BattleMonkey
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I thought it was awful looking.
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I thought it was awful looking.
But he's going to shave them! He's going to shave them all!
I know you're probably joking, but not really. If you didn't tell me that was from spider-man screenplay I would've thought it was just some action fight or something. Nothing spidey-like about it other than Tobey not being chub.
brandonh83
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No different than many other superhero movie villains. I felt this way about The Avengers and would argue that it was even worse in that movie. This movie wasn't about that anyway. I liked having the Lizard story as it helped bring some of that needed comic property cheese into the tone. One thing I was worried about with Webb was the initial concern that he'd make everything too serious and forget to have fun. That was some good crow.
So yes, the Lizard plot was basic but I could say that about Goblin, Doc Ock, Loki, etc. It's not the villain plots that makes these films work anyway.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
This is only because Tobey was in two enormously better spiderman films. Put Garfield's Spidey in an actual good Spidey film or either the next Avengers and that poll will be more even.
gutter_trash
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William Dafoe and Alfred Molina were awesome in their roles as Goblin and Doc Ock
this actor for the Lizard was lame and uninteresting, why go Brit? Doc Connors was supposed to have lost his arm during military service
brandonh83
Banned
I loved Ifans personally. I agree that the other guys were good too, but I'm talking about their basic plots here, not so much the performances.
Enormously better? Honestly, if I was in some universe and watched this movie first, and then SM1, i'd definitely be on ASM's side.
The reason why Tobey is so high on that poll is because this movie is less than a fucking week old and no one knows who Andrew Garfield even is. It isn't debatable whether or not Tobey is a better SM at this point.
brandonh83
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The longest fight scene was in broad daylight in a school. Loved that setting.
Probably just to further differentiate from the Raimi movies as their iconic for being set in a sunny happy NYC settings whereas this felt quite the opposite. Just about tone I guess.
I'm sure the next movie will be more varied.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
This is Tim Burton's Batman compared to Batman Begins, but it just happens to be that this time Begins came first in the Spidey-movie universe.
Note: I'm not saying SM1 is as good as Batman Begins (though SM2 is on the same level), and neither am I saying ASM is good as Tim Burton's original Batman (it's not).
The verdict is still out on Garfield's Spidey, but I saw potential to blow away Tobey's Spidey if grouped with the right director/script. Stone's Gwen already is better then Dunst's MJ, but that's just my personal preference. Them two single handily saved ASM from being a bad movie (IMO).
Ummm...
Something equivalent to the Macy day parade or the train fight would have been nice
SilentProtagonist
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No, no, ASM reviewed 'well' overall, Spider-Man2 was loved by critics, it was something everyone had to see when it came out. I'm aware that it's your opinion as to whether or not you liked the movies, but let's not get it twisted and act like Raimi's films were hated or even disliked anything but a small minority of people when they came out.
And your second statement is obvious, yes, there will always be people who disagree. There's obviously no movie that everyone unanimously loves..
...the school scene was the equivalent and thought it was shot nicer. The question was the mobility, The Lizard was all over the place.
:lol Nope Nope Nope to the bolded. Go back and watch SM1-2, you have the comparison backwards as far as tone goes. You can't compare either franchises anyway, but for what they're trying to achieve this universe is certainly more grounded with actual characters and less cheese, which is exactly what BB tried to do in contrast to Burton's movies.
That's not even talking bout the quality of the movies, just the direction. But if anything, Raimi SM is closer to pre-Nolan BM than anything. Very 'comic book cheese' type stuff.
Either way though, it seems like most people thought this movie was as good if not better than SM1, but a notch below SM2 (and obviously better than 3). As a movie, I think this was lacking in certain elements, but as a kickstart to the franchise, it was excellent. This franchise is destined to not only outlive the Raimi movies but to top them as well. Unless they seriously fuck up.
All the Raimi Spider-Man movies were classics (yes, even 3) on some lever or another to a degree that no matter how good ASM1 2 or 3 will ever be, those will still strike a great sense of nostalgia for a lot of people (me included). Even kids who saw SM3 loved it despite being shit, so they're all great just for doing what they did 'first' or 'right' for the time.
Good Job Bob
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Kurtzman & Orci laugh at this statement.
ViewtifulJC
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I don't see how you get that impression AT ALL. The consensus I've got around the web has been a collective shrug of indifference. "It was alright. Garfield/Stone were good!"
It isn't totally confirmed at this point that they're on board. And even if so, isn't a script 're-write' different from an actual originally written thing by them? As in, it's based on whatshisface's original script?
Not sure how it works tbh, but it's more worrisome at this point if Webb is coming back or not than them rewriting the script imo.
And they're both wasted on the 'Sci-Fi Original TV Movie'-level of camera-work and lighting in that first film!
That was pretty much my reaction. Lizard stuff was shit & that soundtrack was terrible.
gutter_trash
Banned
Garfield + Stone >>>>>>> McGuire/Dunst
BUT!!!!!
the rest of the cast of SM1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> cast of ASM
Lizard actor was lame and zzzzzzzzzz
oh your father, oh your father, oh your father STFU
BUT!!!!!
the rest of the cast of SM1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> cast of ASM
Lizard actor was lame and zzzzzzzzzz
oh your father, oh your father, oh your father STFU
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I'm not talking about tone, but quality. They mirror the batman movies pretty well (IMO). Most people don't think this is better then SM1 :lol, Not even the majority of GAF think that, much less the general public (which the verdict is still out admittedly). As far as critics go, this is at 72% while both Spidey one and two are both above 90%.
And nostalgia has nothing to do with this. I just recently watched both SM1 and SM2, a week before ASM. They are better films. Better script, More memorable scenes, and most importantly you can see the love for the material literally breathing out of the screen. Raimi loved Spiderman, and you can tell. Outside of Garfield and his relationship with Emma, you dot get that vibe out of ASM. If anything, I believe a lot of people are looking at this film through rose colored glasses just because they just saw it, and with repeat viewings, ASM's flaw will become even more apparent. And I don't understand why people are trying to skew what the intial reaction was to both SM1 and SM2 were; they were both universally loved by the majority of viewer-goers, while SM3 was universally hated.
Well, in real life most people are loving the action scenes and characters but were generally 'meh' to the villain. The actors and better spidey alone seems to get most people feeling better about it than SM1 in my experience. Especially the teens.
Also, most of those who've ranked it in this thread place it above SM1 from what I remember. Especially early on, a lot of impressions were that it was better than SM1 but below or equal to SM2.
The cast was never the main issue in either movie, even though it can be a hindrance or a plus, it ultimately comes down to the actual movie/script/characters.
Good Job Bob
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Yes, it's totally confirmed that they're on board.
Also, I agree that Webb coming back to direct would be more worrisome than K&O writing, hopefully they get someone that's actually competent this time.
Definitely. I just hope they don't try to force any bullshit love triangle on us.
gutter_trash
Banned
the script, writing and plot were bad damn straight. Overall, SM1 is still better
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I can get on board with this, but:
1. The writing made Garfield/Stone not nearly as good as they could of been, therefore they currently are only a notch above Tobey/Dunst as of now (IMO).
2. Sheen made a good Uncle Ben.
gutter_trash
Banned
the Uncle Ben post death reaction was like ?????????? sweep under the rug not much consequence
Good Job Bob
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It's been a long time since I've seen a film video where the leads are as neutered as they are in this one, even the Marvel Studios movies give their leads chances to shine.
Salvor.Hardin
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After watching it a second time, I don't think Webb should direct the sequel. He just doesn't bring any discernible strength to the movie. Perhaps he was able to direct the actors well which is why they did a good job, but having said that, he was working with already very good actors so his influence even in that regard is questionable.
The sets and especially the framing of the non-action shots are terribly lazy. He hasn't been able to direct the movement of the camera effectively which makes all the dialogue very stagnant and the action look static.
I do think he's a capable director, but I just don't think a big budget summer action movie is his thing at all.
The sets and especially the framing of the non-action shots are terribly lazy. He hasn't been able to direct the movement of the camera effectively which makes all the dialogue very stagnant and the action look static.
I do think he's a capable director, but I just don't think a big budget summer action movie is his thing at all.
Nostalgia absolutely has to do with it, and to deny that is delusional. That's not to say if you think SM1 is better than ASM you're purely basing it off of nostalgia, but as far as actual review numbers or comparing 'memorable scenes', you can't judge stuff like that in a vacuum for either experience. Not to mention a lot of critics contrast one another in impressions, largely because everyone remembers how they felt during the first spidey movies differently or didn't see it as repeatedly as others, etc.
I've seen them all before ASM btw, but I've watched SM1 over the years more than a dozen times, SM2 probably even more, and SM3 several times in actual theaters as well as later on TV. I practically know them all by heart, loved them no matter what, and adore the films. I remember eating up SM2's special features stuff, bought the soundtrack and all that. But I think you're in the minority if you think this movie was terrible (which I don't think you do, i'm just speaking generally).
I think SM1 had a better actually script, and because it was the first to really do SM origins you can't fault it for a lot of that even though there was definitely things that could've been handled better. The first movie to do SM on the big screen will always have more memorable scenes, especially when this is coming out in the same generational time span. Though I do think this one isn't packed with as much 'set piece' stuff as before (even origins wise) I have no idea how you can say it didn't 'breath' the material. This was the most genuine spider-man and parker I have ever scene. I think Webb is more in touch with portraying this character than Raimi ever was. That isn't the problem with this movie at all (quite oppositely, it's what makes it good). If our memories were erased and SM1 and 2 were to come out next year the reactions would be quite different. However, Raimi did something amazing with pulling the SM franchise off and literally sparked super hero film frenzy over the next several years. But as actual 'Spider-Man' movies, they weren't some stroke of genius comparable to Batman Begins imo, and neither is ASM.
Whelp, agree to disagree I guess, but there to me there isn't even a debate in this regard. I can hardly believe you watched SM1&2 before ASM and still come to that conclusion. :lol
WAT? No.
Joe Manganiello's Flash Thompson looks like 40 year old trying to be a high school student. Godawful. At least Chris Zylka looks like a high school student. Not to mention he got full character development here.
And I prefer the characterization of Connors to Dafoe's smarmy Osbourne. Far more subtle and less "Bwahahaha look at me, I'm evil. Check me out, I'm drooling over my son's potential GF" camp.
The Outsider
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That last guy he sent flying is apparently a TIE Fighter.
gutter_trash
Banned
Flash? seriosuly? you gonna come at me about Flash Thompson? a character that has less than 60 seconds or 120 seconds of screen time?
J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson destroys everything about ASM
ViewtifulJC
Banned
But that's why Norman Osborn was actually fun and memorable.
That's really the core of what makes the Raimi films so enjoyable: they created a Spider-Man that was first and foremost "fun" instead of corporate-mandated "respectable". That's why 2002 Spidey stick crackles with pop energy a decade later while dozens of comic book adaptations stagger about ineffectively in it's wake.
Killing_Joke
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Sucks about Kingpin. I thought Captain Stacey was hinting him during the dinner scene. Actually would have been a great change. Unlike every damn Spidey villain, Kingpin would have legit beef taking him out.
gutter_trash
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The Lizard was supposed to be an Army veteran who lost a limb not a Brit,
why go Brit?
why go Brit?
For you, maybe. For me, he makes Peter looks like a dumbass. This guy is oozing creepy vibe like a douchenozzle and yet Peter didn't suspect a thing until it's late.
I think there's difference between fun and camp. Avengers is what I'd call 'fun' film, Raimi's Spider-man were bordering too close on camp for my liking. Then again, I don't think Raimi is a good comedic director. His taste in comedy is a bit cringe-worthy for me, which was problematic in Army of Darkness and Spider-man 2/3. For my money, he works better in serious mode or full-on horror mode.
SilentProtagonist
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This is true for me too. I remember a bunch of scenes with Osborn word from word whether he was the Goblin or just out of costume. Can't say I remember any lines from Connors or... The Lizard, that weren't in the trailers (and half of that wasn't in the movie). And this is coming from a guy who works at a theater so I've basically been watching parts of ASM everyday.
SonicMegaDrive
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Youuuu haven't seen the last of ME, SPIDER-MAN!!!!
SilentProtagonist
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Well then, don't make a generalization claim about the supporting characters.
LOL, the irony. He's as bit player as Flash Thompson and yet here you are praising what is essentially a look-alike in appearance to comic book. He doesn't even get anything resembling character development. And no, Mr.Hyperbole, he didn't destroy everything about ASM.
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