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They released some info on it but no pictures. With Mitsu killing off the Evo I'm concerned the STI might be next.Rengoku said:
[edit] I have no idea if those pics are supposed to represent what the car looks like IRL.
Pein said:
Well, I guess my Evo's going to go up in value now at least being one way to look at it. Unfortunately a true legend is dying here. Well, at least there's other manufacturers still out there that cares about enthusiasts, and they'll be getting my money as Mitsu has just became a shittier build quality version of Toyota when they killed off their fun cars.
Subaru isn't floundering in all areas in the US like Mitsubishi is. Last time I checked, they were quite healthy.dubc35 said:
The reason Mitsu canned the EVO is because they are moving to focus on EV cars, and in their mind, the EVO has no place in that type of lineup.
Subaru of America also just saw a 20% increase in sales from last year and proclaimed it as "the best start to a year they've ever had". I wouldn't worry about the STi.
doitlive said:
LOL... I mean, I don't know how else to reply to that one. The Mark IV Supra was, and still is to this day an incredible machine. Not only did it have one of the most grossly overbuilt motors of all time, it also handled incredibly well, and was styled well, with the interior really being a "cockpit" for any enthusiast.
reilo said:
Subaru sells to up-market customers, mainly people who are in the middle class and up, if you look at snow winter states if it aint trucks its all subuaru's.
Mitsubishi on the other hand tries to market in the same category as Toyota and Honda and over the last decade has fallen behind with only recent times to have slightly caught up.
Fallout-NL
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Jamesfrom818 said:You guys are still talking about the FT-86? This is the star of Geneva for me
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/geneva-2011-audi-a3-sedan-concept-opens-the-show-in-style/
It looks good, but what the fuck is Audi doing with these cars? What's the difference between an A4 and this? Or the 4 door A5? Last couple of years, any time I see an Audi driving down the road I have to do a double take to see what type it is. I fail to see the point of their strategy. Furthermore all the models look almost exactly alike (this A3 here being an exception, it looks beautiful).
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Fallout-NL said:
What do you mean what is "Audi" doing? BMW practically started the whole fad back in the 80s of having all of their cars look identical with only different lengths separating them. BMW still practices this today, actually. Benz is slowly getting away from this characteristic, but had also practiced it for 20+ years, up until most recently with their current lineup.
As far as the reasoning behind it; simple Business 101: you give the customer what they want at a price they can afford. Can't afford the Audi A8? We have the Audi A6 that looks much alike (if not better, imo) and offers a lot of the technology and features of the A8. Can't afford the A6? The A4 is still quite a roomy vehicle with a nice motor, AWD, it has the looks you liked of the A8 and A6 and is offered with quite a lot of nice features.
Perhaps you're upset at how much the A4 grew over the past one and you're looking for something more akin to the past-gen A4 you currently own? Or hey, once again, maybe you want an Audi sedan, but can't afford the A4 and you don't want an A3 hatchback? Thus, the A3 sedan.
It's a simple trickling of DNA. It's quite effective.
Jamesfrom818
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Fallout-NL said:
I think its supposed to be smaller than the A4.
A4: 3 series :: A3 : 1 series
ClassyPenguin
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Subaru is being very secretive of its version of the ft-86, all I know is fanboys will be enraged.dubc35 said:
I don't think the STI will go, since Subaru is not in the financial trouble that Mitsubishi is in.
the_log_ride
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Pein said:
No no no... not again! All the cars I love are getting cut!
twinturbo2
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It sounds like this is going to be the car to spearhead Alfa Romeo's long-awaited return to the States.
Meet the 4C. A hot little Elise competitor, done with Italian flair.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/
Meet the 4C. A hot little Elise competitor, done with Italian flair.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/
akachan ningen
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That's pretty awesome. I'm thinking it'll cost twice as much as an Elise though.
I've fallen in love with concept cars too. it usually doesn't work out.
edit: just saw the interior. that is FUUUUUUUGLY. Huge step down from what Audi has been doing recently.
Gouty said:
I've fallen in love with concept cars too. it usually doesn't work out.
edit: just saw the interior. that is FUUUUUUUGLY. Huge step down from what Audi has been doing recently.
akachan ningen
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They're getting out of the sports car business. Evo is done for. I doubt they will bring back the eclipse, except maybe with a weaker engine. 3000gt has no chance.Bad_Boy said:
twinturbo2 said:It sounds like this is going to be the car to spearhead Alfa Romeo's long-awaited return to the States.
Meet the 4C. A hot little Elise competitor, done with Italian flair.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/
Oh my.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Gouty said:
That is the S-version you're looking at. No standard A3 is ever going to have over 400HP, look that aggressive, and sit that low.
Spaceman Spiff
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I can't be the only one who sees an Evora in fancy duds when looking at that Alfa 4C.
Not bad at all, though.
Not bad at all, though.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Pterion said:
Good point. The S version will probably boast the standard 3.0L Supercharged @ 310HP. Should be a monster either way.
soujiro_seta
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Vid I made on Cars & Coffee SoCal, Irvine God I love this event!
BoobPhysics101
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soujiro_seta said:
Sweet video. I need to head over to that C&C in Irvine, I believe my car is finally somewhat 'worthy.'
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
BoobPhysics101 said:Sweet video. I need to head over to that C&C in Irvine, I believe my car is finally somewhat 'worthy.'
What do you have?
soujiro_seta said:
Heh and they thought they could kill this event back when it was called Crystal Cove, motherfuckers only made it bigger!
Mw182006 said:
I would take a serious look at the Hyundai Sonata/Kia Optima variants. You can get a fully loaded 200hp/2.0 engine trim for something around 26-27K and you get all the frigging bells and whistles (including heated seats). The turbo versions should be out too if 274 horsepower tickles your fancy.
Jamesfrom818
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http://blog.roadandtrack.com/audi-reports-record-results-at-annual-meeting/
Shut up and take my money!
Shut up and take my money!
JumpJeff84
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Wrote off my Tracker on the weekend. Lucky to be alive, really.
Anyways, now I'm looking for another vehicle. Something with a lower centre of gravity this time I think.
I think I want a Japanese hatchback of some sort. Has to be white, automatic transmission, good on gas, and has to have a cool look to it. Looking to spend 10-12K, so I imagine I'm gonna go used.
I was looking at Honda Fits, they seem okay. I'm really not a car guy, though. Any suggestions?
Anyways, now I'm looking for another vehicle. Something with a lower centre of gravity this time I think.
I think I want a Japanese hatchback of some sort. Has to be white, automatic transmission, good on gas, and has to have a cool look to it. Looking to spend 10-12K, so I imagine I'm gonna go used.
I was looking at Honda Fits, they seem okay. I'm really not a car guy, though. Any suggestions?
JumpJeff84
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DasRaven said:
Not sure what you mean by 'Not a base'...sorry, I'm not a car guy.
DasRaven said:
I have a Honda Fit base. It is in every way identical to the Sport with the following exceptions:
Spoilers
Arm Rest
Paddle Shifters/radio controls
I actually ordered a Sport, but they sold it out from under us. After doing the comparison of features and realizing I was an old man, I settled for the non sport (base) with no lasting harm. The cost difference isn't dramatic, but is it worth it? Dunno. Ironically if there had been no AUX input on the non Sport's stereo, I'd have waited.
Two thumbs up for any Fit.
Two thumbs up for Mazda 3. Especially 5 door.
Prius is nice but EXPENSIVE.
IMPORTANT HONDA FIT FACT:
You can fit a Grand Piano in that bitch. Magic Seats ftw.
Fit Sport over Base is all my subjective opinion. I found that armrest honestly very necessary in a cozy car like the Fit.
And since the Fit will be at the bottom of his price range, buy the top model for resale purposes. They look better too with the body kit.
If I remember correctly, Sports also have available factory navigation unlike the base.
Prius will top his budget, but have lowest total cost of ownership given the inevitable rise of gas prices.
And since the Fit will be at the bottom of his price range, buy the top model for resale purposes. They look better too with the body kit.
If I remember correctly, Sports also have available factory navigation unlike the base.
Prius will top his budget, but have lowest total cost of ownership given the inevitable rise of gas prices.
JumpJeff84
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Thanks guys.
Gonna go check out a 2010 Fit today. Guy's asking 12K for it (this is Canadian dollars) but it's likely I can talk him down.
Also, at lunch I'm gonna pop by the Toyota dealership down the street and see what's up.
Gonna go check out a 2010 Fit today. Guy's asking 12K for it (this is Canadian dollars) but it's likely I can talk him down.
Also, at lunch I'm gonna pop by the Toyota dealership down the street and see what's up.
JumpJeff84
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What about 2007 VW Rabbit hatchbacks? They any good?
How about Hyundai Accents?
How about Hyundai Accents?
JumpJeff84
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Thanks guys. Food for thought....
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Whoompthereitis said:
My mom has a 2009. It's a GREAT car. Handles like a mother, goes with some serious pep (170HP/170TRQ on that tiny car = solid). Plus the interior is top-notch, quality stuff.
JumpJeff84
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AlphaSnake said:
You talking about the Accent or the Rabbit?
Whoompthereitis said:
As a former 2x VW owner, I advise you to stay away. German+out of warranty = expensive for everything.
As a current Hyundai owner, I advise you to avoid the Accent even though 2007 was in the midst of the Hyundai/Kia reliability renaissance because you can do better.
In your price range, look more at the Elantra Touring than the Accent 3-door.
He's talking about the Rabbit (with the 2.5L inline5), no Accent ever made has 170hp or tq.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Whoompthereitis said:
VW. What Accent has 170HP? Hehehe.
JumpJeff84
Member
Fuck, there's this used 2010 Kia Soul at a local dealer that I REALLY want. More than I should spend though.
help me out here guys...
1. Kia Soul- yay or nay? I know the look of it is a 'love it or hate it' thing. But to me, I fall in the love camp. The one I'm looking at is my dream car. How are these in terms of reliability?
2. When buying pre-owned vehicles from a dealer, how much 'wiggle room' can I expect on price? I'm usually not much of a 'haggler', but for something like this I feel like I have to be more aggressive. I'm looking to show up and pay for the whole thing with a bank draft/cash, so no financing. Based on that, should I expect them to bend hard on the price? Not sure how these things work. Any tips for haggling would be great...
help me out here guys...
1. Kia Soul- yay or nay? I know the look of it is a 'love it or hate it' thing. But to me, I fall in the love camp. The one I'm looking at is my dream car. How are these in terms of reliability?
2. When buying pre-owned vehicles from a dealer, how much 'wiggle room' can I expect on price? I'm usually not much of a 'haggler', but for something like this I feel like I have to be more aggressive. I'm looking to show up and pay for the whole thing with a bank draft/cash, so no financing. Based on that, should I expect them to bend hard on the price? Not sure how these things work. Any tips for haggling would be great...
Whoompthereitis said:
Dealers actually prefer financing to cash, so haggling with cash is a zero sum game. They don't give a shit as long as it gets financed and would prefer you financed ti through them so they get a cut.
If you LOVE the Kia Soul, then get it. Illogical passion is at the heart of what makes a car great. Kias are pretty reliable and well made.
I would still tell you to get a Mazda 3, but you seem intent.
Whoompthereitis said:
1. Absolute Yay! If you like the Soul styling, it is a great vehicle and I have friends who own them happily. Reliability should be excellent as they are essentially last-gen Elantra parts in a new shell.
2. Tons. Even more if you're paying that day in cash. Remember you can always walk and their used cars LOSE value every day they sit on the lot. Go to edmunds of kbb and find out the avg used sale price for the vehicle you want (with the same features & condition) and talk them down to within 5% of that. Better still find another similar Soul at another dealer and make them fight for your sale. The term "buying today" means a lot to a dealer.
JumpJeff84
Member
OuterWorldVoice said:
That's the thing...I'm not a car guy, so I should follow what appeals to me. And this car speaks to me.
Thanks for the great advice guys. I'm gonna go and hit up the dealership after work and haggle for that Kia. I'll let y'all know.
Any more haggling tips are welcome. You guys are awesome.
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