The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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The biggest issue I have with ASM franchise is that everything feels forced. Like you guys have mentioned, from the friendship with Harry and Gwen, etc. I even felt like there was no chemistry between May and Peter.

Rewatched SM2 the other day and the characters are just better. There is buildup from the first movie and it all comes together in this and it was amazing. Don't even get me started on Aunt May's awesome scenes after Peter tells her about Ben. Love that movie.

Side note, I noticed in ASM2 that Electro and Doc Ock kind of "come to life" similarly. Both are in a hospital type room (Electro being in a morgue I assume) and just wake up with powers and are confused and amazed. They both even do an accidental car flip lol.
 
MasterBalls said:
Are you kidding? Spidey's the only hero next to Batman that has a half-decent, half-recognisable rogue's gallery.
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It's a fine rogue's gallery for comics, but as live action movie villains, they are TERRIBLE.

At least those in Marvel Studios realize the issue and is able to adjust the villains for their movies. Sony/Columbia just doesn't get this (or maybe, Marvel is not letting them adjust the stories and characters, since they are just licensees).

Either way, I'm done with watching Spidey movies. They just DON'T work on big screen as live action with that rogue's gallery.
 
Got back from watching it recently.
Any scene with Spidey was great, but everything else was...meh.
...and did they just drop that we'll be seeing the Sinister Six in Amazing 3? Cuz that'd be some kickass fight if so.

EDIT: Who's Mr. Fears from the end of the movie BTW?
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
It was so weird in ASM. He was looking for the killer, then they cut to something else and it's completely forgotten. It's not like they showed him moving on or anything, they just gave up.
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He moved on when he saved the kid on the bridge. He realized there more important things he could be doing with his powers.
 
I think Spidey villains can work. The issue is they become caricatures of the comic versions because they pack so many into one film now. They don't really have the time (or maybe even desire) to explore them. Doc Ock in SM2 was great because you get that build up of character. On paper a character named Doctor Octopus should be ridiculous, but the comics and SM2 make it work.

Example: The Rhino is such a throwaway character in ASM2 which really sucks after recent storylines like: http://marvel.wikia.com/The_Gauntlet

It really upsets me when people say the ASM movies capture the feel of the comics. It's like they haven't read a Spidey comic in the past 20 years. They are more comedic sure, but they're missing all the relate-able stuff about the different characters in Spider-Man's life. Even the relationship between Peter and Gwen is shallow. They instantly fall in love. There's no relationship build up at all.
 
Nephtis said:
I don't understand what's with all the nitpicking here. It's a super hero movie. Spidey has been in far worse stories than this in the actual comic arcs. .

What I really liked about the movie was just how he moved. He did his classic poses while web slinging, he seemed a little more 'spider-like' during fights, specifically in small enclosures. Or how he stopped that cop car from squishing the cop. or stopping the bus from rolling over and killing people. he was very much like the comic book character brought to life, far, far more than its previous film incarnations.

There's a lot of details I was extremely happy to finally see on screen. If anything, this movie has felt the closest to the source material with the exception of the airplane scene and aunt May in the hospital scene.

You're supposed to go into these movies with a suspension of belief. Just enjoy the movie for what it is and let the kid in you sit there with his mouth open because god damnit, comic book spider-man has finally, truly been brought to life.
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That's actually part of why I was so disappointed in this. It gets so much right about the character but whether it's Arad or the people running Sony, they felt like they needed to rush everything to set up this "universe" they're trying to create, which hurt the story tremendously.
 
Pavaloo said:
In the first ASM he began being Spider-Man specifically because he was only targeting guys that looked like his Uncle's killer. It was odd when the first movie didn't resolve it and it's odd now that the second movie doesn't even touch on it lol
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I think that's my biggest problem and why i mentioned it. Like it was a big plot point like "i'm going to find this guy" gives up after 3 dudes. And like someone else said everything feels forced, like i think i'll look into my parents disappearance again today, just out of no where. I think this was where the scene where Harry says "Oscorp was tailing you" prob was.
Instead it was me going home today and being like i think i'll watch dollhouse on Netflix for no reason.
 
Shogmaster said:
It's a fine rogue's gallery for comics, but as live action movie villains, they are TERRIBLE.

At least those in Marvel Studios realize the issue and is able to adjust the villains for their movies. Sony/Columbia just doesn't get this (or maybe, Marvel is not letting them adjust the stories and characters, since they are just licensees).

Either way, I'm done with watching Spidey movies. They just DON'T work on big screen as live action with that rogue's gallery.
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Spider-Man villains can work, don't let shit writing fool you friend!
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
No at that point he was all cool being a smartass. The movie is not smart enough for that level of subtlety.

God, that movie is such a mess.
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Not to mention, even if you go with the "he realizes he can do more with his powers" bit, the movie still doesn't have him acknowledge that Uncle Ben's death was partially his fault. Which is, like, super fundamental to the Spider-Man character. It was the main thing Stan Lee wanted to get across when he wrote the first SM story back when he thought it was going to be the only SM story; this kid indirectly causes the death of his uncle and learns a lesson about power and responsibility. How the movie misses something so basic...I don't even know.
 
Shogmaster said:
It's a fine rogue's gallery for comics, but as live action movie villains, they are TERRIBLE.

At least those in Marvel Studios realize the issue and is able to adjust the villains for their movies. Sony/Columbia just doesn't get this (or maybe, Marvel is not letting them adjust the stories and characters, since they are just licensees).
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Yeah, that's the issue. There is a Heath Ledger level Venom out there, I just know it.
 
I enjoyed the movie, the soundtrack overall was bad though. The story was kind of all over the place and I felt that some of the character development was off for the key characters. I still think Andrew and Emma are leagues better than Tobey and Kirsten.
 
Why did Peter and May keep talking over each other? I'm not sure May ever said a sentence without Peter interrupting her in a louder voice.
 
Stormtrooper said:
Not really she's had some great stories like mind bomb and planet of the symbiotes.
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I know, but he wouldn't exist without Venom. I'd rather they try and get him right first, as he's a lot more interesting and conflicted a character than Carnage just being outright psycho. It's been widely discussed that Carnage will probably be the villain in the Venom flick anyway.
 
MasterBalls said:
I know, but he wouldn't exist without Venom. I'd rather they try and get him right first, as he's a lot more interesting and conflicted a character than Carnage just being outright psycho. It's been widely discussed that Carnage will probably be the villain in the Venom flick anyway.
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Of course can't not have a good Venom not after SM3. Then hopefully the Venom film is good too.
 
Just came from this terrible film.

I think out of all the silly tack on drama situations during the climax from comic books films, this may be the very worst. At least put someone on the fucking plane that has some relevance to the god damn story.
 
lol

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Why are people obsessed what throw away character she plays? Out of two films, I got nothing from the Gwen Stacey character.

Also, when Rhino is your best villain, you've got a problem!
 
The Osborn family was literally garbage. I could literally feel the rotten smell and had gag reflex. Movie was actually enjoyable until their appearance.

3D gimmick is more important than Gwen's death. Totally ruined by it.

Spider-man characterization was the highlight of this movie.

Glad to see emo Peter Park is back. Missed him from the previous trilogy. /s

Emma Stone's too lovable. Can't they just die her hair red? (Edit: I swear I hadn't see that pic right above when I made this comment. I'm going blind.)
 
I think this movie has the better Spidey while Raimi's first two have the better Peter Parker.

If nothing else, Webb really nails how Spider-Man is supposed to move and talk.
 
Blader said:
I think this movie has the better Spidey while Raimi's first two have the better Peter Parker.

If nothing else, Webb really nails how Spider-Man is supposed to move and talk.
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That's the only thing I'll give it over the raimi movies. That and Emma stone

But while Kirsten Dunst was crap I'm not gonna say Spider-Man was, but he was inferior to the one in the Webb films
 
Someone had bought extra tix for anyone buying Spider-Man tix so me and a friend got free tix. The film was all over the place . Garfield and Stone are good but the material they get stick with is mediocre. First one was better. Should have just been the Goblin.
 
Discotheque said:
That's the only thing I'll give it over the raimi movies. That and Emma stone

But while Kirsten Dunst was crap I'm not gonna say Spider-Man was, but he was inferior to the one in the Webb films
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I agree. The Raimi films overall were better. It sucks because Webb's films has some good actors in it that are wasted on weak scripts.
 
Just came back from it- thought it was pretty great.
The only thing I absolutely couldn't stand was pre-Electro Max Dillon. Felt like he belonged in a George Clooney Batman &Robin movie or a Looney Tunes cartoon. Horribly bad. I'm glad his character wasn't focused on too much. Electro was rad. Dillon? Nope.

- that scene. Read the first few pages here, and with all the foreshadowing hitting us in the face the whole movie, thought the writers might pull a fake out and let her live. So glad they didn't. And that head snap. gasps were heard. Lot of feels in the audience. Heard crying too! Sogoodpie.gif

-Norman Osborn is so not dead. He was friggin starting his transformation into Green Goblin when we saw him in bed. That was obvious, right? Just testing his son and probably keeping an eye on Peter...

- Who was the guy in the hat at the end who talked to Harry? Pierce? Is he in the books?

- Surprised at the other fan service going on here: Ravencroft, Smythe (Spiderslayers), Felicia (Black Cat) - so I guess we won't be getting MJ next movie as a love interest, I take it? I wonder how the movie audience will take another love interest enemy of a vigilante who happens to be a Cat (woman) too. I know Felicia is a crucial character to Spiderman but she's going to come off as a complete Catwoman rip-off.

- Where was the evil CEO from the first movie? Rajit Ratha (Khan). Are we to assume he got killed off by Lizard somehow?
 
Jetman said:
-Norman Osborn is so not dead. He was friggin starting his transformation into Green Goblin when we saw him in bed. That was obvious, right? Just testing his son and probably keeping an eye on Peter...
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I think the implication in these movies is that the goblin look is a side effect of the Osborn disease, rather than a superpowered transformation. Which is why when Harry injects himself with the spider-venom and sets the disease into overdrive, he begins physically changing.

- Who was the guy in the hat at the end who talked to Harry? Pierce? Is he in the books?
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The Gentleman, an obscure character from an obscure Sinister Six novel.
 
Blader said:
I think the implication in these movies is that the goblin look is a side effect of the Osborn disease, rather than a superpowered transformation. Which is why when Harry injects himself with the spider-venom and sets the disease into overdrive, he begins physically changing.
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Really? I didn't see it as that, at all. A man on the edge of death like that with all of the genetic experimentation that, thanks to Peter and his Zero Point Decay Equation or whatever, got proven to be valid and workable with Connors/Lizard. He totally juiced up prior to this movie. If this is anything like the Osborn in the comics, I wouldn't put it past him to poison his son with some false malady to spur him into chaotic action. And wasn't Peter under surveillance? That didn't start under Harry, I'm sure.


Blader said:
The Gentleman, an obscure character from an obscure Sinister Six novel.
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No kidding? Well, alright- have to go look him up.
 
Another thing they didn't touch on- Peter should have been distraught and fearful after seeing his dads video. He basically made his fathers sacrifice, damn near pointless by giving Oscorp his equation.
 
I really really really enjoyed this. yes something were a bit too much but Garfield's Spiderman makes up for most of the flaws for me.
 
Jetman said:
Another thing they didn't touch on- Peter should have been distraught and fearful after seeing his dads video. He basically made his fathers sacrifice, damn near pointless by giving Oscorp his equation.
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He was too happy that his father didn't sell out to the man to admit that he made mistakes or had an uncle.
 
thecouncil said:
He is The Gentleman.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/gentlemn.htm
I think he, like, organizes the Sinister Six. So that's probably his movie role too.
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What a bizarre choice, I'm sure only chosen because it ties into Peter's parents. The Gentleman isn't from a comic and I am pretty sure isn't part of the 616 canon. He is from a Sinister Six novel trilogy. His plan is to make himself the richest person due to all of the material wealth he has. He would do this by using an electromagnet to wipe out all the databanks, and releasing some sort of agent that would destroy all ink. Also the novel introduces Pity, a young woman who Spider-Man thinks may be his long lost sister. At the end of the series she is picked up by the Scooby-Doo gang.
 
I was listening to a podcast and they say the original ending was supposed to have Harry still laughing after Gwen died. The fight resumed and Spider-Man pretty much beats the shit out of him, like near death. That ending gave the movie an R rating so that's why they went with the ending we have.
 
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