Exactly. I prefer Webb's films because it captures the tone of the comics far better than Raimi did. I'm a Raimi fan too and his Spider-man films are decent but I prefer his horror output.
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Exactly. I prefer Webb's films because it captures the tone of the comics far better than Raimi did. I'm a Raimi fan too and his Spider-man films are decent but I prefer his horror output.
It is definitely in the center of the plant. See this screencap: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/klevvC53EBk/sddefault.jpg
peanutbutterlatte
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I honestly expected the "We have plans for you" voice from the trailer to be from Otto Octavius.
Reading through this thread it's hilarious that everyone is complaining about the German scientist. It was definitely cringe worthy, but I remember thinking in the theater that at least that guy had some character. Electro really is the lamest villain to ever be. Just a winey bastard whose motivation is just that he wants some friends. Holy crap.
The first scene where he finally is fucking shit up in the city was a hilarious mix of evil sounding villain shouts to kid like fascination of seeing himself on the big screen.
The first scene where he finally is fucking shit up in the city was a hilarious mix of evil sounding villain shouts to kid like fascination of seeing himself on the big screen.
Wasn't that Chris Cooper's voice? Not sure where that would have been cut out from though.
Same. Besides, aside from making him look cooler in action sequences, I highly doubt the character will be done as well.
It wasn't just Batman Forever-Tier, he was literally channeling Jim Carrey as the Riddler. Especially in the scenes in his apartment.
I really do feel that this film has way more in common with Batman Forever than any modern superhero flick.
Finaika
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You mean Batman & Robin?
Glad I'm not the one who felt that.
Nope, but the good news is that ASM3 will probably be Batman and Robin-tier so it will be so bad it's good and we will all live as friends.
Don't worry about that, because they're completely separate styles of film, for different types of people. As a major Spider-Man fan, I really liked what Bendis did with Ultimate, and although they bend a few things, I'm totally satisfied with how the ASMs use at least the attitude of Ultimate. Raimi is pretty heavy handed, and I like Webb's approach of absurdity as normalcy, comparatively. Webb is a better character director and it shows.
This is the same issue people had with Ang Lee's Hulk, still the best superhero movie to date. People want smash, but Ang Lee actually wanted to play with what characters would do in the 'real.' But he put people off, by making them remember it was a comic book movie, with his framing styles and animations. The scene where Hulk stares at a rock has more depth than almost the entire MCU.
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"Amazing SpiderMan 2 Designs
Some work I did for the film."
Oh god, imagine my disapointment, I thought for sure there was going to be a video game about spider-man that was worth actually buying! (coming from a guy that bought that last game that came out)
Acting was bad, but I'm pretty sure it was because of the direction and the writing. The script was that the core villain is a clumsy, socially awkward dimwit with terrible dialogue. In contrast, goblin is the posh, selfish whiny brat with terrible dialogue. Just horrible in every regard.
And I think you are being kind comparing it to batman forever. This was in batman and robin territory for me with rhino = bane and electro = freeze
Oh, yes, Giamati, how that man still acts in blockbusters is beyond me, I can't help but laugh everytime I see his face, he's born to be a comedy actor, it's cringeworthy.
I think Electro= Riddler, Rhino=Two-face, and Green Goblin... Nolan's scarecrow? Seriously I loved DeHaan, with a better script and directing he could rival Ledger's Joker, but that's just me. He saved the movie IMO.
I think Electro= Riddler, Rhino=Two-face, and Green Goblin... Nolan's scarecrow? Seriously I loved DeHaan, with a better script and directing he could rival Ledger's Joker, but that's just me. He saved the movie IMO.
Giamati casting was pitch perfect, and he was probably having the time of his life. The entire cast is perfect, case in point, BJ Novak as Alistair Smythe, fucking brilliant.
They all were. It was all like a big pajama party.
Messypandas
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Giamatti was quaffable, but far from transcendent.
What bugged me is how overly cartoony he looked in the last fight.
Another person here posted earlier, but it really does seem like they couldn't keep a consistent look for Electro's face all the way through for some reason. I don't know whether it was the CG or Foxx or what.
DaFoe's Goblin was the furthest thing from gritty and serious and he blows away everything that was done with the three bad guys in this film.
what was even remotely non-serious about dafoe's goblin?
Lostconfused
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The suicide.
But really the Green Goblin in that movie was obviously very dramatic and grandiose. Not "gritty" and "serious"
peanutbutterlatte
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ITSY BITSY SPIDDAAAAH
Spehornoob
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DaFoe's Goblin was pure ham and cheese but it fit into the more campy feel of the Raimi films as a whole.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 couldn't decide if it wanted to be campy or gritty or MCU-esque.
WE'LL MEET AGAIN, SPIDER-MAAAAAAN
PS. I'll never understand why they needed the Goblin helmet in the Raimi films. DaFoe basically already has the Goblin's face naturally.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 couldn't decide if it wanted to be campy or gritty or MCU-esque.
WE'LL MEET AGAIN, SPIDER-MAAAAAAN
PS. I'll never understand why they needed the Goblin helmet in the Raimi films. DaFoe basically already has the Goblin's face naturally.
He had a waifu cake.
Kibbles
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Yeah I saw the movie twice, looked like her head hit, said ouch both times.
youbastards
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The costume. Everything else was perfect Norman Osborn.
WrenchNinja
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His power rangers monster costume
I feel the same, except for people who enjoyed a repeat of Schumaker Batman villains taking screen time away from Harry's relationship with Peter and his rushed transformation into the Goblin.
youbastards
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I haven't seen ASM2 yet, does it address the web fluid at all? Is Peter still "getting" it from Oscorp? ASM1 made it look like Peter was smart enough to make the shooters, but had to steal the actual fluid from Oscorp?
Kinda.
I'm not saying he's bad, just that he didn't really feel like he fit with the tone of other pieces of the film.
The major problem with the character is, as many others have pointed out, that he's almost totally extraneous to the plot and could have easily been eliminated completely without doing major damage to the film.
I think it's less Spider-Man's fault here. In the movie, his web just reaches her a half-second too late to prevent her head from hitting the ground. In the comics, it's the way he snags Gwen with his web that snaps her neck.
Show them the nipples ought to be enough.
whatsinaname
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So the kid Gwen was competing with to get into the program at Oxford, was that alluding to some character who might show up in the next movie?
Lostconfused
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Well clearly that kid is going to Oxford, i'd say its not likely.
No, it was probably just meant to show her how much Peter loved her.
His existence is of no importance.
Man Doc Oc was a great mad scientist in S-M2. He just had a redemption arc. Who cares about the inhibitor chip and his wife Rosie? I much preferred it over the Doc Oc I knew from the tv show: a guy who was just bad because he's a mad scientist.
Doc Oc still captures his character traits of mad scientist so well too. The very first time he even meets Peter Parker he's told that his experiment won't work, but he's too full of himself to listen to Peter. Then he does the experiment and Harry tells him to shut it down, but he won't listen cause thinks he can still control it. Then his wife dies the thing goes out of control and Spidey stops it. Then while reflecting over what happened he blamed Spider-Man for things not working out because he unplugged the experiment. Still only focusing on his experiment and not what just happened to his wife and him. Then you know the rest, eventually when he sees Spider-Man takes his mask off and it's Peter who told him he was wrong in the beginning. Peter says some fatherly words of wisdom to Doc Oc (I forgot if it was Uncle Ben quotes or something Ock says to Peter in the beginning) and Octavius decides he doesn't want to die a monster.
I'm sorry if it's not a 1:1 adaption of the source material, but I'd take that story over this one
Doc Oc still captures his character traits of mad scientist so well too. The very first time he even meets Peter Parker he's told that his experiment won't work, but he's too full of himself to listen to Peter. Then he does the experiment and Harry tells him to shut it down, but he won't listen cause thinks he can still control it. Then his wife dies the thing goes out of control and Spidey stops it. Then while reflecting over what happened he blamed Spider-Man for things not working out because he unplugged the experiment. Still only focusing on his experiment and not what just happened to his wife and him. Then you know the rest, eventually when he sees Spider-Man takes his mask off and it's Peter who told him he was wrong in the beginning. Peter says some fatherly words of wisdom to Doc Oc (I forgot if it was Uncle Ben quotes or something Ock says to Peter in the beginning) and Octavius decides he doesn't want to die a monster.
I'm sorry if it's not a 1:1 adaption of the source material, but I'd take that story over this one
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I think there supposed to be a scene that shows Norman has an odd collection of masks at his home, but it was cut from the film.
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Cool.
I thought it might be a reference of the kind Marvel likes to throw in. It seemed rather odd with the pointed mention of the other candidate's youth and relative lack of qualifications.
Sony has access to a far, far smaller amount of characters compared to Marvel, who have literally hundreds. It's far easier for Marvel to kind of give a winking nod to another character.
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