The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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...and one more thing when Gwen died a lot of girls and women did a mini heart attack thing and when the blood came out of her nose they cried so hard it annoying. But I guess that's a positive thing because it delivers.
 
Secret_Riddle said:
Was that before her after he see's the ghost of her father staring at him right before the Goblin kills her? It was entirely implied that her death resulted from Peter breaking his promise.

I get what you guys are saying though. Valid points.
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Yes, they didn't absolve him entirely, but knowing what happened in the comics, those scenes felt very contrived to me while watching the film. If i had still any lingering doubts about whether they're actually going to go through with it or not (although, that graduation speech about mortality was telegraphing it pretty hard), they were gone at that point, because there was no other reason for her "I'm here by my own choice" rant than to alleviate him of what was going to happen minutes later.

I guess my point is, while he did cary some blame for her death, it wasn't enough, especially after selfishly getting back together with her for the third time in two films. Even the way she died alleviated him from some of the blame. Instead of indirectly killing her with his webbing, he just failed to catch her in time.


Scullibundo said:
I guess what it boils down to is that the filmmakers are saying 'Peter feels responsible for Gwen's death', as opposed to 'Peter is responsible for Gwen's death.'
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This is a more concise explanation of my problem with it.
 
Aerith Gainsborough is to Gwen Stacy


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both are iconic deaths in their own medium. Probably changes the way comics and gaming storytelling.
 
XAL said:
So the mystery vanishing man from the first movie and the guy that visits Harry in Ravencroft is Gustav Fliers? (some people are saying it's the Kingpin?)

I'm certain this is the actor, I recognized the voice from the first movie immediately:
Michael Massee
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking too as soon as I heard the voice.
 
Scarecrow said:
I appreciate that May knows Peter is Spider-Man in these two movies.
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Hinted at, but not really confirmed. It's just like many people thinking Aunt May knew Peter was Spider-Man in her 'everybody loves a hero' speech back in Spider-Man 2's day. But that wasn't the case either.
 
Its better than the first one and this is coming from a person who hated the first one.
But this is no serious like Dark Knight how Sony is trying to say.
- The whole Electro Grid fight scene and augh Rhino kid part. Rhino just shoot the kid.
- my best friend Harry... Who was absent from the first movie but audience must care they have deep friendship. Raimi spiderman did this better.
- Spiderman is a menace r we going to rethread this again. I'm glad they didn't and shouldn't even have mentioned it.
- pointless plane collision subplot. Suppose to make a suspense part. Just throw it in there

+i really like the Aunt May Peter confession part. Almost got teary almost.
+Gwen death scene was handled well.
+Gwen and Peter part were good too.
+++++Soundtrack was great and the voice of Electro
 
IncandescentPrecept said:
Was Gwen's death the most powerful scene in a comic book movie or what? Really liked the movie.
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Probably not the same but the Gordon speech at the end of TDK was pretty damn nice. It's pretty much a standard pop culture reference/meme by now. That and the Jor-El speech to Kal-El in the first Superman.
 
Dahbomb said:
Probably not the same but the Gordon speech at the end of TDK was pretty damn nice. It's pretty much a standard pop culture reference/meme by now. That and the Jor-El speech to Kal-El in the first Superman.
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Gwen's death was shot well, and their relationship was good. But the rest of the movie was so middling and bleh that it loses a lot of its impact
 
XAL said:
So the mystery vanishing man from the first movie and the guy that visits Harry in Ravencroft is Gustav Fliers? (some people are saying it's the Kingpin?)

I'm certain this is the actor, I recognized the voice from the first movie immediately:
Michael Massee
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Yeah it's Fiers, aka The Gentleman. Barely known character from the comics with ties to peters parents. He had been following peter around for years spying on him. He knows his identity as spiderman.

That's from the comics at least. So yeah, I assume the parents are going to get roped back into the story with him being revealed. Sigh.
 
I just got back from the movie. It's not good, but it did have some good parts. The Electro fight was fantastic and the death of Gwen was really touching.

I fucking lost it when Electro did this:
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XAL said:
So the mystery vanishing man from the first movie and the guy that visits Harry in Ravencroft is Gustav Fliers? (some people are saying it's the Kingpin?)

I'm certain this is the actor, I recognized the voice from the first movie immediately:
Michael Massee
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I thought it was Tom Watts.
 
I loved everything, but then again I'm a pretty huge spidey fan. Garfield knocked it out of the park again as PP/SM and Stone was pretty great as Gwen. DeHann and Giamatti were amazing as well and I love the camp that Webb had with everybody. To me, TASM2 is the much more superior film when compared to its predecessor

only thing that really bugged me was when electro broke out and materialized with his boxers on
 
Reflecting on it, dropping the Peter's Dad subplot would've really smoothed out the movie. Spend that time building up Green Goblin. The trailers feature a scene of the Goblin attacking Oscorp that's absent in the final movie.

Really, does anyone care about the thin mystery surrounding Peter's parents?
 
broncobuster said:
Really, does anyone care about the thin mystery surrounding Peter's parents?
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Peter did, so by extension I did as well. I liked that he had a moment of solace and closure. I didn't find that it was too intrusive to the story either, and I liked the personal journey that Peter was on. I felt it was also good because it explains why Peter responded to the spider bite the way he did, and why Harry responded differently to having the same venom injected to him.
 
broncobuster said:
Reflecting on it, dropping the Peter's Dad subplot would've really smoothed out the movie. Spend that time building up Green Goblin. The trailers feature a scene of the Goblin attacking Oscorp that's absent in the final movie.

Really, does anyone care about the thin mystery surrounding Peter's parents?
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Definitely would have dropped at least the Pete's Dad and airplane collision scenes. The problem with the whole "human DNA is locked to my bloodline" thing is that it devalues what Spider-Man is by making him a chosen one of sorts.

I agree wholeheartedly with something I read saying that a major part of Spider-Man's character is that he is just some random dude who comes into great power and responsibility by dumb luck and not by birthright.

Edit: Of course, that changes the movie anyways with regards to Pete's blood/Harry injecting himself with the venom, etc. Just doesn't sit well with me.
 
Pennybags said:
I agree wholeheartedly with something I read saying that a major part of Spider-Man's character is that he is just some random dude who comes into great power and responsibility by dumb luck and not by birthright.
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Don't really see how that changes anything. Peter certainly didn't ask for it, and in some ways it is a curse. Whether or not Peter's birthright has any relation to the spider bite doesn't really mean anything in the long run and it still happens by "dumb luck" as you said.
 
Gwen's death was done perfectly. I'm so happy they adapted it finally in a medium that isn't comics. They even made sure that Peter was directly responsible with the whiplash.

The Electro fight scenes were freaking awesome. Actually every scene with Spider-Man, Harry and Gwen was enjoyable.
 
Pennybags said:
Definitely would have dropped at least the Pete's Dad and airplane collision scenes. The problem with the whole "human DNA is locked to my bloodline" thing is that it devalues what Spider-Man is by making him a chosen one of sorts.

I agree wholeheartedly with something I read saying that a major part of Spider-Man's character is that he is just some random dude who comes into great power and responsibility by dumb luck and not by birthright.

Edit: Of course, that changes the movie anyways with regards to Pete's blood/Harry injecting himself with the venom, etc. Just doesn't sit well with me.
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So we probably won't be seeing Silk in this series then?
 
better than the last film. there's a lot of great spiderman moments in here too (like that scene with the kid in the beginning god damn that made me smile, or when he had a cold)

electro though...holy shit what a piece of garbage. i didn't think they'd get worse than curt connors but jamie foxx was just straight trash. expunge him from this film.

the kid that played harry osborn i've never liked. he sounds like he's high on lean. dude took minutes to get words out.

the action was very fluid. spiderman has never looked this great in film. loved his movements.

all scenes involving spiderman, peter and gwen (dat chemistry) and aunt may were good.

electro, parker's parents being so prominent and a multitude of other shit problems though.

better soundtrack than amazing spiderman.

better orci/kurtzman script than the star treks at least. but still these guys are clearly a problem here.

Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man 1 > AMS 2 > Spider-Man 3 > AMS

also SPOILER
good luck following emma stone, best comic book couple easily.
 
i actually did but it had so many problems. like all orci/kurtzman films i leave the movie with a multitude of complaints. also damn i forgot i was in the spoiler thread. i would have went into more detail.

gwen's death scene was great in 3D. that web shot, and then the thud. nicely acted from garfield.

it's the best film they've been attached to though for sure.
 
MaulerX said:
I agree. It was pretty clear she died because she bounced off the ground. It was clear and obvious.
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The argument seems to be that the death was important in the comics because Spiderman was responsible for her death, but in the film she died because his web didn't quite catch her in time and the nerds are pissed because they think he wasn't directly responsible.

But he is directly responsible, or at least that's the way he sees it. If he would have stayed away from her like George Stacy suggested, and not make that I LOVE YOU on the bridge which kept her from leaving for college then and there, she wouldn't have died. If he would have let her go, she would have lived.

It's the same thing, just executed differently. He's still responsible for her death regardless. This is why I said it's fucking retarded. They're only bitching because it's not detail by detail verbatim with how it goes down in the comic, and are completely disregarding the film's context. Yes, Gwen made the choice to come help Peter, but if she hadn't, those two airplanes would have collided resulting in mass fatalities. So her being there was justified, but it doesn't make Peter less responsible for her death. He certainly didn't anticipate that when he drew her away from going to England that the Electro shit would go down and that Harry would show up with a vendetta, but it all happened because he didn't just let her go to England.
 
I saw it earlier today. Not a huge fan. The fights with Electro were done well. Spider-Man's costume was awesome. But so much was cartoony, not even talking about the CG.

Everyone, including apparently all of New York, just hates Max Dillon. To the point where it was just hilarious how awkwardly everyone hates him. The worst part is that I don't even know how we can have sympathy for this character. Yeah, we find out that Oscorp stole his generators or whatever. But we also find out that he has a serial killer Spider-Man shrine. Also that he is bad at his job because fuck safety precautions. Which wouldn't have been a problem if apparently everyone at that company didn't hate him to the point where they are OK with him dying. But at least he gets experimented on by a zany German scientist!

Harry Osborne looked like he was going through a John Connor in Terminator 2 phase. But instead he was just going through a dumb character arc. He acted like he was going to die within days, despite his father living a relatively long life. I know they said that was showing early signs, but it isn't like he had no way to treat it. For example, that weirdly designed Green Goblin suit. By the way, why did the venom turn his hair blond? Why did it go back to normal after he was stabilized? Did they just let him dye his hair in prison? Did Green Goblin even need to be in this movie? Why did his teeth rot for awhile?

Also, Rhino was just baaaaaad. The most cartoony of them all. It was weird how terrible he was as a criminal/murderer. Why did they even recruit him? Because he was the first to say yes?

So much unnecessary stuff. All the plane parts were dumb. Why did Dick Parker send the video to a place where only he or his wife knew about? Clearly they didn't plan on returning there. The video would've only meant something to Peter or his family. To everyone else they were criminals who stole company secrets, which technically they were. The video didn't prove their innocence or Oscorp's wrongdoings. The other plane part was unnecessary filler.

Speaking of that, what the hell Aunt May? Now you need money? Didn't think Peter could make it to college? I guess the Parker clan didn't have life insurance. Not that it matters, because she had "becoming a nurse in a couple of months" up her sleeve.

The worst part is how it ended with Peter getting over Gwen's death. Why not end it with the hero at his lowest point? That way you at least don't have Spider-Man quitting in the second film again. At least we got more funeral scenes, a reoccurring theme in all Spider-Man films. That and water defeating villians.
 
Trike said:
The worst part is how it ended with Peter getting over Gwen's death. Why not end it with the hero at his lowest point?
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He wasn't over Gwen's death at all. The final scene suggested that he was ready to try and move on to get over it, but months and months passed and at the end he decided that Spider-man was needed, and went back to the job.
 
orci/kurtzman problems. villains were straight trash indeed.

yet i ended up enjoying the film because i just really liked spiderman in here and peter whenever he was with gwen.

funnily enough this film would be so much better if there weren't any supervillains and he was just dealing with normal crime. and also if peter's parents weren't in it. who cares? why are they opening this film? i perked up when i saw him diving down new york.
 
I like the change in the death, it sounded painful, and Garfield's acting sold it, even if I knew it was coming the minute they announced green goblin was going to be apart of it.

There are major problems (like the ending.. Is rhino there to set up sinister six and ASM3)

I liked it.. I mean the best parts are the out-of costume character moments (which Webb does so well).

I do love the way the movie looks.. Visually it's beautiful (especially the electro battle at the power plant). Plus the web slinging across the city I love too.. It finally has a sense of soaring we he moves through the city.

I know they cut it out, but I really wish MJ would of showed up. I know they shot some
Parts with MJ, but cut it out that plot point completely. I felt that it would been a nice nod to the future if he sees her after he here's Gwen's speech.

I mean at this point we know she is going to be in ASM 3.

Also another random thought: so is felicity, Harry's receptionist, the Black Cat Felicity, or is that just a nod to the comic book fans, because I halfway expected her to show up in the suit in the movie at some point

Anyway that's my spolierific thoughts for the movie, I like it.. It's better than the first but still had a few issues.
 
Discotheque said:
orci/kurtzman problems. villains were straight trash indeed.
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I thought Rhino was goofy (but he always is), Electro was really neat (Dillon was awkward but I enjoyed the awkwardness), and Harry-Goblin was just great to me.

I really did like Electro's overall presence and how he seemed to keep developing as the film went on. I liked how he was just this sort of blue dude or whatever at first, then when Harry broke him out he felt more like some kind of omnipotent god, hovering in the air and shit.
 
Dead said:
I noticed they cut the scene where Harry mentions to Peter that Oscorp has been spying on him.

Wonder why. Didn't really feel like it was missing either anyways.

Also, for a while I thought the Rhino was completely cut out of the movie, im surprised they actually used the final shot in the film in all the trailers lol, though it actually worked really well.
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yeah i saw where they were going with it after he listens to gwen's speech though. i liked the final scene.

definitely should have cut out the plane scenes (the beginning isn't even the true beginning. when i watch this again i'm skipping straight to that awesome opening shot of spiderman's logo. to hell with his parents)

edit: sorry about double post
 
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