I was thinking Mysterio with the cape flourish.
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I was thinking Mysterio with the cape flourish.
DimmuBurgerKing
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Yup.
Kingpin is owned by FOX as part of the Daredevil rights.
thecouncil
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1. why were actual lizards attracted(?) to Connors? was there any reason given in the movie? was there any reason for actual lizards to be IN the movie other than to just walk around sometimes?
2. why did Uncle Ben leave that strange phone message full of praise on Peter's phone when Peter forgot to pick up Aunt May and then act really mad once Peter got home?
3. how did spider man get in the car when the car thief was trying to steal it? did he drive up with the guy who owned it?
4. did spider man ever find the guy who killed Ben? cause i think that car thief was the last guy he checked and that guy didnt have the tattoo either. (i actually feel like i missed something here because they couldnt've just dropped that storyline.)
5. was Connors' ultimate plan (
) written by a 5 year old? such an unoriginal plot.
6.
7. why did spider man need cranes to get from one end of the city to the other when he travels from one end of the city to the other all the time without cranes lining up?
maybe the first time ive ever seen spider man see a building down a street and basically say, 'i just cant get there'...
the whole crane scene and the dad saving him when he missed was so cheesy that i actually died. someone in the theater had to revive me.
the relationship between peter and gwen was pretty good. the actors did well with those roles and actually made me feel something in the final scene between the two of them.
i liked all the web action and the way spider man moved in the two main fights with Lizard.
i liked when he set up a web in the sewers like a real spider... even though i dont know why he did it or what he was hoping to get out of it. what did Peter expect to happen there?
Connors/Lizard, as a character, was kind of a mess.
it felt way too long.
it was a fine movie. didnt hate it, didnt love it.
it would be pretty rad if a sequel deals with the green goblin / death of gwen stacy. that might actually be something.
2. why did Uncle Ben leave that strange phone message full of praise on Peter's phone when Peter forgot to pick up Aunt May and then act really mad once Peter got home?
3. how did spider man get in the car when the car thief was trying to steal it? did he drive up with the guy who owned it?
4. did spider man ever find the guy who killed Ben? cause i think that car thief was the last guy he checked and that guy didnt have the tattoo either. (i actually feel like i missed something here because they couldnt've just dropped that storyline.)
5. was Connors' ultimate plan (
turn everyone into a lizard
6.
the antidote that spread across the city only cured the 5 cops that got turned, right?
7. why did spider man need cranes to get from one end of the city to the other when he travels from one end of the city to the other all the time without cranes lining up?
maybe the first time ive ever seen spider man see a building down a street and basically say, 'i just cant get there'...
the whole crane scene and the dad saving him when he missed was so cheesy that i actually died. someone in the theater had to revive me.
the relationship between peter and gwen was pretty good. the actors did well with those roles and actually made me feel something in the final scene between the two of them.
i liked all the web action and the way spider man moved in the two main fights with Lizard.
i liked when he set up a web in the sewers like a real spider... even though i dont know why he did it or what he was hoping to get out of it. what did Peter expect to happen there?
Connors/Lizard, as a character, was kind of a mess.
it felt way too long.
it was a fine movie. didnt hate it, didnt love it.
it would be pretty rad if a sequel deals with the green goblin / death of gwen stacy. that might actually be something.
EliteArtist
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Just to address the Voice Mail from Uncle Ben, he left that AFTER Peter stormed off. The way you point it out, it's as if he left it before their whole fight and that doesn't make any sense given the fact the message references parts of the actual fight and why Ben thought Peter was upset. That being said, I loved Martin Sheen in the role. The voice mail was just really great.
Skiesofwonder
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I think ASM missed out on a great opportunity by not introducing
along with The Lizard storyline. It could of lead to a great motive for him being the villain in the sequel with
. Since that didn't happen, I have a bit of an oddball villain-wish for the sequel. I would like to see the enforcers and chameleon teaming up, and I believe it could make for very interesting film with Webb's grittier version of Spidey. But, I don't think any director/producer will see them important/interesting enough to base a movie around.
As for what I think of the teaser,
. Which, personally, I think both films will be an absolute mess going by how much trouble this movie had in establishing anything worthwhile character-wise just with The Lizard.
Kraven
Spiderman showing him up and taking down The Lizard first
As for what I think of the teaser,
I believe it is hinting towards Doc Ock with the top hat, and potentially the start of a road that leads to the sinister six in the third film. I also think the second film will have Green Goblin as well, and will go through the whole Gwen Stacy infamous storyline along with introducing MJ
Skiesofwonder
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Maybe so, but the movie gives the impression that the voicemail is left
before the fight because they show Peter checking his phone to see who is calling while talking to Connors, which is Uncle Ben, and Peter decides to ignore said call. I don't remember them showing Uncle Ben calling again or Peter ignoring anymore calls (correct me if I'm wrong) so it's understandable for the viewer to assume that the voicemail was left right after the call we saw Peter ignoring
Good review. They were pretty harsh lol
I saw it today and enjoyed it very much. It was a good reboot as it did not flat out copy the first film. I felt the Lizard- Spiderman dynamic worked better here since they are both the same creation of cross species genetics.
But what I am dying to know is this: Is there ANY way/ chance they will cast J.K. Simmons as JJJ in ASM 2 ????
But what I am dying to know is this: Is there ANY way/ chance they will cast J.K. Simmons as JJJ in ASM 2 ????
italianfreak240
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I think he didn't know which way to go so he set up the web so he would know which way to when it was tripped plus trying to get a picture.
Skiesofwonder
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Anyone notice the strong "parallel" between SM1 and ASM when
.
It was like Deja Vu.
Connors is threatened with being fired, then tries the test material on himself out of desperation, turns into a freak monster, and hunts down the person who fires him and tries to kill him
It was like Deja Vu.
AgentChris
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That would be great but I doubt they will. Somebody needs to save J.K. from those Farmers commercials.
TacticalFox88
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You want the
Sinister Six
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
No, I wanted
Kraven
Sinister Six
Sinister Six is way too much to cram in, and too ridiculous for film. Not only that but we've already seen Doc Ock and Sandman. Kraven would make for a good storyline by himself especially. I don't think Sony would think that would be a good idea ever.
I'd be surprised if we see Doc Ock anytime soon, especially not in ASM2. Too redundant, too many parallels and comparisons with Raimi. I think it has to be a new face with Goblin for the third.
I'd be surprised if we see Doc Ock anytime soon, especially not in ASM2. Too redundant, too many parallels and comparisons with Raimi. I think it has to be a new face with Goblin for the third.
EliteArtist
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Yeah except Stormin' Norman actually got things done.
And I can't remember Ben trying to call again. I guess you can assume he did, that's what most people would do in that situation when someone's up and disappeared.
I don't see why it can't work. It's the Avengers only with the protagonists & antagonists flipped.
Except the Avengers all got their own films for the most part. Trying to explain the Sinister Six would either be way too long or too glossed over, which leaves audiences perplexed and fans peeved.
EliteArtist
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The problem with that being that most of the Avengers were characterized in other films. Although, it would be an interesting approach if someone (maybe Norman) went around and collected all of these super humans to fight Spider-man. You could even link them to Richard Parker and have Norman tell them the reason they're all so messed up is because of the Parkers, but just imagine ALL of the CGI...
I saw this with a friend today and actually enjoyed it quite a bit more than the original trilogy. The crane sequence made me cringe, but I understand what they were trying to go for with the unsure Spider-Man. At that point, he still hadn't mastered web slinging and was just hopping from building to building. So it makes sense that being injured, he surely couldn't have done it if he even had the courage to.
Was definitely a fan of Garfield and Stone. Preferred both of them to the "couple" we had in the original trilogy. But I think they need to introduce Goblin in the second film and do the famous storyline at the very end. MJ also needs to be introduced in the second film in a minor role. They don't need to go overboard with a Twilight-esque love triangle, but she could just be someone Aunt May introduces to him or something. I think saving
for the third film would be a mistake since they wouldn't have enough time to set up
Overall, excellent film and I'm still curious as to who the dude was in the cell. I like those sorts of teasers.
Was definitely a fan of Garfield and Stone. Preferred both of them to the "couple" we had in the original trilogy. But I think they need to introduce Goblin in the second film and do the famous storyline at the very end. MJ also needs to be introduced in the second film in a minor role. They don't need to go overboard with a Twilight-esque love triangle, but she could just be someone Aunt May introduces to him or something. I think saving
Gwen's death
Parker and Mary Jane's relationship.
Overall, excellent film and I'm still curious as to who the dude was in the cell. I like those sorts of teasers.
Musha_Soturi
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Ok so I finally watched this today and I reallly, really liked it. I loved the way Spidey moved, and the relationship between Peter and Gwen was very believable. A couple of 'huh?' moments but not to many to spoil the enjoyment. Awesome, deserves more than the 3/5 most reviews have given it.
Skiesofwonder
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This.
Though the teaser had to be
Doc Ock, with the top hat because it would make sense that Connor and Ock know each other (and Peter's dad) because both are doctors and Ock has a history of working on technology that would fit in with Osborn industries
Sinister Six
I've just saw the movie and I really enjoyed it. The whole origin story was done differently enough so it wasn't a boring rehash of universally known events, the relationship between characters were well done, the action was good and the web swinging was amazing.
Garfield was much better than Maguire not only as Spider-Man, but also as Peter. He was still a geek, but wasn't an oaf as Maguire's Peter. Unlike in Raimi's movies, here the transformation from Peter to SM was actually believable because his character never changed; both before and after the spider bite he acted the same, only after the bite he had powers to use. The whole learning new powers process was really natural.
The only weak link in the movie was the Lizard. He was really an undeveloped character. I liked Connors before his first transformation, but after that the switch from good Dr. Connors to bad Dr. Connors was really sudden. The plan to turn everyone into lizards came out of nowhere. There was no foreshadowing for it and no explanation. Sure, for Connors turning into a lizard was a good thing because he could regenerate his arm, but how would it help other people? It rather looked as if Connors snapped after the first transformation and only came into sense after he received the cure.
Which lead to me question, why was there even an antidote in the laboratory? I doubt they needed the antidote before, because Fred was the first mouse who even survived the operation, and no one knew about Connors experimenting on his own body. And how did Gwen know about it, and how to produce it?
I don't think so. After the scene at the bridge he understood that he shouldn't use his powers for the vendetta, but to help people instead.
Because he was shot in the leg, and bleeding badly. Haven't you noticed that he had a hard time moving around the city after the fight with cops?
it was a fine movie. didnt hate it, didnt love it.
Garfield was much better than Maguire not only as Spider-Man, but also as Peter. He was still a geek, but wasn't an oaf as Maguire's Peter. Unlike in Raimi's movies, here the transformation from Peter to SM was actually believable because his character never changed; both before and after the spider bite he acted the same, only after the bite he had powers to use. The whole learning new powers process was really natural.
The only weak link in the movie was the Lizard. He was really an undeveloped character. I liked Connors before his first transformation, but after that the switch from good Dr. Connors to bad Dr. Connors was really sudden. The plan to turn everyone into lizards came out of nowhere. There was no foreshadowing for it and no explanation. Sure, for Connors turning into a lizard was a good thing because he could regenerate his arm, but how would it help other people? It rather looked as if Connors snapped after the first transformation and only came into sense after he received the cure.
Which lead to me question, why was there even an antidote in the laboratory? I doubt they needed the antidote before, because Fred was the first mouse who even survived the operation, and no one knew about Connors experimenting on his own body. And how did Gwen know about it, and how to produce it?
I don't think so. After the scene at the bridge he understood that he shouldn't use his powers for the vendetta, but to help people instead.
Because he was shot in the leg, and bleeding badly. Haven't you noticed that he had a hard time moving around the city after the fight with cops?
it was a fine movie. didnt hate it, didnt love it.
This is part of the reason I didn't like the film. The last time I saw SM1 and SM2 was like 6 years ago, and I still remembered that like 80% of this film was just a rehash. From the villain, to the origin, to the romance, etc... I guess it's spiderman but I kind of expected them to deviate a little more from the Raimi film.
Plus it pisses me off that they never answered a single question about Parker's parents. The entire advertising campaign featured the lizard stating: "You want the truth about your parents Parker? Come and get it." The entire premise for this series were the parents, making it slightly different than the last 3 spidey films. Instead, we get a small mention in the beginning, then it's discarded in favor of remaking 95% of spiderman 1; then we get a teaser at the end that leaves us squarely at the beginning of the film.
Good Job Bob
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So, when are you going to see this? Very interested in what you think about it.
Hail to the king, baby!
*bows to Raimi*
All this continuous talk about Spiderman 3 and how it could have been a better film if Raimi could have had his way is mostly nonsense. It 'could' have ended up a better film but the whole 'Sandman was responsible for Uncle Ben's death' would still have been implemented, forced Venom or not! There was a ton wrong with that film that his own prequel alone could have set up to have flowed even better.
Take the 'Venom Saga' cartoon for example. Raimi had already established Jameson's son as an astronaut in the 2nd movie. Why was this not followed up on? And the alien costume crash landing beside Spiderman in the 3rd movie is beyond a joke! You have the entire planet to land on yet you land next to Spiderman of all people by chance? Then the symbiote just hung around for a few days sleeping before it decided to do anything? Raimi took his entire series and made it convenient that Parker was always around the threat and linked into it either by chance or through emotional reasons. It was too much to accept sometimes and although handled adequately in some situations, was also badly implemented in other decisions.
The entire plot could have started off in the following fashion. Upon Jonah's son being involved in a space mission investigating an unknown meteorite in orbit, the shuttle finds a precious mineral that could be invaluable and worth a lot of money. Upon news reports feeding this back to earth, Flint Marko (after his transformation into Sandman and the plot point about his daughter already being established) has become aware of this and attempts to rob the shuttle that has crashed landed into the George Washington Bridge, unaware of the black alien slime that has attached itself to the shuttle from the meteorite. Spiderman would of course intervene with Sandman escaping with the contents of the shuttle due to Spiderman battling him and of course saving the crew of the shuttle in the process. The alien costume then clings itself on to him and then, bingo! You have it all from there. Characters reintroduced, Spiderman's involvement making sense in regards to his pursuit of Sandman and his dilemma with the symbiote and then you can simply handle the plot from this point.
Spiderman 3 was a horrendous movie and I am not surprised they revamped the series from then on for one second. 'The Amazing Spiderman' had many flaws but the casting and overall sense of direction they are heading in with this series should be far superior than what has come before. Looking forward to the sequel.
Take the 'Venom Saga' cartoon for example. Raimi had already established Jameson's son as an astronaut in the 2nd movie. Why was this not followed up on? And the alien costume crash landing beside Spiderman in the 3rd movie is beyond a joke! You have the entire planet to land on yet you land next to Spiderman of all people by chance? Then the symbiote just hung around for a few days sleeping before it decided to do anything? Raimi took his entire series and made it convenient that Parker was always around the threat and linked into it either by chance or through emotional reasons. It was too much to accept sometimes and although handled adequately in some situations, was also badly implemented in other decisions.
The entire plot could have started off in the following fashion. Upon Jonah's son being involved in a space mission investigating an unknown meteorite in orbit, the shuttle finds a precious mineral that could be invaluable and worth a lot of money. Upon news reports feeding this back to earth, Flint Marko (after his transformation into Sandman and the plot point about his daughter already being established) has become aware of this and attempts to rob the shuttle that has crashed landed into the George Washington Bridge, unaware of the black alien slime that has attached itself to the shuttle from the meteorite. Spiderman would of course intervene with Sandman escaping with the contents of the shuttle due to Spiderman battling him and of course saving the crew of the shuttle in the process. The alien costume then clings itself on to him and then, bingo! You have it all from there. Characters reintroduced, Spiderman's involvement making sense in regards to his pursuit of Sandman and his dilemma with the symbiote and then you can simply handle the plot from this point.
Spiderman 3 was a horrendous movie and I am not surprised they revamped the series from then on for one second. 'The Amazing Spiderman' had many flaws but the casting and overall sense of direction they are heading in with this series should be far superior than what has come before. Looking forward to the sequel.
Tomorrow night.
Bingo. People are quick to use Venom as the scapegoat for the movie's problems, but that's ignoring that a lot of the more maligned story ideas in the film--Sandman being Ben's killer, Harry's amnesia, love triangles all around, Sandman getting away--were all Raimi's ideas. Venom may have been shoehorned into the film, but he was really just taking the place of Vulture (so the 3 villains issue would have still been an issue regardless).
Just Spidey 2 and ASM.
Yes, those 2 great movies and 1 bad one really burned them!
Let's wait and see how ASM2 fares.
zomgbbqftw
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Hail to the king, baby!
*bows to Raimi*
That's a bollocks comparison, only SM2 is (partly) comparable as it opened on a Wednesday, TASM's weekend performance was never going to be that strong since demand has already dissipated because of July 4th and opening on a Tuesday. It doesn't make a difference really since a Friday opening would have achieved the same level of BO taking of the 6-day, just over three days plus midnights/early screenings on Thursday.
The only film comparable to TASM is Transformers as it also opened on Tuesday with July 4th on Wednesday and it holds up well enough in that comparison, $146m vs $140m and with TASM having so many things against it, not least brand damage done by the SM3, $140m 6-day is not a bad result. I don't think anyone is going to say that it is great, but I would say it is on target for profitability and it establishes its credentials for a new series.
If TASM had opened on a Friday the weekend gross would have been above $100m, making the comparison with SM and SM3 more fair. SM3 was a piece of shit but it was hyped the heavens and had a huge opening weekend and failed to impress after that. TASM has a CinemaScore of A- which should give it reasonable legs (TDKR notwithstanding).
ViewtifulJC
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The main thing I remember from seeing that was that Pater/MJ scene at the end, fade to credits
guy behind me: Well, THAT sucked...
I wanted to see it opening day, but was too busy that day and ended up watching it the next day. I was so hyped for the movie... and so let down by it. How the hell can you fail so much with Venom as a villain?
zomgbbqftw
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Yeah, I say that's not a bad result given how much damage SM3 did to the brand. You just can't accept that Raimi fucked up. He fucked up. Big time and almost destroyed the brand equity for a huge franchise like Spider-Man. That TASM has done $140m 6-day after that steaming hot turd is a decent result.
Yup, I went to see it at midnight, was so disappointed. Not only because it was shit, but it dawned on me back then that the studio would put the franchise on moratorium and we wouldn't get another Spidey for a long time. That it was only five years was good.
Exactly, so its numbers are even further inflated.
Anyway, its performing pretty good. Just not the phenom that S-M1 was. Which is understandable, as we only get one of those every few years.
I did
Spidey 3 is still the only Spider-Man movie that I havent seen more than once (ASM being the exception but that will change).
I used to rewatch Spider-Man 2 so much. Anytime I felt like a movie but didnt know what to watch, Id go to Spidey 2. Its still my favorite superhero movie probably only rivaled by The Avengers but for entirely different reasons.
Good Job Bob
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LOL
Skiesofwonder
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Yeah becuase Batman Forever and Batman & Robin totally destroyed the Batman brand. You guys act as if one bad film completely neglects two great films.
triplestation
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I know a thing or two about lizards. And let me tell you, mister, lizards in NYC makes as much sense as penguins in the desert.
They tried a similar plot in the Spiderman: Turn off the Dark Musical except
Norman, now the Green Goblin and very insane, creates them out of his former technicians. It was...not really good.
What'd I do dad?
Almost every post you make in this thread in response to someone not liking ASM or preferring Raimi's films is met with some variation of "haters gonna hate" (for the former) or trying to tell people that they only like Raimi's films for nostalgic reasons (for the latter).
zomgbbqftw
Banned
It did, Batman Begins (Wed open), 6-day: $80m
It's only because BB was very good that it brought Batman back from the dead and even then BB only did $370m WW. The scale of damage done by Schumacher to the Batman franchise was huge and it took Nolan and Heath Ledger to bring it back from the dead.
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