Did you get that impression from all of Howard's 4 lines in SM3?
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Did you get that impression from all of Howard's 4 lines in SM3?
"Mature" as in she'll fall for douchebags and their dance moves? :lol
Seriously though, no doubt that Emma in SM3 was one of THE worst thing in the entire franchise as it was the first time the source material was literally just shat on in such a lazy way.
triplestation
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Damn right son.
I just caught this today. While it's much better than most of the recent superhero movies, I prefer the Sam Raimi directed spiderman 1. Andrew Garfield seems almost douchebaggy in a few scenes... Flash becomes his best bud, and I'm not too big a fan of Gwen Stacey basically throwing herself at him.
Same here, for me. Now, I understand that this is close to Spider-Man's characterization in the comics, but it doesn't seem to transition as well to live action as I would like. I've never read the comics (so I guess I'm more like a typical filmgoer...), but I would imagine that reading the snide remarks and insults works better in that fantastical world than hearing them in this "realistic" setting. Spider-Man just didn't seem very likable in this, which once again, I understand it's like the comics, but for a blockbuster movie, a likable main character gets the audience engaged more.
It might just be me, but I'm thinking that some of the changes to the source material they made in the Raimi films were for the better. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions though. I'm sure this movie was great for fans of the comics.
Speedymanic
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heh.
watched this earlier, thought it was pretty decent. Some poor pacing issues and editing aside, it was an enjoyable romp and it's nice to see Spidey back on the big screen.
Cinematography was wonderful though out the movie, a real highlight. Didn't like the look of the Lizard though, they obviously when with that design so as not to scare kids, but damn it looked more funny that intimidating.
Gwen was indeed glorious throughout, Garfield was 'decent' as Spidey, liked his all his quips during the few fights, but he definitely needs to grow into the role, he didn't command the role as well as Maguire did in SM1, which was slightly disappointing.
The 3d was crazy disappointing though, same goes for the lack of first person segments too.
Overall - 6/10.
I haven't seen the movie, but a Spidey with no quippage is really not a Spidey at all.
Observe Spectacular Spider-man, one of the few adaptations from the funny books that got it right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDT6r-R0Vs&feature=related
I swear it's like people who don't read the comics saw Raimi's films and took it as a gospel. Which is why I hate those trilogy.
There's nothing douchebaggy about Garfield's Spidey. He's sarcastic too in the later stage of his life (post Spider bite). Flash do eventually end up becoming his friend while Harry turns into his enemy.
Speedymanic
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Regarding Flash, did anyone else think there were some scenes cut with regards to his character development?
It's heavily implied that he's also lost someone close during the scene where Parker slams him up against the lockers and then later after the Lizard attacks, he looks in a state of shock, almost as if something similar (obviously not a lizard attack, but some sort of attack) happened in his past.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into those scenes, but it definitely felt like there was more to character but it was cut/not fully developed due to poor writing.
It's heavily implied that he's also lost someone close during the scene where Parker slams him up against the lockers and then later after the Lizard attacks, he looks in a state of shock, almost as if something similar (obviously not a lizard attack, but some sort of attack) happened in his past.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into those scenes, but it definitely felt like there was more to character but it was cut/not fully developed due to poor writing.
ThatObviousUser
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Even this looked better than what was in the movie! In the movie he had that stupid fricking permagrin.
JimiNutz
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I really didn't like the Lizard design but if he'd had the snout it would have been difficult to have the character talk and not look silly.
What was the last live action film you saw with a 'realistic' looking talking dinosaur?
Maybe he should have changed appearance as the film went on and slowly become less human looking.
For those that liked the film, do you want Webb to return?
I think he did a decent job but would really like to see someone like Whendon do the sequel. Or maybe (and this might be a little bit out there) Neil Blomkamp? (not sure of spelling - director that did District 9).
What was the last live action film you saw with a 'realistic' looking talking dinosaur?
Maybe he should have changed appearance as the film went on and slowly become less human looking.
For those that liked the film, do you want Webb to return?
I think he did a decent job but would really like to see someone like Whendon do the sequel. Or maybe (and this might be a little bit out there) Neil Blomkamp? (not sure of spelling - director that did District 9).
Even this looked better than what was in the movie! In the movie he had that stupid fricking permagrin.
Why so serious?
Phoenician_Viking
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Gwen>>>>>>>>>MJ. That is all.
This is painfully true, and it's especially apparent with everyone expecting the same 'responsibility' line verbatim in ASM, but don't realize the only reason that line is iconic in its attribution to Ben to begin with is because of the first Spider-Man movie, not the comics.
SM1-2 introduced a lot of the world to who SM is, for better or worse, and that's the 'origins' most people stick with in their expectations of who he should be, whether they acknowledge the comics or not.
I don't think Raimi's movies are 100% bad but yes this word for word. I said the same thing earlier in the thread about people having misconceptions regarding Spidey's nature.
ShinyBallBoy
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Guys, it was obvious, lizard's design was inspired by
The length people will go to attack them always surprises me.
Yeah, I do think a few scenes involving him probably talking to Peter post the incident got cut out. It'd explains why not only he's acting like a friend to Peter but also why Peter is responding positively to his invitation at that point in the story. It's a shame they condense it all in one film. I hope it's not regressed in the next film though. I hate when they do that. And I really hope there's none of those love triangle bullshit that happened with the first trilogy.
The Anti-Monitor
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I don't think Lizard being snout-less is not to scare the children. Children love dinosaurs, and large reptiles by extension, I really liked Lizard on the TAS jut based on that alone. They simply needed him to talk and figured it looked better without the snout.
Phoenician_Viking
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Sony said that the Origin story will be several films and not be resolved in TAS. Peter Parker´s father should be much more important in the sequel, at least that´s what i hope.
And no more GG please.
Beaniedude
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I didn't really like the ending.
When Gwen's Father is all like:
It was a reasonable movie over all.
When Gwen's Father is all like:
Actually Kid, I like you. You should continue being a vigilante and disobeying the law. It just seemed so out of character.
And why was he alone on the roof? Where was his backup?
And why was he alone on the roof? Where was his backup?
Hmmm I get what you're going at since Osobrn was always that smooth business-man looking guy, but I don't think he has the right look tbh. I know Hugo is red skull but I think he could work.
Some names i've seen thrown around in the past are Crispin Glover, Bryan Cranston, Hugo (though he's Red Skull in CA so prob. not), Guy Pearce (lol), John McGinley, Tim Roth, and a few other randoms.
I honestly have no clue, Dafoe is too ingrained in my mind at this point to even consider who else would make a good Norman/GG.
If this shit gets rebooted 10 years from now and we still haven't seen Gwen 'offed', and specifically by GG, then i'll have been pissed.
TheKaeptain
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He realized that Peter was the only person that could handle situations like the one they were in. Why would he not show that kind of support. All the cops that got there before he showed up were being turned into Lizards so the other cops were probably helping them.
Pachterballs
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right now; from recollection and from the actual cinema exp... ; I prefer tobey to garfield.
Speedymanic
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There's no denying that Maguire dominated the role of SM as soon as he appeared on screen. Garfield wasn't given enough time or material to help him become and dominated the Spidey role.
He was an amazing Parker though, they absolutely nailed that aspect of the character. All they need to do is focus on the Spdierman aspect of his character in the sequel.
I also didn't like his transition from wanted man to hero, it happened too fast. he heeded to win over more and people over the course of the first movie and finally be accepted by the city at large towards the end of the second movie.
If this is the first in a planned trilogy, it certainly didn't feel like one.
Grassclipper
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So I saw this last night, and I liked it. Andrew was miles better than Tobey as both Peter Parker and Spider-Man. And Emma Stone was fucking perfect. The pacing was a bit off and I thought a lot of things weren't properly explained. For example, my friends asked why Flash flipped out when Peter called him Eugine. And I my best answer to that was that he didn't like it when people called him that, still nothing one would beat someone up over.
Overall I liked the casting better in this movie, and I hope they expand on Flash is the sequels and give Andrew some more chances to "flex", if that is the right word to use.
But as enjoyable as the movie was, it was one of the most horrible moviegoing experiences I've had as there was a group of kids that just wouldn't fucking shut up. We were sitting right in the middle of the theater so there wasn't much we could do but I wonder why they wasn't thrown out. They were shouting over (ending spoilers)
and then left.
Shit like that makes me not wanna go to the movies.
Overall I liked the casting better in this movie, and I hope they expand on Flash is the sequels and give Andrew some more chances to "flex", if that is the right word to use.
But as enjoyable as the movie was, it was one of the most horrible moviegoing experiences I've had as there was a group of kids that just wouldn't fucking shut up. We were sitting right in the middle of the theater so there wasn't much we could do but I wonder why they wasn't thrown out. They were shouting over (ending spoilers)
Captain Stacy's death
Shit like that makes me not wanna go to the movies.
They are both differents and interesting, but I feel the same. For me MacGuire is Peter Parker, a lost nerd like me.
Otherwise, I think the sequel will be very exciting with the Peter's parents story.
Backwards Marathon
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Kingpin too, perhaps maybe some Tombstone?
thehypocrite
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I think they'll continue with the cross-species genetics angle. Maybe they'll have a mastermind under the scenes moving all of this so I think will get rhino, scorpio, morbious or a combination.
I feel that many here need to realize that this is a Spider-Man that is still a rookie, still learning how to be a superhero.
As long as they actually have a nearly full movie devoted to Venom in this trilogy, then I'll be pleased. The way he was handled in SM3 was an absolute disgrace and was probably one of the most disappointing aspects of any movie I can remember being excited for. I never really got into the comic books or anything, but Venom has always been the iconic Spider Man villain from my perspective and it's ridiculous that SM movie writers seem almost scared to incorporate him. Heck, the Batman series has had two amazing performances out of their iconic villain (Joker) - why can't Spider Man deal with their own great character.
I understand this, I just don't find it interesting or compelling. Having to watch Garfield's Parker 'become' Spider-Man feels redundant - we've had a fully grown one in comics for fifty years, and in movies for ten. I don't think a story about a Spider-Man who's a bit of a selfish dick with many lessons to learn is one burning to be told. That apparently an entire two hour and then some movie isn't enough to get him to that point - he's still an irresponsible doofus at the end of this one - just exacerbates it.
The Anti-Monitor
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Spidey's nemesis is Green Goblin, not Venom.
However, Venom is easily the most popular villain and definitely deserves a movie centered around him.
I have to be honest, seeing something like that talking would be pretty ridiculous.
Damn right it looks like a T-rex!
grimshawish
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This is the main reason Spidey 3 was a financial success. Venom was the perfect villain, god knows why they added all the rest of the rubbish - it didn't add anything to marketing or anything, just made a bad film.
ThatObviousUser
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Who says he has to talk? What did the Lizard say in this movie that was so damn important? "No parents. No uncle. All alone. POOR. PETER. PARKER!!!! RAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH"
Oscar worthy stuff right there.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
I believe Raimi wanted it to just be about the Sandman, but Sony wanted him to put in the venom because it would increase sale.
I could be wrong though.
Discotheque
Banned
Yes for sure. Although the director/scriptwriter helped a lot with this. If Andrew Garfield was cast in Raimi's trilogy for example, he would have knocked it out of the park and done even better than Maguire (who was great and STILL is great god damnit!)
and yeah I've started up on reading some Ultimate Spiderman from Bendis and while the Raimi films have a different tone from it I still liked his first film more than this. I just feel like it was a tighter experience while this just felt bland at times and missing elements. Still, the potential is there for a good franchise and one thing I'll give this is that it reinvigorated my interest in Spidey again. I realized how much I love the previous films and now it has me wanting to read some more Spiderman comics and play the games.
Attackthebase
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There were a lot of writing problems with this film, but I really dug the characters and overall film.
I didn't mind that the classic line, "With great power comes great responsibility" was omitted. The philosophy was the important bit, and that was clearly portrayed.
I didn't mind that the classic line, "With great power comes great responsibility" was omitted. The philosophy was the important bit, and that was clearly portrayed.
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