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The 50 best video games of the 21st century by The Guardian
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mariosbrother
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Lists like this are great. They remind me how many excellent games - across a wide spectrum no less - are available. There's a significant number of games on there that I've never touched and may never have the chance to, but I'm glad that they exist for whomever has had a chance to enjoy them.
Video games have very much achieved what books, music, movies, etc. have in that not only is there something to appeal to (nearly) everyone, but there are also outstanding examples in each category. That's really awesome, especially having grown up along side the medium.
Video games have very much achieved what books, music, movies, etc. have in that not only is there something to appeal to (nearly) everyone, but there are also outstanding examples in each category. That's really awesome, especially having grown up along side the medium.
KàIRóS
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Not a single JRPG!?
Where's FFX? FFXII? Kingdom Hearts 2? Persona 3, 4, 5? Tales of Symphonia? Phantasy Star Online? Xenoblade Chronicles? Dragon's Dogma? Valkyria Chronicles? Nier: Automata?
What about games that created new genres?
Devil May Cry? Grand Theft Auto 3? Monster Hunter? Prince of Persia? Dynatsy Warriors? DOTA? Mirror's Edge? Heavy Rain? Braid? Overwatch? PUBG?
Games that changed genres?
Tropico? Pikmin? Ikaruga? Rez? Metroid Prime? Jet Set Radio? Dragon Ball Budokai Tenkaichi? Diablo II? Rockband? Splatoon?
Where's freaking Final Fantasy XIV? the second most popular MMO after WoW with more than 16 million players registered!?
Terrible list.
Where's FFX? FFXII? Kingdom Hearts 2? Persona 3, 4, 5? Tales of Symphonia? Phantasy Star Online? Xenoblade Chronicles? Dragon's Dogma? Valkyria Chronicles? Nier: Automata?
What about games that created new genres?
Devil May Cry? Grand Theft Auto 3? Monster Hunter? Prince of Persia? Dynatsy Warriors? DOTA? Mirror's Edge? Heavy Rain? Braid? Overwatch? PUBG?
Games that changed genres?
Tropico? Pikmin? Ikaruga? Rez? Metroid Prime? Jet Set Radio? Dragon Ball Budokai Tenkaichi? Diablo II? Rockband? Splatoon?
Where's freaking Final Fantasy XIV? the second most popular MMO after WoW with more than 16 million players registered!?
Terrible list.
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EverydayBeast
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Seems to be right
ClanOfNone
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Not a single Infinity Engine game is a massive failure. PC as a whole is grossly underrepresented.
What A Shame...
Banned
Eh, it's not a terrible list. They've definitely forced some games into it that were revolutionary but don't really pass the test of time. HL2 being the obvious one. That shit was the bee's knees when it came out, but has anyone tried going back to play it now? It's a bore.
Dada55000
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Icewind Dale 2 is the only IE game to come out in the 21st. That ain't getting shit chief.
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ClanOfNone
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lmao, the only failure here was my reading comprehension
Vampire On Titus
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Strikes me as a list that's (poorly) attempting to please everyone with no discernible POV behind it.
ymoc
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What I find really interesting is that they managed to not include a single strategy game. Where are Civilization, Heroes of Might And Magic, Command and Conquer, Age of Empires, Anno, XCOM, Settlers, Age of Wonders, Sim City, Theme Hospital, Sacrifice, Total War, Red Alert and that's just from the top of my head.
For shame!
For shame!
Roberts
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A pretty good list and definitely an improvement over that awkward "best films of the 21st century" list they did recently. No list ever is going to please everyone, but no real complaints from me even though my list would look completely different. Also, it's pretty funny to see some of you get all allergic from a mere mention of The Guardian.
alabtrosMyster
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Isn't it a bit early for that list? it's like making a best game of the years list in February/March.
SlicedBread3
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It always baffles me when I see Spelunky in lists like these. I tried it and it just seems like an unremarkable Indy platformer/rogue like. What am I missing?
Pallas
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Seems like the majority of list is of mass market, well known games, probably why you don’t see any JRPG’s on there, to those wondering why Gravity Rush 2 or Persona 3,4 or 5, etc aren’t on it. It’s a safe list, and a lot of good titles. I don’t agree on the order of some of them though.
I think when FFVII-R part 1 releases, you could probably add it to that list.
I think when FFVII-R part 1 releases, you could probably add it to that list.
Huevos de Oro
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Hmm. This list gives me conflicting feelings. The absence of the fat fuck on the top 10 pleases me but Metal Gear Solid fucking FIVE? Grand Theft Auto fucking FOUR?
I'll have whatever they were drinking please.
I'll have whatever they were drinking please.
DisguiseArrsick
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What No Depression Quest as Number 1!?? Problematic.
DisguiseArrsick
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On an more serious note, I think The Last of Us was very very boring.
Pallas
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Would have to agree about both of those games by the way. I mean them on the list in particular isnt the main problem but there were better games this century of their respectable series.
GTA: San Andreas
MGS3
I’d say both them were better than GTAIV and MGS5, when it came to enjoyment, story and even gameplay.
Dada55000
Member
San Andreas held up mildly better than the other PS2 GTA's, which is still poor. Going back is even rougher than I thought it would be. Like, GTA4 was the first game in the series to not have terrible gunplay.
Bullet Club
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The king of kings!
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Fuck The Guardian... Put your TOP 50 Best games ever
So like the Title... FUCK THE GUARDIAN... FORBES... NEW YORK TIMES... IGN AND ALL THE SHITTY LIST OF JOURNALIST GAMERS. Put your top 50 best games that you play in all your gamer life 51.- Killer is Dead 50.- The last of Us 49.- Command and conquer: Red alert 48.- Commandos II (Beyond call of...
Does gaf have worst taste than The Guardian? FIND OUT!
Stefan.North
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No Okami? Seriously? Let's have Wii Sports and Papers please, but no Okami! SMH
Explosive Zombie
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50. SingStar (2004) - what?
49. Katamari Damacy (2004) - don't know this series
48. Journey (2012) - people seemed to like this, still haven't tried it
47. Dead Space (2008) - potentially my favorite horror game
46. Limbo (2010) - it's fine
45. Papers, Please (2013) - certainly unique!
44. Forza Horizon (2012) - racing sims are bleh
43. Rocket League (2015) - don't get the hype here
42. Burnout 3: Takedown (2004) - prefer Revenge but glad Burnout gets a spot
41. Overwatch (2016) - it's FINE, not as great as people make out
40. Gears of War 2 (2008) - where the series began to go wrong with so much bullshit artificial difficulty spikes and terrible cinematic bs that was egregiously bad on the insane difficulty, in the first gears co-oping on insane simply meant being good at a shooter besides that one bat swarm sequence, in this one it meant avoiding random bullshit during lame ass cinematic set pieces
39. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000) - don't play these
38. Super Smash Bros Melee (2001) - these are fine
37. Silent Hill 2 (2001) - i can tell it's great but the obtuse design has kept me from finishing
36. Spelunky (2008) - it's entertaining
35. Assassin’s Creed 2 (2009) - a step up from one but a few steps below Black Flag
34. Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009) - awesome game, agreed
33. Battlefield 1942 (2002) - series got better later
32. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - liked Modern Warfare 2 better for campaign and World at War better for MP, but this was a big deal
31. God of War (2018) - Yes, excellent game
30. Shadow of the Colossus (2005) - tried it once as a rental and it didn't click with me
29. Deus Ex (2000) - should be near the top
28. Wii Sports (2006) - lol
27. Guitar Hero (2005) - the original? why? it gets so much better later with games like Warriors of Rock, 3, Metallica, etc., also inferior to the Rock Band franchise
26. Left 4 Dead (2008) - it was fun at the time but hasn't aged well
25. Ico (2001) - never tried this
24. The Last of Us (2013) - a masterpiece
23. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask (2000) - one of the Zelda games I never played
22. Mario Kart 8 (2014) - I liked this franchise as a kid but it's totally lost my interest as an adult
21. Mass Effect 2 (2010) - great game
20. Fortnite (2017) - lolololololol, i mean i guess it has to be on the list but still
19. Grand Theft Auto IV (2008) - awesome game
18. Red Dead Redemption 2 (2018) - masterpiece
17. The Sims (2000) - i get it's hard not to put on these lists but man i don't care
16. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009) - yeah this was the game changer, i think 4 improved on everything in it, tho
15. Resident Evil 4 (2005) - yep, still a classic
14. Super Mario Odyssey (2017) - no switch yet =/
13. World of Warcraft (2004) - boring
12. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (2015) - the best MGS because they let gameplay be king
11. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) - i don't got as nuts for this but i did sink over 100 hours into it so kudos
10. Bloodborne (2015) - should be number 1
9. BioShock (2007) - masterpiece
8. Portal 2 (2011) - it's a neat game I moved on from immediately after beating
7. Halo: Combat Evolved (2001) - man, what an amazing game
6. Grand Theft Auto V (2013) - the best GTA
5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (2015) - remarkable game
4. Half-Life 2 (2004) - good placement for this masterpiece!
3. Dark Souls (2011) - deserves to be so high even if I'd put Bloodborne above it
2. Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017) - no switch =/
1. Minecraft (2009) - lololololol did Pewdiepie make this list?
49. Katamari Damacy (2004) - don't know this series
48. Journey (2012) - people seemed to like this, still haven't tried it
47. Dead Space (2008) - potentially my favorite horror game
46. Limbo (2010) - it's fine
45. Papers, Please (2013) - certainly unique!
44. Forza Horizon (2012) - racing sims are bleh
43. Rocket League (2015) - don't get the hype here
42. Burnout 3: Takedown (2004) - prefer Revenge but glad Burnout gets a spot
41. Overwatch (2016) - it's FINE, not as great as people make out
40. Gears of War 2 (2008) - where the series began to go wrong with so much bullshit artificial difficulty spikes and terrible cinematic bs that was egregiously bad on the insane difficulty, in the first gears co-oping on insane simply meant being good at a shooter besides that one bat swarm sequence, in this one it meant avoiding random bullshit during lame ass cinematic set pieces
39. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000) - don't play these
38. Super Smash Bros Melee (2001) - these are fine
37. Silent Hill 2 (2001) - i can tell it's great but the obtuse design has kept me from finishing
36. Spelunky (2008) - it's entertaining
35. Assassin’s Creed 2 (2009) - a step up from one but a few steps below Black Flag
34. Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009) - awesome game, agreed
33. Battlefield 1942 (2002) - series got better later
32. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - liked Modern Warfare 2 better for campaign and World at War better for MP, but this was a big deal
31. God of War (2018) - Yes, excellent game
30. Shadow of the Colossus (2005) - tried it once as a rental and it didn't click with me
29. Deus Ex (2000) - should be near the top
28. Wii Sports (2006) - lol
27. Guitar Hero (2005) - the original? why? it gets so much better later with games like Warriors of Rock, 3, Metallica, etc., also inferior to the Rock Band franchise
26. Left 4 Dead (2008) - it was fun at the time but hasn't aged well
25. Ico (2001) - never tried this
24. The Last of Us (2013) - a masterpiece
23. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask (2000) - one of the Zelda games I never played
22. Mario Kart 8 (2014) - I liked this franchise as a kid but it's totally lost my interest as an adult
21. Mass Effect 2 (2010) - great game
20. Fortnite (2017) - lolololololol, i mean i guess it has to be on the list but still
19. Grand Theft Auto IV (2008) - awesome game
18. Red Dead Redemption 2 (2018) - masterpiece
17. The Sims (2000) - i get it's hard not to put on these lists but man i don't care
16. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009) - yeah this was the game changer, i think 4 improved on everything in it, tho
15. Resident Evil 4 (2005) - yep, still a classic
14. Super Mario Odyssey (2017) - no switch yet =/
13. World of Warcraft (2004) - boring
12. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (2015) - the best MGS because they let gameplay be king
11. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) - i don't got as nuts for this but i did sink over 100 hours into it so kudos
10. Bloodborne (2015) - should be number 1
9. BioShock (2007) - masterpiece
8. Portal 2 (2011) - it's a neat game I moved on from immediately after beating
7. Halo: Combat Evolved (2001) - man, what an amazing game
6. Grand Theft Auto V (2013) - the best GTA
5. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (2015) - remarkable game
4. Half-Life 2 (2004) - good placement for this masterpiece!
3. Dark Souls (2011) - deserves to be so high even if I'd put Bloodborne above it
2. Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017) - no switch =/
1. Minecraft (2009) - lololololol did Pewdiepie make this list?
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JimmyRustler
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Not much of a "game" though if you're honest.
Bryank75
Banned
So basically every PlayStation exclusive out of the top 50? How fair of you....
The list is trash.... The Guardian should be banned from publishing anything about games ever again, that is how bad this stupid list is.
The fact that they have RDR2 up there and no RDR is criminal in and of itself.
Shadow of the Colossus shits on BOTW in every possible way and it is insulting to gaming to have Minecraft at number 1..... they might as well have put Angry Birds or Farmville.
No Mario Galaxy either...you fn jokeing?
MGSV is the worst of the series, what idiot made this list?
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Explosive Zombie
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To be fair they were clearly doing one game per franchise and RDR 2 kinda obliterates 1. SotC shitting on BotW doesn't sound like a sentiment everyone agrees on. MGSV is my favorite entry, personally, it still had all the dumb convoluted story stuff but it also had the most gameplay and freedom of any entry.
Bryank75
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RDR had a better story, better pacing and was the first game to do anything really amazing in a western setting in an open world.
You're not even Snake in MGSV, so it's not even a real MGS.
SotC innovated far more long before BOTW, it's art style, solitary world and story put it far far above BOTW IMO.
Anyway, it's needless to argue as the list is just really awful and changing a handful of games will not fix it.
Trash peddlers like The Guardian would have gaming ruined. Corporate shills.. probably a paid article from Microsoft.
synchronicity
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Fair of me? I like what I like, lol. I gave no thought to how things were divided. Why would I?
Over the years I've gamed on all platforms -MS/Sony/Ninty/PC.
My only bias is to good games. (As I see them.)
Bryank75
Banned
Probably everyone here has gamed on systems by all three... so you're really not saying anything.
I started on Nes. I was on PC around 1999 till around 2003/4 and played some of the best PC games ever like Homeworld, Ground Control, C&C games, Jagged Alliance etc. None of which seem to be on this list....
I was on 360, PS3, Wii, DS and now PS4 and Switch. Just for the record.
LittleBusters
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Inside by Playdead should have made the list.
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Explosive Zombie
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Man, I didn't finish MGS V that sounds like a spoiler? It also sounds like a sort of weak fanboy complaint like how people think Friday the 13th part V was bad because it's not Jason at the end, like who cares, you thought it was him until then didn't you? Not really being an MGS game barely means anything to me, a lot of MGS fans like 2 best where you mostly play as Raiden and
technically it's all a sim anyways
There's a lot of people who consider BotW best game of all time is the thing, though, I don't know which innovated when and what, I wasn't speaking for my opinion, really, just a more general consensus.
I honestly am not a big fan of the list but I take issue with your specific gripes is all.
Bryank75
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Hav
It's obvious that it's not him. You just need to look at his face. There is one thing that he doesn't have that Snake always does.
He also smokes fake cigars.... and wears his hair in a ponytail. He also wears a patch with three straps vs BB 2 strap version.
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Explosive Zombie
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Yeah, uh... maybe I'm not as big of a turbo fan as you are? Like I liked part 3, part 4 I thought was good in spurts but mostly convoluted and boring and 1 and 2 I never finished so... I'm at over 130 hours in V but haven't reached this plot twist =/
synchronicity
Member
My point was that I don't think it makes sense to expect a personal list to be "fair". Everyone's preferences are going to obviously favor what they enjoy. The list I originally made reflected that. That's all.
I feel no obligation to acknowledge acclaimed things I don't enjoy as "good" things to me personally. They are surely good to some, but that's got nothing to do with my own opinions.
Deputy Moonman
Member
I don't have much of an opinion really. There a lot of good games on the list, including some heavy hitters, and that works for me. No one should be outraged because their favorite niche game isn't included. In the end it's just a list and it could have been a lot worse. For me, Halo CE made the top ten and that makes me happy. I love that Mario Kart 8 is there. It's so good and truly the best of all the Mario Kart's in my personal opinion. I wonder if they has simply listed game franchises instead of specific games if people would have been happier? That would have made more room for a couple more games too.
