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[Dreams-Visions]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

 

[reilo]

You may want to re-read my post for context. I never compared a 996 interior to the GT's, I actually offered it as an example of what a 'horrible interior' looks like.

But you're still comparing it to the Mustang by just simply bringing it up. Intended to or not.

No, it's really not. There are far worse, more offensive interiors out there. Plus, don't forget about the price tier difference.

Yeah, called the Camaros and Challengers and some other direct competitors. But that doesn't make the Mustang exempt from criticism.

The question is, how are you really quantifying what a good interior in a 30k car is? You want a sweet interior in a 30k+ car that isn't a luxury cruiser? The Mustang GT was never advertised as a luxobarge like an Accord or Camry. If you want a sweet interior, you're going to spend 40-60k... so stepping into M3 territory.

My Mazdaspeed6 cost $30k MSRP (nevermind the fact you were able to buy it for $25k brand new from a dealer at the time) and has much better interior. Better build quality, better styling, better feel, better UI, better everything. That's how I quantify it.

Again, my arguments are for performance: what really justifies the M3 over the Mustang GT, other than aesthetics/badging? That's all.

I never compared it to a M3. So my question is, again, who are you arguing with?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Regardless of who's arguing, I'm surprised (and by "surprised", I mean "stunned") that someone would attempt to compare a Mustang GT to an M3. From materials used, to build quality, fit, finish, ride, features & technology...the fuck...it's like comparing an eMachines laptop to an HP Elitebook. Bare-bones + engine vs. luxury sportscar do-it-all + engine + legendary brand. Even if the engines offer similar power, there's a world of differences separating the 2 vehicles that make one better than the other.

Anyone who's spent any time driving/riding in both understands this quite clearly.

That said, the BOSS is a badass car that anyone would be happy to own. Not my style, though (I tried really hard to like the Mustang look, but failed).

 

[BoobPhysics101]

But you're still comparing it to the Mustang by just simply bringing it up. Intended to or not.

True that. Oops. But not attempting to directly compare.

Yeah, called the Camaros and Challengers and some other direct competitors. But that doesn't make the Mustang exempt from criticism.

Good point. But it also depends on what you're comparing it to. Other cars in its price range? Direct competitors? Luxury cars?

My Mazdaspeed6 cost $30k MSRP (nevermind the fact you were able to buy it for $25k brand new from a dealer at the time) and has much better interior. Better build quality, better styling, better feel, better UI, better everything. That's how I quantify it.

Styling is subjective, feel is subjective. And in terms of build quality, doesn't the MS6 use the same engine as the Mazdaspeed 3? If I recall correctly, that engine grenades itself at random, and it's not an isolated issue. I don't think you can bring up build quality when the engine is known to blow, even when unmodified.

Regardless, I too find that the MS6 is a great car with good quality, especially for how much it retailed for.

I never compared it to a M3. So my question is, again, who are you arguing with?

This GT discussion isn't just limited to what you have said, regardless of whether or not you mentioned the M3. I have been comparing it to the M3 throughout the whole discussion, not sure if you missed that. You bring up the interior, and all along I've been talking about the value of the car as a whole vs competitors in its price range and even in higher tiers.

If you're going to throw the interior in the equation, could you provide examples of what would be an equivalent to the GT that shames the interior? I have brought up the M3 several times but as pointed out, that costs 2x as much.

 

[reilo]

Good point. But it also depends on what you're comparing it to. Other cars in its price range? Direct competitors? Luxury cars?

Plenty of coupes out there in that price range with nicer interiors. Plenty of four-doors, too.

Styling is subjective, feel is subjective. And in terms of build quality, doesn't the MS6 use the same engine as the Mazdaspeed 3? If I recall correctly, that engine grenades itself at random, and it's not an isolated issue. I don't think you can bring up build quality when the engine is known to blow, even when unmodified.

Regardless, I too find that the MS6 is a great car with good quality, especially for how much it retailed for.

My friend, focus. Read what I post first. You're going off on tangents left and right. When someone compares the feel and build quality of the interior of a vehicle, let's keep it on the subject on the interior and not something completely different like the engine or overall car quality.

This GT discussion isn't just limited to what you have said, regardless of whether or not you mentioned the M3. I have been comparing it to the M3 throughout the whole discussion, not sure if you missed that. You bring up the interior, and all along I've been talking about the value of the car as a whole vs competitors in its price range and even in higher tiers.

I was very explicit in my complaints about the Mustang and what I didn't like about it. The fact that you are projecting an argument you are having with other people (or with yourself for all I know) onto the specific issue I have with the Mustang's interior is your issue to deal with.

If you're going to throw the interior in the equation, could you provide examples of what would be an equivalent to the GT that shames the interior? I have brought up the M3 several times but as pointed out, that costs 2x as much.

Again, you're missing the point of my argument. I can list a dozen cars with better interiors for the money, but you will keep harping on the "but performance!" argument. It's besides the point. A nicely designed interior shouldn't be exclusive to luxury vehicles -- and it isn't. Great performance or not.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Regardless of who's arguing, I'm surprised (and by "surprised", I mean "stunned") that someone would attempt to compare a Mustang GT to an M3. From materials used, to build quality, fit, finish, ride, features & technology...the fuck...it's like comparing an eMachines laptop to an HP Elitebook. Bare-bones + engine vs. luxury sportscar do-it-all + engine + legendary brand. Even if the engines offer similar power, there's a world of differences separating the 2 vehicles that make one better than the other.

Anyone who's spent any time driving/riding in both understands this quite clearly.

That said, the BOSS is a badass car that anyone would be happy to own. Not my style, though (I tried really hard to like the Mustang look, but failed).

Really? Let's hear those huge gaps in difference.

Build quality? An M3 is going to be more unreliable overall, regardless of how pretty the interior and exterior is. Build quality isn't just limited to how good a car looks.

So that leaves what... features? Technology? Yeah, obviously you're going to get more gadgets when you pay 30k+ more for a car. The key differences I'm seeing are gadgets and luxury. In your own words, slightly paraphrased:

Mustang GT = sportscar do-it all + engine
M3 = *luxury* sportscar do-it all + engine + gadgets + legendary brand

So... luxury, gadgets, and a badge.

And don't even bring up these differences and then say "Anyone who's spent any time driving/riding in both understands this quite clearly." So wait, the cars have the same performance in the real world, but one is fancier and more expensive? Isn't the MAIN point of buying a fucking Mustang GT or M3 is because it's a PERFORMANCE vehicle? But then you argue the GT isn't as good because of superficial differences?

This begs the question that has been posed since the GT has emerged as an M3 competitor: are people buying the M3 for the performance, or for the brand-whoring/gadgets/fanciness? So what would happen if the Mustang GT had the same fancy features, gadgets and technology as the M3? What's left? Brand name?

You have given the same argument that I've already seen plenty of times since the whole GT vs M3 debate has arisen, and it's weak. The comparison of GT vs M3 has NEVER been about the car's features and all of the extraneous crap. The comparison has ALWAYS been about performance. So why is all of the extra crap brought up when the point of the whole matter is simple:

The Mustang GT is equivalent to an M3 in performance

Look up "straw man argument", because that's what all the bullshit about features etc really amounts to.

 

[reilo]

If we are going to go by reliability based on company's past, the Mustang doesn't really have a coilover to stand on.

 

[Pterion]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

911 turbo S or bust!

j/k

Enjoy your new Porsche (and wealth) in good health!

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Plenty of coupes out there in that price range with nicer interiors. Plenty of four-doors, too.

And plenty below the price range with nicer interiors. Again, this has been about performance.

My friend, focus. Read what I post first. You're going off on tangents left and right. When someone compares the feel and build quality of the interior of a vehicle, let's keep it on the subject on the interior and not something completely different like the engine or overall car quality.

My bad, I misread. I thought you meant overall feel, styling, build quality etc. I apologize. Yes, the MS6 is better than the GT in interior quality, that is very true. (and be careful with your engine if you're tuning it... those engines are picky)

I was very explicit in my complaints about the Mustang and what I didn't like about it. The fact that you are projecting an argument you are having with other people (or with yourself for all I know) onto the specific issue I have with the Mustang's interior is your issue to deal with.




Again, you're missing the point of my argument. I can list a dozen cars with better interiors for the money, but you will keep harping on the "but performance!" argument. It's besides the point. A nicely designed interior shouldn't be exclusive to luxury vehicles -- and it isn't. Great performance or not.

Perhaps interior quality is important to some people, but there's sacrifices with any car. I find that the interior in the new GT is suitable for the price and for the market the car is aiming for.

God, I never thought I'd argue passionately about a freakin' MUSTANG.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

The 997.2 Carrera is AMAZING. Awesome choice!

But still, check out the Cayman S. The performance is almost equal, and I believe the Cayman S is quite a bit less.

 

[reilo]

And plenty below the price range with nicer interiors. Again, this has been about performance.

No, my complaint hasn't. It's been very focused from the beginning. Search through my old posts about the Mustang in this thread if you feel so enticed to do so.

My bad, I misread. I thought you meant overall feel, styling, build quality etc. I apologize. Yes, the MS6 is better than the GT in interior quality, that is very true. (and be careful with your engine if you're tuning it... those engines are picky)

The only picky thing about the DISI 2.3 is that the K04 turbo is garbage and I plan on replacing it down the line anyway. That and a HPFP, which is easy to do. But I already have done all of my "make sure shit don't break mods", aka, rear diff mounts, engine mounts, swaybar, etc. So, ugh, thanks?

Perhaps interior quality is important to some people, but there's sacrifices with any car. I find that the interior in the new GT is suitable for the price and for the market the car is aiming for.

God, I never thought I'd argue passionately about a freakin' MUSTANG.

I'm a very big stickler when it comes to style and fit and finish. Any car I plan to purchase and drive for a good amount requires an interior that I agree with -- price has nothing to do with it. That's not a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

And no, the interior is not suitable for any market.

 

[Pein]

It's not worth 16-19k, that's for sure.

A G35 would be a bad choice too, due to the horrible gas mileage and lame looks.

Bah, Nissan. Short of the GTR and 370z, all of their recent cars have been pretty displeasing to me. But at least they're not as bad as recent Honda/Acura line-ups. Yuck.

Dude G35 still looks sick. Get off the S2Ks jock.

 

[Enron]

Dude G35 still looks sick. Get off the S2Ks jock.

yeah!

 

[Pterion]

Dude G35 still looks sick. Get off the S2Ks jock.

G35 looks better than G37. True story!

 

[MWS Natural]

G35 looks better than G37. True story!

Yep.

Spoiler

Even though no one commented on the pic of my G =/

 

[AlphaSnake]

I leave for one hour and all hell breaks? And now I have to leave for like another 3 hours! Fawk!

I would've gladly shitted on a bunch of statements made just now, I'm so ready to abuse that QUOTE tag like a motherfucker.

 

[BloodySinner]

http://jalopnik.com/#!5793084/audi-gives-british-royal-family-a-60-discount-on-new-cars

Really? Why?

 

[Enron]

Yep.

Spoiler

Even though no one commented on the pic of my G =/

no one commented on mine in the show off your car thread either. :/ That's what i get for driving stock!

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Dude G35 still looks sick. Get off the S2Ks jock.

Only the back end looks good. The front is garbage, it's literally just an Altima front end. And they're way too heavy and slow to be any fun.

"The Altima Coupe... err G35 looks sick, yo!"

And where did I ever bring up the S2k to bring down the G35?

The G37 was a vast improvement in styling over the G35, just like the 370z > 350z.

Here's a REAL Nissan. This is how the G35 should've been styled.

Now that's aggressive/sexy with performance to match.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

No, my complaint hasn't. It's been very focused from the beginning. Search through my old posts about the Mustang in this thread if you feel so enticed to do so.


The only picky thing about the DISI 2.3 is that the K04 turbo is garbage and I plan on replacing it down the line anyway. That and a HPFP, which is easy to do. But I already have done all of my "make sure shit don't break mods", aka, rear diff mounts, engine mounts, swaybar, etc. So, ugh, thanks?



I'm a very big stickler when it comes to style and fit and finish. Any car I plan to purchase and drive for a good amount requires an interior that I agree with -- price has nothing to do with it. That's not a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

And no, the interior is not suitable for any market.

Damn dude, at this point I'm just expecting a video of you taking a dump in a Mustang interior and declaring that it "now looks better." Hell, I'm not a huge fan of the interior but you really can't stand it. :lol

Really? All of the VW/GTI guys can't wait to get K04's in their FSI/TSI engines and discarding their K03's. Maybe you should try selling your K04 to one of them and throwing on a GT30/35?

 

[reilo]

Damn dude, at this point I'm just expecting a video of you taking a dump in a Mustang interior and declaring that it "now looks better." Hell, I'm not a huge fan of the interior but you really can't stand it. :lol

Everything about the interior is bad in my opinion. From the use of font, from the layout, from the materials, from the design of the seats.

Really? All of the VW/GTI guys can't wait to get K04's in their FSI/TSI engines and discarding their K03's. Maybe you should try selling your K04 to one of them and throwing on a GT30/35?

Chances are the K04 will crap out (just did for my buddy who's got a Mazdaspeed6, he's going with an ATP 3071) before I could do that.

 

[Stinkles]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

If you think that thing grips, you should drive a recent Lotus. Or if you want to get totally insane, an Ariel Atom.

 

[Pterion]

The G37 was a vast improvement in styling over the G35, just like the 370z > 350z.

Disagree on both. I'll admit that I found the G35 and G37 kind of slow. Guess I was spoiled by turbo/supercharged cars with lowdown torque.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Everything about the interior is bad in my opinion. From the use of font, from the layout, from the materials, from the design of the seats.


Chances are the K04 will crap out (just did for my buddy who's got a Mazdaspeed6, he's going with an ATP 3071) before I could do that.

I'll go re-examine the GT interior and see if I notice what you've pointed out to me.

Who cares? VW kids are used to shit breaking in expensive ways. They'll just figure it's par for the course if that turbo goes nuts and develops shaft play. Sell!

Disagree on both. I'll admit that I found the G35 and G37 kind of slow. Guess I was spoiled by turbo/supercharged cars with lowdown torque.

They're slow because they have low end torque, but no top end. The G35 is especially bad for this; the low-down torque makes people think it's fast, but it really runs out of breath past 60 MPH. The G37 is improved, but is still way too heavy to really benefit. The G37S hits like 3,650-something lbs curb weight. GD

The G35 is so slow that even a Stage 1 GTI that I've driven felt worlds faster, even though those too have bad top end. Gotta love a small boosted 4 cylinder. They really do make NA V6's almost pointless.

 

[BertramCooper]

A week from now, this shall be mine.

It's no Porsche or BMW, but as a 24 year-old getting my first brand new car on my own, I'm pretty fucking excited. I've had my little S-10 pickup since high school, and it's time to upgrade.

And having seen the leaked photos of the 2012 Malibu, I'm glad I'm getting the last of this series. I'm not digging the redesign.

 

[ascii42]

2013 Chevy Malibu

The Malibu has to have the most improved interior over the last decade

 

[BertramCooper]

2013 Chevy Malibu

See, it's the rear lights that really turn me off. I don't care for them at all.

The front end is okay, though.

 

[ascii42]

See, it's the rear lights that really turn me off. I don't care for them at all.

The front end is okay, though.

Watch the reveal video. I don't think the taillights look good on the render, but they look pretty cool there.

But alas, I bought a 2010 Malibu last year, and have no reason to get this one.

 

[BertramCooper]

Watch the reveal video. I don't think the taillights look good on the render, but they look pretty cool there.

But alas, I bought a 2010 Malibu last year, and have no reason to get this one.

Yeah, they look a bit better in that video, but I'm still not a huge fan. They're a bit to racecar-ish for my liking, and I don't think they really mesh with the headlights all that well.

Perhaps I'm merely justifying my decision to get a 2011. But in any case, I can't really wait to get a new vehicle any longer. And I love the current iteration of Malibu, so I'll be happy to have one.

 

[DD]

Whats the price of a Malibu in US?

 

[ascii42]

Yeah, they look a bit better in that video, but I'm still not a huge fan. They're a bit to racecar-ish for my liking, and I don't think they really mesh with the headlights all that well.

Perhaps I'm merely justifying my decision to get a 2011. But in any case, I can't really wait to get a new vehicle any longer. And I love the current iteration of Malibu, so I'll be happy to have one.

I know exactly how you feel. I was faced with a similar situation last year. My other car is 35 years old now, and has 195,000 miles, I needed something so I wouldn't run it into the ground driving it everywhere. I saw what were then just spy shots of the upcoming Malibu. I figured since I was unsure of the new one, and I really liked the current one, that I might as well buy now. Worst comes to worse, I can trade up. The current Malibu is a great car, so I have no regrets. I couldn't have gotten anything I liked more without spending a lot more money.

Whats the price of a Malibu in US?

MSRP starts at around $22k, but there are probably around $3k worth of incentives available. When I got mine last year, there was a $3k incentive, plus another $2k since my grandfather used to work for Oldsmobile. That brought what would have been a $25k car down to a $20k car. Tough to argue with 20% off.

 

[Lord Error]

And don't even bring up these differences and then say "Anyone who's spent any time driving/riding in both understands this quite clearly." So wait, the cars have the same performance in the real world, but one is fancier and more expensive?

I'm not going to pretend I spent any time driving each of those (the closest I got to either was to be a passenger in the V6 Mustang 2010, which, yeah, the interior is plasticy and smells like plastic too), but isn't the thing about the cars in this class not just about engine performance, but the speed / quality / smoothness of transmission, the way cars behave in tight turns, quality of suspension, brakes, etc. I understand that M is really good with all of that. Doesn't it have the fastest auto transmission of all cars in that class (downshift rev matching too, which I don't think Mustang has?). Doesn't it also have the highest quality/fastest manual stick with dual clutch? Also, those electromagnetic liquid shock absorbers, or have I confused that with CTS-V?

Yes, the price difference is big, but with enthusiast cars like that there always comes the point where you're expected to pay disproportionally more for details that some people would consider 'small'. This just gets more obvious as you go up to the supercars class.

 

[twinturbo2]

I gotta show you a roush mustang that was on sale on eBay for 21k 3 weeks ago or so... It was AT 4 but man that shit looked amazing..


And I don't particularly like the look of mustangs either.. It had the perfect body kit and fucking perfect rims.

Roush Mustangs are fucking awesome. Have you seen the new Stage 3 models?

 

[BertramCooper]

Whats the price of a Malibu in US?

They start at about $22,000. There are some good rebates going on right now, so mine will be about $19,000. I'm gettting the basic LS - the LTs go for a few thousand more, but I can't really justify going any higher. I've still got college loans to pay off.

I know exactly how you feel. I was faced with a similar situation last year. My other car is 35 years old now, and has 195,000 miles, I needed something so I wouldn't run it into the ground driving it everywhere. I saw what were then just spy shots of the upcoming Malibu. I figured since I was unsure of the new one, and I really liked the current one, that I might as well buy now. Worst comes to worse, I can trade up. The current Malibu is a great car, so I have no regrets. I couldn't have gotten anything I liked more without spending a lot more money.

It really is amazing how much GM has improved it in the past five years.

It's kind of shocking.

 

[DD]

MSRP starts at around $22k, but there are probably around $3k worth of incentives available. When I got mine last year, there was a $3k incentive, plus another $2k since my grandfather used to work for Oldsmobile. That brought what would have been a $25k car down to a $20k car. Tough to argue with 20% off.

Damn, I hate my country! A Chevy Malibu costs "only" US$ 53k here.

 

[DD]

They start at about $22,000. There are some good rebates going on right now, so mine will be about $19,000. I'm gettting the basic LS - the LTs go for a few thousand more, but I can't really justify going any higher. I've still got college loans to pay off.

Thanks for the answer, mate!

Malibu is a luxury car here. Yep, we pay a looooooooooot of taxes...

 

[BertramCooper]

Thanks for the answer, mate!

Malibu is a luxury car here. Yep, we pay a looooooooooot of taxes...

Australia, I'm guessing?

 

[ecnal]

Shit, Subaru doesn't have to get it right. Badge whores will buy the new STi, horrible stock performance or not.

I'd really have trouble justifying the STi when you could get better aftermarket suspension for much less.

lol?

a wrx has more in common with a base impreza than an sti, mechanically.

you'll spend way over 8K to replicate the drivetrain, transmission, and suspension from an sti.

moreover, if you're gonna mod heavily, the investment in the sti is worth it based solely on the bullet-proof tranny.

 

[MWS Natural]

Nonsesnse

I think I've disagreed with every post of yours that I had read in this thread so far. I personally didn't buy a G35 to race or for speed, I bought it because I think it's a great looking car. To each his own!

no one commented on mine in the show off your car thread either. :/ That's what i get for driving stock!

Pics! No worries man car GAF is very BMW biased.

 

[ecnal]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

GTR?

better performer in every single regard, and it's not even close.

 

[Stinkles]

Pics! No worries man car GAF is appropriately Mazda biased.

Fixed.

 

[MisterNoisy]

It's not as nice as some of the iron you guys in this thread are pushing, but I just took home a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track.

Coming from a '07 Scion tC, it's a HUGE step up.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I can think of something about the M3 that makes it better than the Mustang GT: a functional transmission. I'm not even in the market for a car and it pisses me off knowing Ford's shipping GT's with completely fucked up transmissions and not even bothering to fix it. I guess "won't go into gear" isn't enough of a safety concern.

 

[Enron]

It's not as nice as some of the iron you guys in this thread are pushing, but I just took home a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track.

Coming from a '07 Scion tC, it's a HUGE step up.

That's a nice lookin' car. I sat in several at the Atlanta Auto Show the other week, one of the top 5 cars that really impressed me there.

 

[black_13]

It's not as nice as some of the iron you guys in this thread are pushing, but I just took home a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track.
http://i52.tinypic.com/119z60z.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2h4cm05.jpg

Coming from a '07 Scion tC, it's a HUGE step up.

Love the Genesis. If I were to buy a new car today, it would be that hands down. The 3.8L as well. Looks great in yellow as well.

 

[AlexMogil]

lol?

a wrx has more in common with a base impreza than an sti, mechanically.

you'll spend way over 8K to replicate the drivetrain, transmission, and suspension from an sti.

moreover, if you're gonna mod heavily, the investment in the sti is worth it based solely on the bullet-proof tranny.

I decided to get the STi. I am pre approved and going to go get it Wednesday god willing. It's a shame I have to drive 250 miles to get it, but, it's my dream car. I have always wanted an STi.

 

[MisterNoisy]

I decided to get the STi. I am pre approved and going to go get it Wednesday god willing. It's a shame I have to drive 250 miles to get it, but, it's my dream car. I have always wanted an STi.

Woo - congrats! Consider that 250 miles you'll have to drive back the start of your break-in phase of ownership.

 

[ecnal]

I decided to get the STi. I am pre approved and going to go get it Wednesday god willing. It's a shame I have to drive 250 miles to get it, but, it's my dream car. I have always wanted an STi.

'grats. like misterynoisy said, enjoy the drive back.

'11 sti's have a substantially revised suspension too -- much better than any of the previous gr (or gd, for that matter) setups.

 

[Halvie]

Welp, test-drove a 2011 911 Carrera 4S w/PDK today.

I think I'm sold. You don't really appreciate what people tell you about Porsche handling and grip until you actually drive one. Holy shit. I thought my BMW had good grip...but this is another level entirely. Rode hard as hell too...something I'll have to get used to, I suppose. But I was very impressed by the car and the salesmen. Shockingly, it's not very loud inside either, which was something I expected. Oh, and 19/28 on the gas.

Overall, flawless victory. I used to hate the look of Porsche's...but now, I really like them.

Cayman S still has a chance...I didn't have time to test drive it today, so that will come later in the week. We'll see.

What is the price difference between teh Cayman 2 and C4S? One of the shops I take my car two did a turbo kit on a Cayman S a couple months ago. Was on the cover of grassroots motorsport magazine. Car is beastly.

It's not as nice as some of the iron you guys in this thread are pushing, but I just took home a 2011 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track.

Coming from a '07 Scion tC, it's a HUGE step up.

These are really really starting to grow on me. Still hard for me to want a Hyundai though. Come from when they were "joke" cars. Kinda kills me inside finding out the 2.0t shares some similarities with the evo engine. Interested in seeing how the new DI engine turns out.

 

[MisterNoisy]

These are really really starting to grow on me. Still hard for me to want a Hyundai though. Come from when they were "joke" cars. Kinda kills me inside finding out the 2.0t shares some similarities with the evo engine. Interested in seeing how the new DI engine turns out.

Yea - if you'd told me that I'd be buying a 300hp RWD sports car from Hyundai 10 years ago, I'd have laughed myself silly, but here I am. Also took a look at the Equus while they were getting the 'key' and was even more impressed. Not sure the world is ready for a $60K Hyundai, but Hyundai is definitely ready for the world.