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[BoobPhysics101]

Opinions are opinions. They're only dumb if they're entirely based on hearsay. If you liked driving it, then that's fine, but I personally hated it.

I'm also pretty sure it's not all that functionally different driving a Miata vs. driving any other car.

I laughed. If you think a Miata's 'fun' comes from driving it through traffic or on a daily commute (which is what you're referring to), then you don't know at all...

The fun of a Miata comes from taking it on a windy road or a sweeping freeway on/off-ramp and enjoying the handling prowess it has while pushing it to the limit. It's a great, extremely well balanced car.

 

[nitewulf]

i still dont get the solara hate. its clean, elegant, and nice looking.

 

[reilo]

i still dont get the solara hate. its clean, elegant, and nice looking.

hahahaha

 

[pje122]

I thought those were exclusive to females...

 

[TurtleSnatcher]

I laughed. If you think a Miata's 'fun' comes from driving it through traffic or on a daily commute (which is what you're referring to), then you don't know at all...

The fun of a Miata comes from taking it on a windy road or a sweeping freeway on/off-ramp and enjoying the handling prowess it has while pushing it to the limit. It's a great, extremely well balanced car.

I agree with you. Its the same that goes for MINIs or other really tight handling cars. They perform great on twisties



And LOL @ Solara.. One of the most hideous cars ever.

 

[ascii42]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-focus-electric.html

Apparently the Ford Focus Electric will start at $39,995. I see three problems Ford is going to have with that: The Nissan Leaf is significantly cheaper but still gets about the same range, The Chevy Volt is the same price, but has a gas engine to go farther, and the regular Focus gets pretty darn good gas mileage for half the price. I don't see very many people justifying the cost.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-focus-electric.html

Apparently the Ford Focus Electric will start at $39,995. I see three problems Ford is going to have with that: The Nissan Leaf is significantly cheaper but still gets about the same range, The Chevy Volt is the same price, but has a gas engine to go farther, and the regular Focus gets pretty darn good gas mileage for half the price. I don't see very many people justifying the cost.

It's amazing that Ford would make such a stupid mistake when they've been on a positive roll for years now. If they had priced it at $20-25k, it would've been a hit. Fail.

 

[AlphaSnake]

It's amazing that Ford would make such a stupid mistake when they've been on a positive roll for years now. If they had priced it at $20-25k, it would've been a hit. Fail.

There's an $8K tax break on the car, though.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

There's an $8K tax break on the car, though.

Yeah but it's $40k STARTING. That's at least $45k+ after taxes, options, etc if my estimation is somewhat accurate. So at least 37-38k after tax break.

Same fuck-up as the Volt, imo.

 

[reilo]

There's an $8K tax break on the car, though.

$40k is too much. I said the same thing of the Volt and it's showing. It's priced well-beyond mass-market consumption, and the people that would benefit the most from a limited-range pure EV like this cannot afford it.

 

[enzo_gt]

 

[reilo]

Has anyone bought and restored an older car?

I'm thinking of maybe doing that instead of buying a new car... maybe 60s/70s Mustang/Chevelle/Camaro or 80s BMW... Or 90s M3, but those are still a bit pricey.

 

[nitewulf]

 

[weekend_warrior]

$40k is too much. I said the same thing of the Volt and it's showing. It's priced well-beyond mass-market consumption, and the people that would benefit the most from a limited-range pure EV like this cannot afford it.

The Leaf, Volt and this new Focus are not designed to be mass market. This is like beta-testing for cars. Enough people can afford and want a "next-generation" car to warrant bringing them to market, despite the laughable high sticker price. It's the same thing happens that in electronics, like when personal computers cost $10,000, or 3D tv's cost $5000.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I think the LED's on the production FR-S will be gone.
I don't see them in any of the other leaked pics.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I laughed. If you think a Miata's 'fun' comes from driving it through traffic or on a daily commute (which is what you're referring to), then you don't know at all...

The fun of a Miata comes from taking it on a windy road or a sweeping freeway on/off-ramp and enjoying the handling prowess it has while pushing it to the limit. It's a great, extremely well balanced car.

Really, I don't recall telling where I drove the car. But thanks for telling me what my own life experiences are because obviously I wasn't aware of them.

Have you ever even driven one or are you white knighting a car you've never even touched?

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Maybe you need to start driving like a girl

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Really, I don't recall telling where I drove the car. But thanks for telling me what my own life experiences are because obviously I wasn't aware of them.

Have you ever even driven one or are you white knighting a car you've never even touched?

You said they weren't functionally different from any other car.

Sorry, but "Well the Miata really isn't any better to drive than a Corolla" is kind of a dumb thing to say.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Has anyone bought and restored an older car?

I'm thinking of maybe doing that instead of buying a new car... maybe 60s/70s Mustang/Chevelle/Camaro or 80s BMW... Or 90s M3, but those are still a bit pricey.

if you need it on a daily basis don't do it. It's only good as a secondary car and only if you have the space to store it to work on it since I assume you may have a job and can't spend too much time on it. Also I don't know your ability to work on cars but if you haven't considered the price of finding out of production spare parts you may want to look into that first.

Also if you are comfortable working on cars of course I would say do it, I love classics but from my own first hand experience I know and have seen projects drag on for long periods of time because you may get lazy, lose interests, prioritize time differently.

 

[Giant Robot]

Has anyone bought and restored an older car?

I'm thinking of maybe doing that instead of buying a new car... maybe 60s/70s Mustang/Chevelle/Camaro or 80s BMW... Or 90s M3, but those are still a bit pricey.

don't do it unless you have $$$. People want ridiculous money for an average E30 M3 with high mileage, hell even E30 318/325 go for stupid money. An S14 motor will cost you about $15K new or rebuilt. By the time you rebuild/restore an E30 M3 it'll put you near $25k+. I've already gone through an E30 325 and E34 M5. Older BMW M cars are always a pain in the ass to source/price stuff.

I think you're better off rebuilding a Mustang/Chevelle/Camaro. Endless amounts and choices on parts, accesibility, not overpriced.

 

[twinturbo2]

I don't know about classic muscle not being overpriced. Early, pre '73 Mustangs and pre-'74 Camaros demand redonkulous money. And forget about early Mopars.

 

[JackEtc]

Was working a wedding at work today, this showed up.

Was so awesome.

 

[reilo]

if you need it on a daily basis don't do it. It's only good as a secondary car and only if you have the space to store it to work on it since I assume you may have a job and can't spend too much time on it. Also I don't know your ability to work on cars but if you haven't considered the price of finding out of production spare parts you may want to look into that first.

Also if you are comfortable working on cars of course I would say do it, I love classics but from my own first hand experience I know and have seen projects drag on for long periods of time because you may get lazy, lose interests, prioritize time differently.

Yeah this will definitely be a project car. My Speed6 will be paid off in January (three years early!) so it will leave me room to potentially have a second car. Space is an issue at the moment but might change by the summer.

don't do it unless you have $$$. People want ridiculous money for an average E30 M3 with high mileage, hell even E30 318/325 go for stupid money. An S14 motor will cost you about $15K new or rebuilt. By the time you rebuild/restore an E30 M3 it'll put you near $25k+. I've already gone through an E30 325 and E34 M5. Older BMW M cars are always a pain in the ass to source/price stuff.

I think you're better off rebuilding a Mustang/Chevelle/Camaro. Endless amounts and choices on parts, accesibility, not overpriced.

Oh yeah I definitely don't view this as a cheap project, but a damn fun, tedious, frustrating, and if everything goes well, an amazing project.

I'm seeing used e30s in my area on Craigslist for < $4k, even a shell for $250 (but JUST the shell).

I'd love a '69-70 Mustang or a 67-69 Camaro but those are so rare and expensive it seems by doing a quick search ($8-10k for some...).

I don't know about classic muscle not being overpriced. Early, pre '73 Mustangs and pre-'74 Camaros demand redonkulous money. And forget about early Mopars.

Yeah that's what I am finding out, too.

It would be cheaper to get a E36 and go balls out with that. HP Freaks is even in Portland.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Yeah this will definitely be a project car. My Speed6 will be paid off in January (three years early!) so it will leave me room to potentially have a second car. Space is an issue at the moment but might change by the summer.

Oh yeah I definitely don't view this as a cheap project, but a damn fun, tedious, frustrating, and if everything goes well, an amazing project.

I'm seeing used e30s in my area on Craigslist for < $4k, even a shell for $250 (but JUST the shell).

I'd love a '69-70 Mustang or a 67-69 Camaro but those are so rare and expensive it seems by doing a quick search ($8-10k for some...).

Yeah that's what I am finding out, too.

It would be cheaper to get a E36 and go balls out with that. HP Freaks is even in Portland.

That reminds me... anyone know how much a '67 (first year) Camaro goes for? RS package with all original, 98% mint blue leather interior? All it needs is a repaint, has original rims too.

Edit: Oh holy fuck, they go for $20-30k on average, sometimes up to $60k+... can't believe I have something that valuable just sitting in my garage.

 

[Epic Tales of Penis]

Just bought a set of four winter tires and slapped them on this morning. So hard to make a decision on which ones to put on.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Really, I don't recall telling where I drove the car. But thanks for telling me what my own life experiences are because obviously I wasn't aware of them.

Have you ever even driven one or are you white knighting a car you've never even touched?

I have driven NA and NC Miatas both on and off track.

 

[h1nch]

Ah the joys of owning a BMW After nearly a month I absolutely love the car. I haven't really opened her up as I've been trying to obey the break in period, but I'm about 100 miles from finishing that so I can't wait to really lay into the throttle on the open roads.

On the flipside, its been around 3 weeks or so, and my car already has at least 2 annoying creaks/rattles. One seems to be coming from the windshield, and the other from the driver's side window. They're not loud, but noticeable enough that I can hear them with the music on (in between beats)

I'm planning to take my car in for a pre-emptive oil change at my cost, so I think I'm going to make them address the creaks that I'm hearing.

Anyone who thinks BMWs are low maintenance is kidding themselves. Still its a price I'm more than willing to pay given the sheer amount of enjoyment I get from driving my car.

 

[MisterNoisy]

Ah the joys of owning a BMW After nearly a month I absolutely love the car. I haven't really opened her up as I've been trying to obey the break in period, but I'm about 100 miles from finishing that so I can't wait to really lay into the throttle on the open roads.

On the flipside, its been around 3 weeks or so, and my car already has at least 2 annoying creaks/rattles. One seems to be coming from the windshield, and the other from the driver's side window. They're not loud, but noticeable enough that I can hear them with the music on (in between beats)

I'm planning to take my car in for a pre-emptive oil change at my cost, so I think I'm going to make them address the creaks that I'm hearing.

Anyone who thinks BMWs are low maintenance is kidding themselves. Still its a price I'm more than willing to pay given the sheer amount of enjoyment I get from driving my car.

Are you serious? Rattles after three weeks? I got shitloads of enjoyment out of my '00 Focus (driving a slow car fast is much more fun than driving a fast car slow), and it was a rock even after I sold it five years later. I'd be bitching up a storm if a new car had that shit going on.

 

[twinturbo2]

That reminds me... anyone know how much a '67 (first year) Camaro goes for? RS package with all original, 98% mint blue leather interior? All it needs is a repaint, has original rims too.

Edit: Oh holy fuck, they go for $20-30k on average, sometimes up to $60k+... can't believe I have something that valuable just sitting in my garage.

First, pics, please. Secondly, get an appraisal. You may be sitting on a gold mine.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

That reminds me... anyone know how much a '67 (first year) Camaro goes for? RS package with all original, 98% mint blue leather interior? All it needs is a repaint, has original rims too.

Edit: Oh holy fuck, they go for $20-30k on average, sometimes up to $60k+... can't believe I have something that valuable just sitting in my garage.

dang, pics please!

Are you gonna keep her or sell it?

 

[ameratsu]

the one upside to the first snowfall of the year: doing donuts in parking lots with my awd car before they plow the snow

 

[TurtleSnatcher]

Ah the joys of owning a BMW After nearly a month I absolutely love the car. I haven't really opened her up as I've been trying to obey the break in period, but I'm about 100 miles from finishing that so I can't wait to really lay into the throttle on the open roads.

On the flipside, its been around 3 weeks or so, and my car already has at least 2 annoying creaks/rattles. One seems to be coming from the windshield, and the other from the driver's side window. They're not loud, but noticeable enough that I can hear them with the music on (in between beats)

I'm planning to take my car in for a pre-emptive oil change at my cost, so I think I'm going to make them address the creaks that I'm hearing.

Anyone who thinks BMWs are low maintenance is kidding themselves. Still its a price I'm more than willing to pay given the sheer amount of enjoyment I get from driving my car.

Haha...

Yep. My MINI Coupe is actually in service to fix a rattle/buzzing on the driver side A-pillar area and on the B-Pillar behind the passenger headrest.

The joys of BMW and debut model runs for me!

I expected it.. but thankfully MINI service is some of the best out there and they always bend over backwards to help out.

 

[Stinkles]

That reminds me... anyone know how much a '67 (first year) Camaro goes for? RS package with all original, 98% mint blue leather interior? All it needs is a repaint, has original rims too.

Edit: Oh holy fuck, they go for $20-30k on average, sometimes up to $60k+... can't believe I have something that valuable just sitting in my garage.

Get it appraised, get what needs fixing fixed and get rid of it. Muscle car value has been in beanie Baby territory for a loooong. The fact that you can buy a mint Ferrari for less than a mint Camaro should be an obvious clue.

 

[a176]

doing donuts

awd

huh?

 

[reilo]

huh?

It's doable in snow with summer tires.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

First, pics, please. Secondly, get an appraisal. You may be sitting on a gold mine.

dang, pics please!

Are you gonna keep her or sell it?

Alright guys, I'll get a pic when it stops raining! Probably end up keeping it, the value is only going to go up right?

Get it appraised, get what needs fixing fixed and get rid of it. Muscle car value has been in beanie Baby territory for a loooong. The fact that you can buy a mint Ferrari for less than a mint Camaro should be an obvious clue.

Yeah, it's kind of insane how much love there is for these cars. If the garage is open, tons of people will come to the door and offer 10k+ for the car.

 

[reilo]

UPDATE: Apparently the image above is likely a Photoshop, despite very much like the spy shots we've already been shown. Even so, it appears to give a realistic view of the 2013 model.

blurgh.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/04/new-2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-image-leaks-out/

 

[Mest30]

Any other marauder owners in here? I have an 03, 60k miles with a decent amount of bolt ons. Love the car and am looking forward to continuing to mod her.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Yeah, it's kind of insane how much love there is for these cars. If the garage is open, tons of people will come to the door and offer 10k+ for the car.

Of course the value will go up but it will probably never go down that is unless you maintain it.

If its in running condition do your best to maintain it, if the paint is original keep it covered and clean.

 

[AcridMeat]

I've been thinking more about how I want a Hyundai Genesis. But I also want a Fiesta. I know, how very different.

Of course I can't afford either.

@Mest30 You mean a Mercury Marauder right? Because when I read that I first thought of this.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Bow down to the Godzilla - refreshed GT-R doing 0-100kmh in 2.8 seconds.

The outgoing twin-turbo V6-powered 520bhp monster was a car that Jeremy described as "beyond-belief quick". But the new ‘uns even quicker. 542bhp and 466lb ft. That's 12bhp and 15lb ft up from the last one, which whittles the 0-62mph time down from 3.0 seconds to 2.8.

Lord have mercy.

 

[twinturbo2]

Bow down to the Godzilla - refreshed GT-R doing 0-100kmh in 2.8 seconds.



Lord have mercy.

Still ugly as fuck, though.

I'd rather spend the extra $150K and get the McLaren MP4-12C.

 

[reilo]

Bow down to the Godzilla - refreshed GT-R doing 0-100kmh in 2.8 seconds.



Lord have mercy.

12HP could not have been the difference in a whopping 0.2 seconds being lopped off of that 0-60 time. What else did they do?

Still ugly as fuck, though.

I'd rather spend the extra $150K and get the McLaren MP4-12C.

If you had an extra $150k to spend, you'd most likely be able to afford both anyhow, so that is a moot point.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

12HP could not have been the difference in a whopping 0.2 seconds being lopped off of that 0-60 time. What else did they do?

They probably tweaked the AWD system, they're always improving it.

 

[AlphaSnake]

12HP could not have been the difference in a whopping 0.2 seconds being lopped off of that 0-60 time. What else did they do?

If you had an extra $150k to spend, you'd most likely be able to afford both anyhow, so that is a moot point.

That's a typo. It's 20HP, actually and torque. And with turbos being so variable based on outside temps, it's possible that the gains are more than just 20HP - we'd need to see how the area under the curve has changed between the 520HP GT-R and this updated one.

 

[Kabouter]

Bow down to the Godzilla - refreshed GT-R doing 0-100kmh in 2.8 seconds.



Lord have mercy.

And I thought the previous iteration of the GT-R was crazy fast :|. That is an incredible car.

 

[bodyboarder]

That new gtr sounds impressive.

 

[Pterion]

Bow down to the Godzilla - refreshed GT-R doing 0-100kmh in 2.8 seconds.



Lord have mercy.

Lovely. By the time I get decent money to play with, I will have several options for neck-breaking cars.

 

[Shogmaster]

blurgh.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/04/new-2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-image-leaks-out/

Like it much more than the old face.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

2.8? what a car.

I wish I liked the front end more.