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Just to talk about the sequels again, if they go down the organised crime route I hope they use Black Cat. She would fit in well with that story.
A lot of potential there since they've never even played with that character before, at all. They could go the Ult. route a bit with him being tempted by this older woman who's attracted to him and thinks he's married or something. This got me good back in the day;

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wait, flash was in this movie? or is this anotha flash y'all talking about?

EDIT: Never mind. I should use this google tool more often lol
 
If SM3 didn't have Venom I really believe it had the potential to be a good film. The Sand-man parts ranged from decent to great (though admittedly SandMan killing Uncle Ben was the stupidest thing ever) while Franco himself did pretty great as the new psycho GG. But spending time on Peter turning "bad", having to shoe-horn in Gwen because of Venom, and having the shitty ass arc for Venom (even worst then Lizard here) intertwine with everything else going on is what made SM3 so terrible.
 
If SM3 didn't have Venom I really believe it had the potential to be a good film. The Sand-man parts ranged from decent to great (though admittedly SandMan killing Uncle Ben was the stupidest thing ever) while Franco himself did pretty great as the new psycho GG. But spending time on Peter turning "bad", having to shoe-horn in Gwen because of Venom, and having the shitty ass arc for Venom (even worst then Lizard here) intertwine with everything else going on is what made SM3 so terrible.
If they booted out Gwen, Venom, and the Ben arc, it would've had potential. Otherwise I doubt it. The issue with Venom was simply how fast it happened and how little we saw of it. I didn't really like the Franco GG version either, looked weird imo and just felt like too much of a deviation from who that character is/should be, that it wasn't satisfying enough. If they fleshed out the Sandman and Hobgoblin stories more and scraped everything else, it would've made for a more coherent film for sure.
 
If they booted out Gwen, Venom, and the Ben arc, it would've had potential. Otherwise I doubt it. The issue with Venom was simply how fast it happened and how little we saw of it. I didn't really like the Franco GG version either, looked weird imo and just felt like too much of a deviation from who that character is/should be, that it wasn't satisfying enough. If they fleshed out the Sandman and Hobgoblin stories more and scraped everything else, it would've made for a more coherent film for sure.

Yep, I think if they kicked out Venom, Gwen, and Bad Petter storyline they would of had much more time to flesh out Sandman and Franco's story along with the Peter/MJ relationship after knowing about Spiderman, and therefore it would of had the potential to be a hugely better film.

Didn't they have a script written before Venom was forced in? I would love to have the chance to read that.
 
If SM3 didn't have Venom I really believe it had the potential to be a good film. The Sand-man parts ranged from decent to great (though admittedly SandMan killing Uncle Ben was the stupidest thing ever) while Franco himself did pretty great as the new psycho GG. But spending time on Peter turning "bad", having to shoe-horn in Gwen because of Venom, and having the shitty ass arc for Venom (even worst then Lizard here) intertwine with everything else going on is what made SM3 so terrible.

Without Venom, I think the Sandman storyline would have been much different. I don't think they would have done a retcon with Uncle Ben's death. Without the need for Evil Peter, there's no need for him to hold a personal grudge against The Sandman. There's also no need for him to reject the Alien Symbiote and its darker urges. Say what you will about Raimi's trilogy, but they are all thematically sound and well constructed.
 
I really liked this movie. I though Andrew Garfield was a more convincing and better Spiderman than Tobey Maguire. And I don't agree with people who said that this movie is so emotionally in a negative way.
 
SM3 has thin characters and is a total mess plotwise, but it shines in action sequences and humor(maybe even unintentional, but there it its). It's never NOT entertaining, which I can't say the same for ASM. There's always a scene like the Sandman transformation scene or brilliant Bruce Campbell cameo right around the corner.
 
Hmmm I get what you're going at since Osobrn was always that smooth business-man looking guy, but I don't think he has the right look tbh. I know Hugo is red skull but I think he could work.

Some names i've seen thrown around in the past are Crispin Glover, Bryan Cranston, Hugo (though he's Red Skull in CA so prob. not), Guy Pearce (lol), John McGinley, Tim Roth, and a few other randoms.

My inner Scrubs fan just squealed, although I'm not too sure how well he would work, as McGinley seems to be geared more for comedy.
 
I agree with the people above who're saying Spider-Man 3 would be a choice movie if it were completely different. I feel the same way about Die Hard 4. With a different script, director, cast, producer, budget, etc. it could have been a quality film.

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Come now. It's as vague as Batman Begins. What did that card even mean?

Tim Roth would channel the Willem Dafoe Osborn really well. Also Bryan Cranston would be interesting casting.

Tim Roth already played comic bad guy in The Incredible Hulk. But then again, casting the same actors in different comic movies is a thing now.
 
I agree with the people above who're saying Spider-Man 3 would be a choice movie if it were completely different. I feel the same way about Die Hard 4. With a different script, director, cast, producer, budget, etc. it could have been a quality film
People are saying that if Sony didn't meddle and make Raimi shoehorn in an entire villain/plotline he didn't want to, that it could have been a good movie. Not really unreasonable.
 
As bad as the whole symbiote/Venom thing was it gave us cocky Peter Parker which was fucking hilarious. I wish they just cut the entire venom plot and Sandman killing Ben and yet left in selfish, asshole, drippin swagu Peter Parker for a bit. Seriously, those scenes did not feel out of place at all in the series. I think people were just frustrated with the entire end product so they placed the blame on emo parker.
 
Tim Roth already played comic bad guy in The Incredible Hulk. But then again, casting the same actors in different comic movies is a thing now.
Well considering that will have been 8 years ago by the time GG makes an appearance in ASM, I doubt that'd be an issue. I think he's probably too short, though. :lol
 
I agree with the people above who're saying Spider-Man 3 would be a choice movie if it were completely different. I feel the same way about Die Hard 4. With a different script, director, cast, producer, budget, etc. it could have been a quality film.

The difference is Spider-Man 3 had all the ingredients for a great film and even has many good aspects to it. A myriad of undercooked plot lines inevitably caused it to totally collapse by the final third but there's good fun to be had getting there. Keep the same director, cast, producer, budget - change the script.
 
Topher Grace as Venom was awful along with everything else lol, if they do Venom again they need someone who is physically imposing.
 
Guys, I can't wait for ASM2. I hope they knock the first one out of the park with it.

But.....isn't the script being written or rewritten by a Transformers guy? Should I be afraid because of that? I really want them to make it amazing :(
 
But.....isn't the script being written or rewritten by a Transformers guy? Should I be afraid because of that? I really want them to make it amazing :(

Orci and Kurtzman are halfway decent. Their transformers work was handcuffed by Bay and Hasbro. Orci actually went to get fans input on how the characters should be done. Although, Bay killed a lot of that. Their work on Star Trek was decent. Ehren Kruger is the writer to be feared from the Transformers franchise.
 
Orci and Kurtzman are terrible. Somebody in this thread said they're only in to rewrite the action scenes. That makes no sense but I hope it's true. Leave them out of any dialogue or plot details, if they're involved it will be worse than this film.
 
If Raimi just adapted that 60s Spiderman episode where a bunch of villains team up against Spiderman and Spidey insults them all to the point where they all just knock each other out.....well, it would have been greatness.
 
Orci and Kurtzman are terrible. Somebody in this thread said they're only in to rewrite the action scenes. That makes no sense but I hope it's true. Leave them out of any dialogue or plot details, if they're involved it will be worse than this film.

I'm pretty sure that's just wishful thinking. You don't bring in Orci and Kurtzman in, pay them what they get paid nowadays, and simply have them write set pieces. They're being brought in because they're Orci and Kurtzman. There's always the hope that they get too busy to stay with the project, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
I really liked this movie. I though Andrew Garfield was a more convincing and better Spiderman than Tobey Maguire. And I don't agree with people who said that this movie is so emotionally in a negative way.

Totally aggree with you there. Andrew Garfield is a much better Spiderman.
 
Orci and Kurtzman are terrible. Somebody in this thread said they're only in to rewrite the action scenes. That makes no sense but I hope it's true. Leave them out of any dialogue or plot details, if they're involved it will be worse than this film.
Even with Orci & Kurtzman attached, it'll be impressive if the sequel manages to be a bigger turd than this one.
 
Hmmm, thinking of sequel villains again, how about Scorpion? I really think they need to do a new villain, because if they just go with Green Goblin again they're going to run head first into those "re-tread" complaints again, which they should be avoiding now that the origin is out of the way.
 
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+ Spider-man's movement, action
+ Denis Leary
+ Andrew Garfield (75% of the movie)

- Weak Villain
- Poor build up, pacing
- Pointless story arcs that go no where
- Characters with no conviction
- Spider-man suit looks real cheap in certain scenes
- Weak 3D

Garfield was great for a major part of the movie. There were a few scenes he could have done better but I guess he did his part enough for me to like him more than Tobey. Denis Leary was great IMO, best of the side characters. He nailed his part as good as Simmons nailed Jonah Jameson in the Raimi movies. I didnt like Uncle Ben/Aunt May as much even though they had a lot more screen time than their characters in the previous movies. Dont have anything to commend about Emma as she was just being Emma and nothing more.

I guess the biggest disappointment for me is Webb's treatment of the characters. Sure he got the awkward love story correct but the chemistry is just there, it doesnt go from 0 to 100.

Connors goes from being angry on Parkers to having no morals about them meeting their fate to having morals again about testing on veterans to then no morals on inflicting harm on innocent people as the lizard to becoming the king lizard and being dismissive of human being a weak species to then conveniently in the end having morals again to save Peter in the end. If there was one villain that is all over the place then Connors is definitely the very definition of it.

The origin stuff was also very poorly conceived and executed. I mean from the spider bite to Peter realizing his powers to the training montage on his skateboard, it all felt flat and cheap (the humor too - lady's tshirt sticking to Pete's hand and OMG lol I saw that woman's bra LOL LOL). Compare that to Raimi's SM1 and the shot of Tobey climbing the wall for the first time and it is shot so beautifully. Here we have Garfield doing a few finger pushups on the tower and then jumping off the building on a gadget that he just frickin' built, I mean the danger in that scene was as much as the tension in the final battle, nothing.

As for the 3D aspect, IMO not worth it. I had so much hopes on the 3D for this movie, so much that I argued with Sculli on it .. :( .. I had higher hopes on the 3D of this movie more than Hobbit, thats how much my expectations were and I was let down. I'd say even the 3D in Transformers 3 was better. The web slinging and action was great though and easily the best parts of the movie. The action was better than SM2's, thats how good it was. Especially the closing sequence was the best choreographed and it could have kept going forever.

The Spidey suit also looked terrible in certain scenes, especially the ear part - it was sticking out like a sore thumb. I know they somehow cover the ear part with the mask but here you could clearly see the ear and the overall shape of Spidey's head was out of whack. Its just a minor detail but if that was intentional then they surely got it right :/

Also Webb doesnt know when to end a scene for example, when Garfield is angry on Uncle Ben & Aunt May, walks out slamming the door behind them, it was unnecessary as the audience were connecting with the emotional Garfield and on this everyone started laughing their asses off, it was just really off. And to make things worse, Uncle Ben walks out and looks back at Aunt May through the broken glass, it was like a final piece of laughter left in to ruin whatever that was built earlier.

And a few things are best unsaid, Emma turning around and saying "Oh, he made you promise, didnt he!!!1" was also unncessary IMO. That is what made SM1's end so great, Peter walking off with the monologue on why he chose that way. Here we have, promises blah blah *wink* *wink* LOL LOL. It's like to stand out, they did exactly the opposite of the first movie. Bah.

I'm just too bummed out with the movie right now. Maybe if I catch it a second time depending on my friends, my opinion will change .. slightly

I agree wholeheartedly... the writing left many holes in the movie and there was more awkwardness then needed. I left the movie not looking forward to the sequel to be honest. This movie came off as a crappy romantic comedy with a few action scenes.
 
Hmmm, thinking of sequel villains again, how about Scorpion? I really think they need to do a new villain, because if they just go with Green Goblin again they're going to run head first into those "re-tread" complaints again, which they should be avoiding now that the origin is out of the way.
Scorpion isn't worth a full movie, he's a filler villain.
 

I kind of life Half in the Baf, but that was a terribly review. There are legitimate criticisms for this movie, and many of them, but those guys hardly stated any. And what's with the third 'comic book' dude? His presence was pretty useless.

Edit: If a hack like David S. Goyer can turn out a decent script in the form of Batman Begins, then perhaps Orci and Kurtzman can do something similar for Spidey.
 
Saw this and really enjoyed it, I am going to go back and watch the original trilogy I think.

Few fun plot holes to discuss on the way home with my friends, like why did the semi evil Osborn employee have to go himself to the homeless shelter? was he going to test out the formula on people himself?

Looking forward to the sequel, I am happy if they keep rebooting these comic book series as long as they keep them interesting.
 
I kind of life Half in the Baf, but that was a terribly review. There are legitimate criticisms for this movie, and many of them, but those guys hardly stated any. And what's with the third 'comic book' dude? His presence was pretty useless.
Thought it was a great review, they pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to how I feel about this movie.

Edit: If a hack like David S. Goyer can turn out a decent script in the form of Batman Begins, then perhaps Orci and Kurtzman can do something similar for Spidey.
Batman Begins had Nolan directing.

Who's directing TAS2? If it's Webb than it will be shit.
 
Scorpion isn't worth a full movie, he's a filler villain.
Not to mention that watching ASM at a glance, you'd think Lizard was Scorpion. Going with another big bad greed dude with a tail, suit or not, would be a mistake. I'm guessing GG will end up being more monster than suit, but that probably won't be in ASM2 as to not make this franchise seem like a 'mutated monsters' magnet. I'm hoping for a more grounded villain the the sequel, be it technological or accidental.
 
After the Lizard, going with another lame villain like the Vulture would be a huge mistake. The Raimi trilogy used pretty much all of the series' best villains. At this point, retreading ground is unavoidable. Considering that Norman Osborn was mentioned several times in the film, and given that Oscorp was such a huge focus of the movie, the Green Goblin would make the most sense.
 
What a horrible movie. Worse than Spiderman 3, which was pretty bad.
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After the Lizard, going with another lame villain like the Vulture would be a huge mistake. The Raimi trilogy used pretty much all of the series' best villains. At this point, retreading ground is unavoidable. Considering that Norman Osborn was mentioned several times in the film, and given that Oscorp was such a huge focus of the movie, the Green Goblin would make the most sense.
Too soon imo, but that's probably what they'll do. Or a Proto-Goblin (Irfan) side-story in 2 leading up to GG in 3. But they need a main villain to go with.

Vulture would need to be drastically rethought to fit in this movie or on the big screen at all, it'd be interesting to see how they would do that, though. Maybe a disgruntled employee of Oscorps enemy company or something, who wants to get back at Oscorp/Osborn and uses his invention to do that. It'd be a sort of one dimensional character but a cool villain if they can pull it off, while still tying in with the or ins arc somehow.

I'm dying for a leak the possible villain(s) being looked at for the sequel, simply because it's so up in the air at this point that they could do anything villain-wise.

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Marc Webb did an amazing job. The action scenes were O_O
Don't mind Bob, he's practically the only one shitting on Webb so hard. :lol
 
Not to mention that watching ASM at a glance, you'd think Lizard was Scorpion. Going with another big bad greed dude with a tail, suit or not, would be a mistake. I'm guessing GG will end up being more monster than suit, but that probably won't be in ASM2 as to not make this franchise seem like a 'mutated monsters' magnet. I'm hoping for a more grounded villain the the sequel, be it technological or accidental.

How about Kraven and Chameleon for Amazing Spider-Man 2? Opening the movie with a epic battle between Kraven and introduce Chameleon later on. Chameleon is related to Kraven. Chameleon is hired by Norman Osborn.
 

I'm honest here: With the intro and all, and those guys clearly knowing nothing about Spiderman, like, at all, this video somehow made me think about why I am even listening to completely random strangers to hear what they think of some movie I'm looking forward to see.

They have no "better" or more educated opinion than I would have, and this video somehow made this point perfectly clear. I don't even know why exactly, since I usually watch a lot of, let's say Jeremy Jahns' videos on YT.

Maybe I felt like those dudes started to take themselves way too serious with this, and the cringeworthy, unfunny and downright insulting "story" around those HitB videos doesn't really help, compared to that, Linkara is a mastermind director and top-notch actor.

Yeah, I liked you guys when you sticked to Star Wars in depth reports, 'cause you know what you were talking about and backed it up with evidence and examples. Nowadays, not so much.
 
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