TheGreenGenetleman
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Man. I like your idea.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marcs Webb
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Man. I like your idea.
The crowbar was basically my favorite part of the movie too, I figured I was just immature, but I kept cracking up after that.
My biggest complaint was that almost every closeup converstion scene felt like it could have been literally 1/3 or 1/4 of the length. I also really didn't care for the dialogue, like Amazing Spiderman 1.
There was the whole scene where Peter is like "OK yeah I just lied to your face, OK I followed you everywhere at least once a day, OK sometimes it was more than once a day, OK I'm trying to manipulate your school choice and am not even remotely happy for you getting into a prestigious institution." And Gwen is all "Awwww, I knew it, and you did it all just to keep me safe right?" And Peter is like "Sure, let's go with that."
Side note, about the guy in the hat at the end, I had to Google it. Apparently he was some genius gentleman who was a minor character in the comics and has been waiting to get revenge, constructing enemies for Spiderman.
I seem to recall a scene in the trailer where Peter AND Harry see the underground labs but I could be wrong. The big one I missed was in the trailer, Harry says something like "Oscorp's been keeping you under surveillance, Peter!" "Why?" "Well, ain't that the question of the day."
That quote stuck with me, but it wasn't even in the movie.
One last thought about the movie: I like movies with scifi effects and I appreciate the tons of work that goes into it, like in Oblivion with all their GUI elements. I feel like with the Avengers 2, Transcendence, and Amazing Spiderman 2, the transparent futuristic GUI stuff is getting used a bit much, though. Like, a transparent computer monitor in an environment where people are concerned about security. Even if it's a bit difficult to see through from the front, how is that remotely a good idea?
Yeah I see people saying Peter is an asshole for not giving his blood and I have to wonder what movie they were watching. It's pretty clear Peter was afraid that there was another potential consequence besides death. Considering what happened to Connors and Oscorps involvement, his hesitation makes sense.
It was pretty clear that Electro was just there because Sony didn't want to advertise this as another Goblin film. GG has appeared in 3 of the 5 Spider-Man films.
Electro sucked, his back story wasn't needed and his motivations even for a comic book villain were too cheesy.
Harry Osborn's turn from kind of unhinged to lunatic was instant, all we know is that he's dying at some point in the next 40 years and he goes berserk trying to get Spider-Man's blood. Admittedly, he was the most intriguing of the villains but still could have used more finesse in turning him into the Goblin.
I'm left feeling like the Goblin stuff was good, but Electro is just another Lizard in forgettable villains/performances with flimsy motivations. It's a shame because Peter and Gwen have chemistry, and their performances are fantastic. The movie has its moments, but overall isn't cohesive. Spider-Man 2 still reigns supreme, Alfred Molina as a believable Doc Ock has alot to do with it.
Harry Osborn's turn from kind of unhinged to lunatic was instant, all we know is that he's dying at some point in the next 40 years and he goes berserk trying to get Spider-Man's blood. Admittedly, he was the most intriguing of the villains but still could have used more finesse in turning him into the Goblin.
I'm left feeling like the Goblin stuff was good, but Electro is just another Lizard in forgettable villains/performances with flimsy motivations. It's a shame because Peter and Gwen have chemistry, and their performances are fantastic. The movie has its moments, but overall isn't cohesive. Spider-Man 2 still reigns supreme, Alfred Molina as a believable Doc Ock has alot to do with it.
I guess. Did they advertise the Goblin much for Spider-Man 3? I remember lots of Sandman and Venom/Symbiote. Goblin was really only the main villain in Spidey 1... it's been 12 years, enough time has passed to tell another Goblin story. It sure didn't stop them from telling another origin story last time around...
Either way, it's sad. Movie felt too crowded. It baffles me that Mary Jane had a role in this movie at one point.
I assumed we were getting a 500 days of summer-esque ending w Mary Jane. Like a 5 second scene of her meeting peter
Hyperborean
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I have not read all this thread so I dont know if this question has been asked already.
How does the owner of a company (Harry) get fired from it? I mean shouldn't the Oscorp goons be his henchmen?
How does the owner of a company (Harry) get fired from it? I mean shouldn't the Oscorp goons be his henchmen?
peanutbutterlatte
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Unrequited love and death by skull being cracked open are two different things to pleasantly segue from.
BattleMonkey
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The whole needing to know what happened to his parents just wasn't needed at all. It served little importance at all to the plot, in the comics it was simple as it was "your parents died in a plane crash". Peter never needed closure, it never was an issue, his parents were dead and that's why they never came back. Here it gets dragged at as "they abandoned me", well they probably would have come back if they hadn't died. The movies spend a ton of time to build up this whole plot as if something important and shocking was to be revealed, when it really wasn't. It all came out revealed as a huge whimper that could have all be left on the cutting room floor without it really changing either movie.
peanutbutterlatte
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They didn't even have Eddie Brock Sr. trashing the plane like in the Ultimate comics 
True, totally agree. But here we go from him at the grave- to FUCKING GOOFY ASS RHINO
sketchsanchez
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So i found this funny, amd only because i already kmew this. Otherwise i'd be pretty pissed.
Here's what google now just told me
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Probs meant unconditional.
He was talking about 500 days of summer
I remember early leaks from a forum saying that after Gwen died, Peter proceeded to beat the shit out of Goblin. I think it's bullshit though, they also said that originally Goblin just snaps Gwen's neck.
BattleMonkey
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The parents story lines in the comics had much more meat to them, but also were never central to Spiderman. Again the parents storyline should have gone somewhere, instead its just another body for the peter death pile of angst/motivation which was more than covered better via the two Stacy's and Uncle Ben. Those three deaths flowed, but the parents story was so poorly tacked on.
It's pretty clear that Avi Arad, the other dude producing this, and Sony looked at what Feige did and, instead of being patient like Feige, they wanted to immediately jump into an expanded universe. I don't even know why Electro was in the movie; he was barely in it and this would've been amazing had they just focused on Peter, Gwen, and Harry.
Speaking of Harry, they really rushed his transformation to the goblin and it didn't make any sense. His dad lived for a long time before the disease caught up with him but Harry went from having a symptom of the onset of the disease to having all those scars out of nowhere. There could have been an entire movie about Harry's desperate search for a cure and the deterioration of his relationship with Peter but they just skipped to the end for no reason.
You could just see "executive decisions" all over the place and it's really irritating because all the main characters and the director are great but all this meddling just because Arad wants that Marvel Studios money is hurting the stories that they're trying to tell. I still love Garfield as Peter, Dane Dehaan was great, and Emma Stone did a great job, which makes everything even more disappointing cause it's not like the Raimi movies where it seemed like there were casting issues. Even though I think everyone outside the producers are perfect, this makes me want the movie to not make any money so that Sony gives up and lets the rights revert back to Marvel (I know that's not gonna happen).
I've been annoyed with critics bringing up Spider-Man 3 every time they see what they think are too many characters but that criticism was actually appropriate this time, and it's crazy cause Arad made pretty much exactly the same mistake he made with Spider-Man 3; it's like he didn't learn a single lesson from fucking up the last time.
Speaking of Harry, they really rushed his transformation to the goblin and it didn't make any sense. His dad lived for a long time before the disease caught up with him but Harry went from having a symptom of the onset of the disease to having all those scars out of nowhere. There could have been an entire movie about Harry's desperate search for a cure and the deterioration of his relationship with Peter but they just skipped to the end for no reason.
You could just see "executive decisions" all over the place and it's really irritating because all the main characters and the director are great but all this meddling just because Arad wants that Marvel Studios money is hurting the stories that they're trying to tell. I still love Garfield as Peter, Dane Dehaan was great, and Emma Stone did a great job, which makes everything even more disappointing cause it's not like the Raimi movies where it seemed like there were casting issues. Even though I think everyone outside the producers are perfect, this makes me want the movie to not make any money so that Sony gives up and lets the rights revert back to Marvel (I know that's not gonna happen).
I've been annoyed with critics bringing up Spider-Man 3 every time they see what they think are too many characters but that criticism was actually appropriate this time, and it's crazy cause Arad made pretty much exactly the same mistake he made with Spider-Man 3; it's like he didn't learn a single lesson from fucking up the last time.
For me, there's no real shift in tone there. Especially after the Aunt May scene, it serves to round off of Pete's arc in a pretty satisfying way. It's about Peter choosing to return and protect the city against the latest criminal lunatic.
It's not about some super emotional showdown with a terrifying villain. The beat with the kid really worked for me.
broncobuster
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Shouldn't Harry have another 30-40 years before he gets as bad as Norman and on the brink of death? Or were the signs showing up earlier for Harry?
Kept wondering if I missed a couple lines here or there. I didn't understand why Harry would crawl to the Goblin armor until they cut to the wrist LCD showing it healed him. Was that foreshadowed earlier in the movie? I remember Harry seeing the armor on Norman's flash drive, but where did the suit healing him come in? How did it heal him? What was it curing? Was he turning into a Lizard? Did it accelerate his disease to make him turn green and grow long fingernails like Norman? If the suit could heal that, why wouldn't Norman put on the suit? I know this sounds like nitpicking. Don't know if I missed some lines that built it up better. I liked that Harry was a brat before injecting himself and could buy his evil turn. The suit and glider were what confuse me.
Anyway, I appreciated how low the stakes were for the finale. A loved one and two airplanes are nothing compared to the absurd places other comic books go.
Kept wondering if I missed a couple lines here or there. I didn't understand why Harry would crawl to the Goblin armor until they cut to the wrist LCD showing it healed him. Was that foreshadowed earlier in the movie? I remember Harry seeing the armor on Norman's flash drive, but where did the suit healing him come in? How did it heal him? What was it curing? Was he turning into a Lizard? Did it accelerate his disease to make him turn green and grow long fingernails like Norman? If the suit could heal that, why wouldn't Norman put on the suit? I know this sounds like nitpicking. Don't know if I missed some lines that built it up better. I liked that Harry was a brat before injecting himself and could buy his evil turn. The suit and glider were what confuse me.
Anyway, I appreciated how low the stakes were for the finale. A loved one and two airplanes are nothing compared to the absurd places other comic books go.
peanutbutterlatte
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That word, it meant what I thought it meant.I didn't even think about this but you're right. so refreshing
His father says he tried everything he could think of the prolong his life. So he definitely experimented on himself which meant he could live longer. Harry is in a position where unless he too did something to prolong his condition, he would die.
The suit is shown when he goes through the files right before noticing Electro. He finds the file with the suit and it says some science gibberish which basically amounts to the suit being able to heal people while they are in it. I don't know why Norman didnt use it - only thing I can think of is that his condition had progressed to a point where it couldn't do anything for him anymore.
He's a 20 year old kid, and knows he will die. Of course you don't wait.I don't see the logic on waiting. Kids want things now
peanutbutterlatte
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Or. OR Norman was bullshitting, being the manipulative father he is in the comics and just wanted to use Harry as a test monkey for the Goblin serum.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Still gotta love Peter planning on moving to London with Gwen and being Spider-Man there. Dumb motherfucker just doesn't get it.
blitzcloud
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i gotta say I really liked how they portrayed her death.
I know in the comic her neck snaps, but here following the camera action it was just a flawless "she just destroyed every internal organ) slam even when the web caught up.
really dramatic.
I know in the comic her neck snaps, but here following the camera action it was just a flawless "she just destroyed every internal organ) slam even when the web caught up.
really dramatic.
I didn't read the comics so I don't know if they were trying to hint at something: Was there anything significant about showing Norman Osborne's bed, where people were cleaning everything up and running some sort of green laser scanner?
His decisions throughout the film with regards to Gwen were all pretty selfish. I guess he learned his lesson.
peanutbutterlatte
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He never got sick in this manner in the comics, to my knowledge, and he never died like this.
Lol- if he just stops being Spider-man after electro is in jail- Gwen survives, none of this dark-oscorp shit comes out, and Harry is fine kinda.
Welp.
Charles Foster Kane
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But he loves everything about being Spider-Man.
Haha, yah. True.
I'm actually praising the film though. He breaks his promise to Gwen's father, and puts her in danger repeatedly throughout the film. His priorities as a "hero" are completely off. I don't think that's just bad writing. It's intentional. He considers going to London with her? In a sense, there's something satisfying in that, but it's also immature and short-sighted.
His carelessness gets her killed, and he'll evolve as a character because of it. That's a solid arc. I think the film handles all that pretty well...especially once all is said and done.
Spider-Man's character has always been about "growing up", especially in the earlier issues of ASM (and throughout the entirety of USM). Gwen's death is an important part of that.
SCULLIBUNDO
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But that's the thing, while everything Peter does in the film shows that he still doesn't get it, Webb and co go out of their way to explain to the audience that her death isn't his fault. They try to alleviate him of responsibility. Even they don't fucking get it.
You've got Gwen running around the power plant thing screaming at Peter 'I'm here because I want to be! I choose to here. It's my choice!' She might as well have just stuck a gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger at that point.
So all those people who were saying Peter's lack of an arc in ASM was because Webb was playing the long game, instead of he and his writers just being terrible storytellers, were wrong. Now we've got people saying 'Yeah, but now Peter will know for next time, in SM3!'
I've got some snake oil to sell you people and these films are terribly written.
EliteArtist
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Enjoyed a majority of the film. Reaaally enjoyed the Harry and Electro tag team where they kill and recesitate the guy in Oscorp. I want more stuff where its a regular dude and a guy with powers just wrecking shit.
Throughout the film Gwen is resistant of Peter trying to keep her father's promise. That's her position, and it remains consistent. That doesn't change the fact that Peter was too immature to stay away. He knows Gwen's position, and he understands the problems with it and the danger...yet he allows himself to be swayed.
Maybe the fact that I enjoyed the film has me over-justifying, but had Peter stuck to his guns and kept away from Gwen (as he attempts to do twice throughout the film), she wouldn't have died. When she arrives at that power plant, he realizes he's fucked up. You can hear it in his voice. I forget the exact quote but it's something like "I'm serious. This isn't a joke. You shouldn't be here."
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In addition to that, he webbed her to the hood of the police car, but she cut herself loose to follow him to the power plant. Clearly he did everything in his power to keep her safe, it's not his fault she didn't listen!
SCULLIBUNDO
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I agree with all of this. But her continually reminding him about her choice to be there felt like the writers and director talking to the audience. It's not really his fault.
Instead, it should have been painfully clear that Gwen's death was a result of Peter's decision. That should have been a goddamn focus point. But the filmmakers go out of their way to rob Peter of any kind of responsibility for his actions.
Ding ding ding.
Was that before or after he see's the ghost of her father staring at him right before the Goblin kills her? It was entirely implied that her death resulted from Peter breaking his promise.
I get what you guys are saying though. Valid points.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I guess what it boils down to is that the filmmakers are saying 'Peter feels responsible for Gwen's death', as opposed to 'Peter is responsible for Gwen's death.'
Just saw the movie.
What I liked:
*Stacey and Peter still have way more chemistry than Tobey/Dunst.
*Action scenes were phenomenal. Very much how you would expect Spider Man to move around and fight. Some creative stuff in there.
*Solid visuals for the most part. Some stuff looked clearly CG but I really liked the Electro effects.
*I thought the guy that played Harry did a solid job. Not sure if I would put him over James Franco though.
*Had comical Spidey stuff that made me laugh, genuinely.
*Stacey's death scene was well done. Scene had the audience legit shook although I kinda saw it coming.
What I didn't like:
*Was about 20 minutes too long. Some scenes went on for too long while others weren't needed. While better paced than ASM1 it was still all over the place.
*The whole on off relationship was just poorly written in general. They could've just started with them being separated and then worked their way back at the end.
*I wish there was a super power in this series other than Oscorp. I am already getting really tired of every single villain spawning off of Oscorp.
*The airplane scene was just not needed at all. I get what they were trying to showcase there, that shits goes south when you don't have electricity but there was 0 tension and no one cared for the characters in that situation. It just detracted from the real climax that was going on somewhere else.
*Soundtrack was forgettable and at times was annoying especially the techno/dubstep stuff.
Decent Spider Man flick that excells in capturing the look and feel of comic book Spider Man and tries to capture the heart and soul but sloppy execution holds it back from being a great Spider Man film. Overall it's slightly better than the first but those who didn't like the first will probably not like this one either. But those who enjoyed the first one will enjoy this one too.
What I liked:
*Stacey and Peter still have way more chemistry than Tobey/Dunst.
*Action scenes were phenomenal. Very much how you would expect Spider Man to move around and fight. Some creative stuff in there.
*Solid visuals for the most part. Some stuff looked clearly CG but I really liked the Electro effects.
*I thought the guy that played Harry did a solid job. Not sure if I would put him over James Franco though.
*Had comical Spidey stuff that made me laugh, genuinely.
*Stacey's death scene was well done. Scene had the audience legit shook although I kinda saw it coming.
What I didn't like:
*Was about 20 minutes too long. Some scenes went on for too long while others weren't needed. While better paced than ASM1 it was still all over the place.
*The whole on off relationship was just poorly written in general. They could've just started with them being separated and then worked their way back at the end.
*I wish there was a super power in this series other than Oscorp. I am already getting really tired of every single villain spawning off of Oscorp.
*The airplane scene was just not needed at all. I get what they were trying to showcase there, that shits goes south when you don't have electricity but there was 0 tension and no one cared for the characters in that situation. It just detracted from the real climax that was going on somewhere else.
*Soundtrack was forgettable and at times was annoying especially the techno/dubstep stuff.
Decent Spider Man flick that excells in capturing the look and feel of comic book Spider Man and tries to capture the heart and soul but sloppy execution holds it back from being a great Spider Man film. Overall it's slightly better than the first but those who didn't like the first will probably not like this one either. But those who enjoyed the first one will enjoy this one too.
TheGreenGenetleman
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Damn that scene when GG got Gwen. If I'm Spider-man and someone got my girl like that, yeah I'll go and get her but my heart must have beaten so fast. Gwen's face while falling make me feel for her it seems like if I know I'll die and that's it for me, that would be my face.
It's really painful to watch the way she died. It's more brutal than the comics but that's not a bad thing for me. Sony and Marvel did not pussy out by killing her that's for sure. No goodbyes and last words must be so messed up. I'm glad that they did not go cheesy but man, that probably hurts so bad.
It's really painful to watch the way she died. It's more brutal than the comics but that's not a bad thing for me. Sony and Marvel did not pussy out by killing her that's for sure. No goodbyes and last words must be so messed up. I'm glad that they did not go cheesy but man, that probably hurts so bad.
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