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The 2nd Democratic National Primary Debate

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Henchmen21

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Hopfrog said:
If you don't think the GOP would be as obstructionist when faced with someone who self-identifies as a socialist as opposed to a man who has to repeatedly deny that he is one, well....there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like you to take a look at, make you a good deal.
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No they wouldn't because the word "Socialist" has no fangs due to them constantly trotting it out every five seconds these past 7 years. This country is far more divided on the subject of race.

Why do you think the birther's existed? or the constant claims he was from Kenya? If Obama had been white you would have never seen half as much BS that the GOP pulled. The fact is that the GOP played to their racist base and the past 7 years is proof of it
 
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Joni

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Hillary also has the backing of a certain former president. Clinton will throw his weight behind any democratic candidate, but I'm thinking he'll be a lot more present when his wife is campaigning. The support of the most popular former president could be a help.
 
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Henchmen21 said:
No they wouldn't because the word "Socialist" has no fangs due to them constantly trotting it out every five seconds these past 7 years. This country is far more divided on the subject of race.

Why do you think the birther's existed? or the constant claims he was from Kenya? If Obama had been white you would have never seen half as much BS that the GOP pulled. The fact is that the GOP played to their racist base and the past 7 years is proof of it
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No denying that race has been central to the resistance to Obama from many on the right, but focusing on it is construing GOP obstruction too narrowly. Look at the rhetoric being used against Hillary, and she is as white as Wonder Bread. This kind of obstructionism is not going away soon, and acting like Bernie would not get both barrels is a bit naive.
 
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Henchmen21

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Monocle said:
It's always something. I'm sure they'd give a free pass to a socialist whose ideas sound way more radical than Obummer's.


Hillary's a great campaigner, a seasoned debater, and is more popular with older demographics and ethnic minorities. She's a far more marketable and palatable candidate than Bernie. And she'd get more shit done in the White House, because she knows how negotiate and compromise. Those years as Secretary of State would serve her well.


There's no guarantee. It's a possibility we'd better make damn sure we take into account this election cycle.
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You do know that "Socialist" was a code word for the N word right? Because they couldn't just outright call him the N word (even though I'm sure they would have liked to).

She's also a wall street stooge and the only thing she'd "get done" is make the 1% even more rich and the rest of us even poorer (and as a fellow gay man you need to check out her recent interview with Rachel Maddow and how she kept BSing over her support of DOMA)

Except as stated, there's no evidence to support that claim. Just because they "might, one day, in the future" step down isn't enough to support that argument.
 
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Henchmen21 said:
No they wouldn't because the word "Socialist" has no fangs due to them constantly trotting it out every five seconds these past 7 years. This country is far more divided on the subject of race.

Why do you think the birther's existed? or the constant claims he was from Kenya? If Obama had been white you would have never seen half as much BS that the GOP pulled. The fact is that the GOP played to their racist base and the past 7 years is proof of it
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That was from May of this year. Bernie's brand of socialism (which isn't even true socialism) may not be a problem for you. It may not be a problem for me. However, it is an issue going into a national election.

Also, does no one remember the 1990s? The GOP was happy to shut down the government then, too. Not to the insane extreme they are now, but it's not entirely based on race. Sure, it's part of it...but it's not the entire argument.
 
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OP is fine, the Democratic debates, unlike the Republican debates, aren't farcical circus acts, so some tongue in cheek Bernie worship works for me.

I look forward to hearing what Hillary and Bernie have to say. I like Bernie but Hillary does have way more experience with foreign affairs, so I'm expecting some interesting banter.
 
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adam387 said:
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That was from May of this year. Bernie's brand of socialism (which isn't even true socialism) may not be a problem for you. It may not be a problem for me. However, it is an issue going into a national election.

Also, does no one remember the 1990s? The GOP was happy to shut down the government then, too. Not to the insane extreme they are now, but it's not entirely based on race. Sure, it's part of it...but it's not the entire argument.
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Let people learn the hard way.
 
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Prototype Viktor

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Wait a minute. Bernie Sanders is a real candidate and not just Hilary's grandfather that she just brought with her at times to show she's pro-family? I always thought she should have used her secret wife instead
 
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ICKE

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The democratic party sure knows how to sell their debates. Last one was not even a debate and was on Friday of all days. -_-

One would think that more exposure would be a good thing but I suppose the establishment just wants to pave the road for Hillary.
 
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adam387 said:
Also, does no one remember the 1990s? The GOP was happy to shut down the government then, too. Not to the insane extreme they are now, but it's not entirely based on race. Sure, it's part of it...but it's not the entire argument.
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Didn't newt shut it down last time because he didn't like the seat clinton gave him on air force 1?

edit-- yup, just checked

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Daniel B·

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adam387 said:
Yes, because CNN invented the concept of breaking down two hour debates into smaller sound bites simply to attack Bernie Sanders. It's never been done before in the history of American politics.

And, again, you couldn't score it differently because of confirmation bias. Every single objective measure we have showed that Hillary out performed Bernie in the debates. His weakest exchange, outside of guns, was on foreign policy. Tonight should be interesting for him.
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Oh Adam, you walked right into that one; I challenge you to post an official CNN clip, that features her major debate night snafus, in particular, her very telling "Cut it out" line, on how she thought she could curtail Wall St. excesses (yes, I have double checked).

And, are you saying that Bernie didn't do anything but awesome, on MSNBC's Debate Forum, compared to Hillary's Neo impression? For those that are interested, you can check out what I think is a fair [post=184589087]write up[/post] (please excuse my language; I was really #FeelingTheBern ;) ).
 
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FutureZombie

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Are there any differences between the candidates on immigration? I didn't hear it spoken about during the last debate, and it looks like it won't be touched tonight, either.
 
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zero shift

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A pretty dumb passive aggressive OP. It would be better for it to be more accurate so that non-US GAF can understand what is going on.
 
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B-Dubs

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FutureZombie said:
Are there any differences between the candidates on immigration? I didn't hear it spoken about during the last debate, and it looks like it won't be touched tonight, either.
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There's not a whole lot of space between them on any issue. Everyone basically agrees with everything everyone else says, it's just a matter of what each candidate thinks they can actually get done.
 
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FutureZombie

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B-Dubs said:
There's not a whole lot of space between them on any issue. Everyone basically agrees with everything everyone else says, it's just a matter of what each candidate thinks they can actually get done.
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What is their stance on immigration in terms of amnesty and going forward?
 
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Daniel B·;185485412 said:
Oh Adam, you walked right into that one; I challenge you to post an official CNN clip, that features her major debate night snafus, in particular, her very telling "Cut it out" line, on how she thought she could curtail Wall St. excesses (yes, I have double checked).
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Okay? They didn't show that. It wasn't a snafu. It was a stupid throw away line. Did CNN show the official clip of Sanders saying he was going to wait for Putin to apologize? I mean, come on! You cannot live in a world in which you actually believe that the media is out to build Hillary freaking Clinton up. They did everything they could to make this contest seem like a horse race. Independent organizations outside CNN showed that that Hillary won the debate. I just...I don't get it. Every thing in the universe doesn't have to be some attack on Bernie Sanders. To borrow a line from Hillary, I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative, but it's true. It is genuinely possible for Democrats to prefer Hillary to Bernie. Not because of DWS. Not because of CNN. Not because of whatever current talking point is being used. Democrats seem to identify more with Sec Clinton than with Senator Sanders.

And, are you saying that Bernie didn't do anything but awesome, on MSNBC's Debate Forum, compared to Hillary's Neo impression? For those that are interested, you can check out what I think is a fair [post=184589087]write up[/post] (please excuse my language; I was really #FeelingTheBern ;) ).
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He did fine. According to those who were surveyed, Hillary did better.

Rachel Maddow's forum in South Carolina last Friday looks to have been a success- 32%of Democratic primary voters in the state say they watched it. It mostly reinforced Clinton's front runner status in the state- 67% who watched declared her to be the winner to 16% for Sanders and 6% for O'Malley. And although forum viewers said it made themv iew all three candidates more positively Clinton (61% more positive, 14% less positive)came out ahead of both Sanders (51/11) and O'Malley (38/18) on that metric as well.
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Not trying to politicize the horrible shooting in Paris, but that will be a main focus in the debate tonight. I also have a feeling a lot of americans are sick and tired of being afraid. That plays very well into Clinton's hand because she's seem as being hawkish as fuck. That plays very against Sanders' hand because he's seem as a pacifist.
 
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teruterubozu

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AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
Not trying to politicize the horrible shooting in Paris, but that will be a main focus in the debate tonight. I also have a feeling a lot of americans are sick and tired of being afraid. That plays very well into Clinton's hand because she's seem as being hawkish as fuck. That plays very against Sanders' hand because he's seem as a pacifist.
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Clinton is not going to suddenly get hawkish - she's just going to reiterate Obama's current agenda. Why would she get all amped and go rogue?
 
RPGCrazied

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I was looking at CNN, it starts at 8pm on CBS, much better. I heard CNN say one of the key topics tonight will be about the Paris terrorist attacks.
 
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