The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad

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Koozek said:
Lack of exposition and proper set-up, disjointed editing etc.
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Haven't played FFXV, but if anything, Suicide squad has too much exposition. It's an exercise in tell not show. The characters explain everything all the fucking time and we are told like five times who each character is and why they are supposed to be badasses.
 
Messofanego said:
If Suicide Squad was edited by Trailer Park, why is only John Gilroy credited as the editor?

He's even been nominated for his editing in Nightcrawler and Michael Clayton, both great films.
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I bothered to check his imdb page, and per movie.
He's only the solo credit on movies that his brothers (Dan, Tony) directed and / or wrote, whereas every other recent (big) movie he's been an editor on also has a co-editor billed.
Not that a singular person could edit big action movies on a tight deadline (Pacific Rim, Rogue One), so the only reason he's solo credited on Suicide Squad is probably because WB doesn't want to admit they hired a trailer house. And similar to how you don't credit a script doctor, they probably don't have to (nor want to) credit the other editor(s).
 
Addi said:
Haven't played FFXV, but if anything, Suicide squad has too much exposition. It's an exercise in tell not show. The characters explain everything all the fucking time and we are told like five times who each character is and why they are supposed to be badasses.
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Seriously. The infamously bad Katana scene, how much more tolerable would have been if, I don't know, maybe they just introduced her casually and then at the earliest opportunity had a fight scene where she carves someone's soul out with her sword?

I mean, do you really need to to spell that out for me with blunt exposition? You can't just, you know, have her do the thing and then maybe clarify a bit as-needed as to what happened, but mostly just let me see it happen?
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
I bothered to check his imdb page, and per movie.
He's only the solo credit on movies that his brothers (Dan, Tony) directed and / or wrote, whereas every other recent (big) movie he's been an editor on also has a co-editor billed.
Not that a singular person could edit big action movies on a tight deadline (Pacific Rim, Rogue One), so the only reason he's solo credited on Suicide Squad is probably because WB doesn't want to admit they hired a trailer house. And similar to how you don't credit a script doctor, they probably don't have to (nor want to) credit the other editor(s).
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Directors (and producers) have a hand in the editing room as well. A good example (which Dan points out in his video on the film) is how The Last Airbender had an editor who's worked in the business for years yet still ended up with extremely amateurish edits which are almost definitely due to Shyamalan's piss-poor directing.
 
Katana is one of those things that should have been completely cut out in editing, but they couldn't because she happens to exist on-screen in one or two crucial shots in one or two crucial scenes, so even more had to be kept in to explain who the hell she is.

It also didn't help that she was in all the early promo shots.
 
this is super interesting. at first i was like, eh, these are a little sloppy, but whatever. when he starts talking about the start of the movie, the black text on a dark bg, the truck driving right in front of the words, that stuff is just literally hard to watch. the eye needs time to resolve things, and the poor editing is dragging the eye's focus all over the screen and while stuff covers up the information we are supposed to be getting and not giving us enough time to simple see what anything is.
 
CaviarMeths said:
The script is actually aware of this problem, and I think this is why the end of 2nd act twist feels so random and jarring. The twist where the team was actually going to get Waller, not Enchantress, was just thrown into the script at the last minute because David Ayer, probably in those "oh shit I left the stove on" moments just before falling asleep, realized the team actually had no business fighting metahuman threats so he quickly wrote a reason for them to go to the city anyway.

Which still leaves several problems.
1) The speech that Waller gives at the beginning of the film about putting together a team to fight Evil Superman is 100% bullshit. More like "I'm putting this team together for no reason in particular, actually. Hopefully they have a reason to exist some time later in this movie."
2) Why is she even in Midway City in the first place, other than to give the team a reason to exist?
3) Would not a regular spec ops team be more effective at extracting a person from a war zone?
4) The video mentions this, but her sneakiness has no payoff either. She's clearly hiding something from Flagg and her bosses, but we never learn what and it appears to be of no consequence anyway. It's a useless set up. Unless the thing she's hiding is "I'm going to Midway City now for no damn reason. Later, you should probably send in a group of psychos to come get me because I'm fucking dumb." Which leads to...
5) Maybe most importantly, THERE IS NO ACTUAL PLAN TO STOP ENCHANTRESS. The team does go to Enchantress, but only because that's where Waller is and they still want to finish the mission of extracting Waller.

Other movies that have world-ending scenarios build their plot around coming up with a plan to stop it. In Suicide Squad, the plot builds up to getting Waller out of Midway City. The world-ending scenario is just something happening parallel to the actual plot and there's no plan to stop it. It would be like Armageddon if the plan was to send the oil riggers into space to rescue the cosmonaut from the space station, but while they're up there, they may as well see if they can do something about the asteroid too. You know, since they're already there and they had nothing else to do that day anyway.
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The movie is a mess, I don't want to come across as actually defending it, but I still feel a lot of people (not just you) are being unfair with this metahuman angle. The team has somebody who is practically designed to take down an Evil Superman, that's Enchantress. If this team worked out they were up to that task, the problem is their anti-Superman weapon went rogue and it doesn't seem like they had a backup. You could write that off as them just not having found one yet, the team wasn't ready. That's honestly not too unreasonable. And the reason they have a bunch of 'bank robbers' is because the team is intended to deal with all sorts of different problems, it's just the metahuman angle was the easiest way for Waller to sell it.

It's still a mess, but I think in the context of Waller trying to cover up her mistake with the Enchantress a lot of the rest of the film makes a bit more sense, even if a viewer has to connect too many off-screen dots. It's fairly likely Enchantress only attacked Midway City because Waller was already there. Both 'women' are essentially covering their own asses.

Good arguments otherwise, and the video is fantastic (though I disagree with the unicorn issue).
 
deadscreensky said:
The movie is a mess, I don't want to come across as actually defending it, but I still feel a lot of people (not just you) are being unfair with this metahuman angle. The team has somebody who is practically designed to take down an Evil Superman, that's Enchantress. If this team worked out they were up to that task, the problem is their anti-Superman weapon went rogue and it doesn't seem like they had a backup. You could write that off as them just not having found one yet, the team wasn't ready. That's honestly not too unreasonable. And the reason they have a bunch of 'bank robbers' is because the team is intended to deal with all sorts of different problems, it's just the metahuman angle was the easiest way for Waller to sell it.
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I don't think this really helps any. Things like Enchantress going rogue is exactly the sort of thing you would have a contingency plan in place for before you greenlight your highly volatile psycho squad. Which is really why this team has no good reason to exist at all. It's not much of a plan when your contingency plan requires a contingency plan to operate effectively.

I think the only way for a script to utilize such a team, a government-sanctioned group of expendable goons, would be to have them actually live up to their name. This team has no reason to exist in scenarios where they're not actually in mortal danger. This should be a last resort, none of these guys are making it home in one piece, sort of team. If lives aren't at risk or are too important to risk, then there's no use for an expendable team of bad guys. I get that they want to have sequels with bankable actors like Will Smith and Margot Robbie, but the premise of the movie doesn't work with characters that have plot armor.

If a paint-by-numbers remake of Magnificent Seven has the balls to kill off most of its cast including
Chris Pratt
, then Suicide Squad can kill off characters more important than Ropeguy and the at-peace-with-himself reformed con that was flagged for death in his introductory scene. Or Rogue One, which didn't really have any bankable stars, but still managed to kill off
its entire cast
and is still the biggest movie of the year.

I mean, I'm an MCU stan, so "steaks" are the last thing I'd criticize a cape movie for, but if there's one team that really needs it, it's SS.
 
CaviarMeths said:
OT, length wasn't an issue in the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman. The story it was trying to tell could have been effectively told in 2 hours. The problem was that there were too many other stories it was also trying to tell and none of them went anywhere. There's like 30 minutes in that theatrical cut that didn't need to be there and were just detracting from the overall product.

Some day there's going to be a fan edit of that movie with a run time of around 110-130 minutes that cuts out all the crap and just gives you what's on the tin: Batman v Superman. Half of Lex's shenannigans would be dropped, there would be no mention of a Krytonian ship, and the movie would end with Batman saving MARTHA and Superman bringing Lex into custody. And all Knightmare shit and the set-up for Justice League would be scrapped as well. Gal Gadot would just be a cameo as "Diane" at Lex's event without her sneaky subplot to delete one copy of a digital file.
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Agreed. After watching the Ultimate Cut I'm baffled that the new 20-30 minutes is what they apparently decided to cut for length. So much connective tissue and context in there and there's at least 20-30 minutes of bloat they could have lost from the theatrical version to squeeze that cut stuff back in.

CaviarMeths said:
I don't think this really helps any. Things like Enchantress going rogue is exactly the sort of thing you would have a contingency plan in place for before you greenlight your highly volatile psycho squad. Which is really why this team has no good reason to exist at all. It's not much of a plan when your contingency plan requires a contingency plan to operate effectively.

I think the only way for a script to utilize such a team, a government-sanctioned group of expendable goons, would be to have them actually live up to their name. This team has no reason to exist in scenarios where they're not actually in mortal danger. This should be a last resort, none of these guys are making it home in one piece, sort of team. If lives aren't at risk or are too important to risk, then there's no use for an expendable team of bad guys. I get that they want to have sequels with bankable actors like Will Smith and Margot Robbie, but the premise of the movie doesn't work with characters that have plot armor.

If a paint-by-numbers remake of Magnificent Seven has the balls to kill off most of its cast including
Chris Pratt
, then Suicide Squad can kill off characters more important than Ropeguy and the at-peace-with-himself reformed con that was flagged for death in his introductory scene. Or Rogue One, which didn't really have any bankable stars, but still managed to kill off
its entire cast
and is still the biggest movie of the year.

I mean, I'm an MCU stan, so "steaks" are the last thing I'd criticize a cape movie for, but if there's one team that really needs it, it's SS.
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Agreed again. Enchantress either shouldn't be on a team with this disparate amount of power levels (minus Diablo), or she should be the sole weapon. And it just makes more sense and is WAY more interesting if the group are all both expendable and LIKELY to die on a mission that they can also conceivably complete. The movie is just flawed to the core.

Messofanego said:
If Suicide Squad was edited by Trailer Park, why is only John Gilroy credited as the editor?

He's even been nominated for his editing in Nightcrawler and Michael Clayton, both great films.
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In the video, the guy mentions there were actually 3 cuts. Ayer's original cut, Trailer Park's cut, then a third cut combining elements of both after neither knocked it out of the park in testing. I'm guessing Gilroy was the main editor of that last cut. Don't know where he got that info though.
 
What is most hilarious about Suicide Squad is that it's supposed to be the squad built to defend humanity against someone like Superman going rogue.

And they collected like, the guy who can shoot accurately (lol), a crazy lady with a baseball bat (lolll), a guy with a skin disease (lollll), a guy whose main gimmick is a boomerang (omg lollllllllllllllll), the guy who can climb anything (lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll), etc etc,

I mean, what good would those people actually do against rogue Superman? Superman could beat all of them while shitting on a toilet eating tacos with one hand tied on his back..
 
Laughing Banana said:
What is most hilarious about Suicide Squad is that it's supposed to be the squad built to defend humanity against someone like Superman going rogue.

And they collected like, the guy who can shoot accurately (lol), a crazy lady with a baseball bat (lolll), a guy with a skin disease (lollll), a guy whose main gimmick is a boomerang (omg lollllllllllllllll), the guy who can climb anything (lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll), etc etc,

I mean, what good would those people actually do against rogue Superman? Superman could beat all of them while shitting on a toilet eating tacos with one hand tied on his back..
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To be fair Diablo and Enchantress and maybe Deadshoot can be useful if Superman or someone on that level like idk Wonder Woman and Aquaman went rogue. The rest of the team are bloody useless like why is Harley and Boomerang there, they are criminals with a gimmick not super assassins like Deadshot or Super Ninja/Martial artists like Katana. Black widow and Hawkeye are t least supposed to be super spies.
 
Laughing Banana said:
What is most hilarious about Suicide Squad is that it's supposed to be the squad built to defend humanity against someone like Superman going rogue.

And they collected like, the guy who can shoot accurately (lol), a crazy lady with a baseball bat (lolll), a guy with a skin disease (lollll), a guy whose main gimmick is a boomerang (omg lollllllllllllllll), the guy who can climb anything (lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll), etc etc,

I mean, what good would those people actually do against rogue Superman? Superman could beat all of them while shitting on a toilet eating tacos with one hand tied on his back..
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More than that, they get....well, fucking psychopaths to do this.

I mean, Harley Quinn is the most obvious. She is femJoker. She's exactly the kind of person who would fuck over the mission just for the lulz. But even more rationally oriented of the crew could easily fuck things up in the event that they see an opportunity of some kind, miscalculated or not. They have absolutely no loyalty to the organization employing them, and you can only make slaves of people so long before they just start going into "Fuck it" mode.

I don't usually criticize concepts so much as execution, but still, Waller should be laughed out of the room the moment she lays any of this dumb shit out.
 
caliph95 said:
To be fair Diablo and Enchantress and maybe Deadshoot can be useful if Superman or someone on that level like idk Wonder Woman and Aquaman went rogue. The rest of the team are bloody useless like why is Harley and Boomerang there, they are criminals with a gimmick not super assassins like Deadshot or Super Ninja/Martial artists like Katana. Black widow and Hawkeye are t least supposed to be super spies.
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Enchantress maaaybe, but Diablo against Superman? A fire guy vs. a superpowered Alien powered by the Sun? Deadshot? In an Injustice video game maybe, but bullets bounce off Superman's eyes! What good a guy that can shoot accurately do against someone like a rogue Superman?

Veelk said:
More than that, they get....well, fucking psychopaths to do this.

I mean, Harley Quinn is the most obvious. She is femJoker. She's exactly the kind of person who would fuck over the mission just for the lulz. But even more rationally oriented of the crew could easily fuck things up in the event that they see an opportunity of some kind, miscalculated or not. They have absolutely no loyalty to the organization employing them, and you can only make slaves of people so long before they just start going into "Fuck it" mode.

I don't usually criticize concepts so much as execution, but still, Waller should be laughed out of the room the moment she lays any of this dumb shit out.
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Yeap, the very concept of the movie itself is pretty laughable. Hell I bet even Batman could take them all out no problem if he felt so inclined.
 
Laughing Banana said:
Enchantress maaaybe, but Diablo against Superman? A fire guy vs. a superpowered Alien powered by the Sun? Deadshot? In an Injustice video game maybe, but bullets bounce off Superman's eyes! What good a guy that can shoot accurately do against someone like a rogue Superman?



Yeap, the very concept of the movie itself is pretty laughable. Hell I bet even Batman could take them all out no problem if he felt so inclined.
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Diablo because of his god form in the end that they never explain was able to fight off Enchantress's brother though i doubt Waller knew that so you are right on that one. I was thinking Deadshot because they could give him a weapon to use and was stretching it. I can't justify the rest.
 
Call me stupidly shallow...

But I miss the Puppet.

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RIP Foldy, a casualty of Gamergate.

EDIT: *Insert "Suicide squad Sucked" here*
 
Laughing Banana said:
Yeap, the very concept of the movie itself is pretty laughable. Hell I bet even Batman could take them all out no problem if he felt so inclined.
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That's true, but not exactly what I'm saying.

Lets say the Squad is sent in to stop a mutant monster that will kill everyone if it grows. They succeed in getting to it, all their enemies defeated, all they need to do is kill the monster, which is caged.

"Hey.....hey, listen. Wouldn't it be funny if we just let it go?"

You don't send psychopaths on important missions because you think they aren't skilled enough, you don't send them because their crazy and will shit all over the plan for giggles.
 
Rubenov said:
This movie sounds so bad that I need to see it now to understand wtf are you all talking about.
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I think to set up your expectations, don't expect the blockbuster equivalent of a crime against humanity.

Squad is laden with issues, so many that you become really polarized. Some issues are really amateur hour, like the music choices, others are more complex to solve i.e. the plot structure, how to do GOTG but with 10-12 characters, etc.

It's really just a prime example of a studio rushing something out of the door, a project that they never had a firm idea to begin with, entrusted to someone who tried to find that firm idea, only to say "fuck your firm idea" and go with the "Guardians of the Galaxy" version of that idea.
 
Laughing Banana said:
What is most hilarious about Suicide Squad is that it's supposed to be the squad built to defend humanity against someone like Superman going rogue.

And they collected like, the guy who can shoot accurately (lol), a crazy lady with a baseball bat (lolll), a guy with a skin disease (lollll), a guy whose main gimmick is a boomerang (omg lollllllllllllllll), the guy who can climb anything (lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll), etc etc,

I mean, what good would those people actually do against rogue Superman? Superman could beat all of them while shitting on a toilet eating tacos with one hand tied on his back..
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Harley Quinn could beat Superman with a kryptonite baseball bat.
 
caliph95 said:
Diablo because of his god form in the end that they never explain was able to fight off Enchantress's brother though i doubt Waller knew that so you are right on that one. I was thinking Deadshot because they could give him a weapon to use and was stretching it. I can't justify the rest.
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Superman doesn't have much problem with fire and seems a lot stronger than either Diablo or the brother. Enchantress maybe, but if a bomb and sword are a threat to her and her brother then a punch from Superman is probably enough.
 
Finaika said:
Harley Quinn could beat Superman with a kryptonite baseball bat.
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Jimmy Olsen can beat Superman with a kryptonite pen. Anyone can beat Superman with a kryptonite thing. But you what the thing is? They're not equiped with kryptonite anything. Hell, at this point in the DCU I'm not even sure Waller is aware of Supes' weakness to kryptonite.
 
CaviarMeths said:
The script is actually aware of this problem, and I think this is why the end of 2nd act twist feels so random and jarring. The twist where the team was actually going to get Waller, not Enchantress, was just thrown into the script at the last minute because David Ayer, probably in those "oh shit I left the stove on" moments just before falling asleep, realized the team actually had no business fighting metahuman threats so he quickly wrote a reason for them to go to the city anyway.

Which still leaves several problems.
1) The speech that Waller gives at the beginning of the film about putting together a team to fight Evil Superman is 100% bullshit. More like "I'm putting this team together for no reason in particular, actually. Hopefully they have a reason to exist some time later in this movie."
2) Why is she even in Midway City in the first place, other than to give the team a reason to exist?
3) Would not a regular spec ops team be more effective at extracting a person from a war zone?
4) The video mentions this, but her sneakiness has no payoff either. She's clearly hiding something from Flagg and her bosses, but we never learn what and it appears to be of no consequence anyway. It's a useless set up. Unless the thing she's hiding is "I'm going to Midway City now for no damn reason. Later, you should probably send in a group of psychos to come get me because I'm fucking dumb." Which leads to...
5) Maybe most importantly, THERE IS NO ACTUAL PLAN TO STOP ENCHANTRESS. The team does go to Enchantress, but only because that's where Waller is and they still want to finish the mission of extracting Waller.

Other movies that have world-ending scenarios build their plot around coming up with a plan to stop it. In Suicide Squad, the plot builds up to getting Waller out of Midway City. The world-ending scenario is just something happening parallel to the actual plot and there's no plan to stop it. It would be like Armageddon if the plan was to send the oil riggers into space to rescue the cosmonaut from the space station, but while they're up there, they may as well see if they can do something about the asteroid too. You know, since they're already there and they had nothing else to do that day anyway.
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It's been a while since I have seen Suicide Squad but if I recall

1) she said metahumans are sprouting up elsewhere and that they need to have an army of people like that to keep ahead of the curve.

2) I can't recall but didn't Enchantress go crazy and the film is basically Walker trying to clean up her mess.

3) they talked about it in the movie. She basically said something about there's historical precedent established where the govt worked with the Mafia in WW2 to fight the war when Flagg called BS on the Squad

4) she's covering up for Enchantress going crazy and it being her fault . It's why she killed the random agents and it's why she asked for Bruce Wayne's help at the end

5) she planned to control Enchantress by destroying her heart should she disobey her.

I haven't seen the movie since release so I may have got a lot wrong.
 
First film that comes to mind is the first 2/3rds of Rogue One though I haven't seen SS.

Though is it really 'bad editing' if it at least makes something half decent out of a bunch of disconnected footage? It might be really really good editing that made up for everything else? :p
 
Einchy said:
What's the story behind that?
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He used to do videos under the guise of a puppet persona, "The foldable human".

One of the final videos he did under this guise was an analysis of gamergate.

Coincidentally I'm fairly certain the dropped the puppet persona more alongside his switch from the now extinct blip.tv to youtube than due to his GG video.



On topic, he made a reaction video regarding some common comments made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALMpIemuIo

Even a little wink towards Bleepey at the end of his video.
lol
 
Cool video, and yeah editing was one of the big problems on that movie, but just one of the many it had.

Talking about editing, get some better editing to some of the Netflix originals please. A Year on the life Gilrmore Girls and Now Sense 8 suffer from poorly editting when they seem great otherwise.
 
Good video. The film's editing is such a clusterfuck, from the use of songs to character interactions, it's one of the worst aspects of an already disappointing film.
 
Keihart said:
Cool video, and yeah editing was one of the big problems on that movie, but just one of the many it had.

Talking about editing, get some better editing to some of the Netflix originals please. A Year on the life Gilrmore Girls and Now Sense 8 suffer from poorly editting when they seem great otherwise.
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Sense 8 is perfect what the hell are you talking about?
 
DarthOrange said:
Sense 8 is perfect what the hell are you talking about?
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5 minute long or what feels like an hour long escenes that do nothing new after the first time you understand how clusters feel. Like the escene abut being born, sex escenes, and many more. I mean, the first time is cute, the second made me think that maybe there was a hidden point to it, the third time was just ridiculous. And it keeps happening at other points but without looking at the show for references those are the moments i remember stuck out as in need of better editting.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Over 30 fucking minutes and he doesn't even touch the Joker stuff. Holy fucking hell this movie is awful.
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Videos like these prove that filmmaking (and other artful crafts) CAN be objectively bad because there are rules with psychological reasoning behind them.

I get that taste is subjective and I get that people can look paste stuff like that, but I fail to see anything redeeming about this movie or movies like it that would justify a positive take.

I'll say this - the term "Guilty Pleasure" was invented to justify one's enjoyment or appreciation of something you recognize isn't objectively good. I wish more people would at least admit that it's a guilty pleasure instead of trying to defend trash like this.
 
HotHamBoy said:
Videos like these prove that filmmaking (and other artful crafts) CAN be objectively bad because there are rules with psychological reasoning behind them.

I get that taste is subjective and I get that people can look paste stuff like that, but I fail to see anything redeeming about this movie or movies like it that would justify a positive take.

I'll say this - the term "Guilty Pleasure" was invented to justify one's enjoyment or appreciation of something you recognize isn't objectively good. I wish more people would at least admit that it's a guilty pleasure instead of trying to defend trash like this.
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The rules to filmmaking, like to anything, can be broken if you're purposeful and know what you're doing.

Suicide Squad is neither
 
WhiteRabbitEXE said:
To be fair, she could have actually had a legal name change. :P
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Do all supervillains do that? Like they're in line at the Gotham City Courts to fill out those papers?

"My name is Victor Fries, this is my associate Pamela Isley. We'd like to legally change our names to Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy respectively, please."

"Is this a joke?"

"Not at all."

"Well... Okay then, Victor. What would you like to change your first name to?"

"Mr."

"..."
 
I've only seen the extended verison but I thought Batman V Superman had worse editing. I remember right after the capital explodes they jump from Supes and Lois at the hotel to Bruce wayne for a hot min then to Lex in the space ship for less than 2 min back to Supes and Lois at the hotel. That was so jarring, it stuck out so much it became distracting. All I could think about was who would think that was a good idea. How does that make it to theaters in that form.

Any way SS suffers from so many issues it doesn't matter at this point. This universe is dead. This movie could have saved it but I can't look forward to anything DC.

I get not wanting to just make a live action Assault on Arkham but you could have at least had this movie take place in Arkham giving Harley a purpose on the team since she knew that place inside and out.
 
I was just thinking about how the team was made to defeat rogue Superman but a good amount of the team are established in their introductory scenes as being easily defeated by Batman and the Flash. And just the police.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Do all supervillains do that? Like they're in line at the Gotham City Courts to fill out those papers?

"My name is Victor Fries, this is my associate Pamela Isley. We'd like to legally change our names to Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy respectively, please."

"Is this a joke?"

"Not at all."

"Well... Okay then, Victor. What would you like to change your first name to?"

"Mr."

"..."
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Not all of them. Dent, Cobblepot and Kyle defied that law. It's main reason Batman is after them.
 
Caddywompus said:
I've only seen the extended verison but I thought Batman V Superman had worse editing. I remember right after the capital explodes they jump from Supes and Lois at the hotel to Bruce wayne for a hot min then to Lex in the space ship for less than 2 min back to Supes and Lois at the hotel. That was so jarring, it stuck out so much it became distracting. All I could think about was who would think that was a good idea. How does that make it to theaters in that form.

Any way SS suffers from so many issues it doesn't matter at this point. This universe is dead. This movie could have saved it but I can't look forward to anything DC.

I get not wanting to just make a live action Assault on Arkham but you could have at least had this movie take place in Arkham giving Harley a purpose on the team since she knew that place inside and out.
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Editing seems like a lot less of a problem to me in BvS than what Zack Snyder decided to shoot which was a bunch of bombastic shots with slow motion nonsense when it really should have had some exposition but that assumes too much of the writers so instead we get over the top music that is desperately trying to convince you that something impactful just happened. I thought the final action scene was well shot and edited but Snyder applies the same principles to everything so you get a bunch of vaguely symbolic slow motion shots like the attempt to convey emotion in the movie needs action choreography. Editing would be the problem if they had shot something worth putting on screen.
 
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