considered that maybe it wasn't the best idea to do stuff like that.
But then, I don't and never have used any "social media" websites to begin with.
FlashbladeGAF
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hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I get the objections to her behavior based on the power imbalance, but she's a band teacher for god's sake. What power?
Photo for you GAFers using your imagination. Also is that a wedding ring? Ooo.. so kinky.
I found her son.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Not after she tooted his horn.
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