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[KtSlime]

When is it appropriate to switch from こんにちは to こんばんは? One of my friends always seems to say the former no matter what time of night it is.

Many use こんにちは for first encounter of the day even if it is already late - I'd say it's pretty common, some do the same for おはよう and use it till it is almost dark.

 

[shanshan310]

Thanks for that man. Its always good to get a second opinion.

It's a little unclear what is being まかせられる. I would also change なると to なったら

I meant "&#20001;&#35242;&#12395;&#12414;&#12363;&#12379;&#12425;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;" to say "you can't leave things to your parents anymore". Is it not clear that it says that? >< Maybe I should get rid of that bit.

Many use &#12371;&#12435;&#12395;&#12385;&#12399; for first encounter of the day even if it is already late - I'd say it's pretty common, some do the same for &#12362;&#12399;&#12424;&#12358; and use it till it is almost dark.

aaah. All my friends used ohayo at any time of day. Then one afternoon I said "ohayo!" and they looked at their clocks like "silly foreigner" noo....

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I meant "&#20001;&#35242;&#12395;&#12414;&#12363;&#12379;&#12425;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;" to say "you can't leave things to your parents anymore". Is it not clear that it says that? >< Maybe I should get rid of that bit.

As in, you can't depend on them anymore (sorry, didn't read the whole paragraph you wrote)?

How about something like ”&#35242;&#12395;&#38972;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;”&#12288;&#65288;&#12362;&#12420;&#12395;&#12383;&#12424;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;&#65289;.

I generally prefer &#35242; over &#20001;&#35242;.

 

[Masked Man]

I feel like I use &#12371;&#12435;&#12400;&#12435;&#12399; from around 6 onward--or starting from around the time that I have dinner.

As in, you can't depend on them anymore (sorry, didn't read the whole paragraph you wrote)?

How about something like ”&#35242;&#12395;&#38972;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;”&#12288;&#65288;&#12362;&#12420;&#12395;&#12383;&#12424;&#12428;&#12394;&#12367;&#12394;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;&#65289;.

I generally prefer &#35242; over &#20001;&#35242;.

Agreed on both counts.

 

[Shouta]

When is it appropriate to switch from &#12371;&#12435;&#12395;&#12385;&#12399; to &#12371;&#12435;&#12400;&#12435;&#12399;? One of my friends always seems to say the former no matter what time of night it is.

I usually switch when it starts getting dark. However, if you work in a job that primarily is focused in the evenings, it sometimes can get flipped but I don't think many people do that, heh.

 

[louis89]

So I got accepted onto JET.

Does anyone know roughly what the actual date you finish on next summer is? I might have to turn it down if it's too late.

 

[345triangle]

isn't it 31st july - 31st july? i'm 95% certain it's july-july, at least from knowing people here on it.

it's a little surprising they don't tell you departure dates in the acceptance letter!

I usually switch when it starts getting dark. However, if you work in a job that primarily is focused in the evenings, it sometimes can get flipped but I don't think many people do that, heh.

i work from 3-9 most days, so the only greeting we are allowed to use at any time of the shift past the initial &#12371;&#12435;&#12395;&#12385;&#12399; is &#12362;&#30130;&#12428;&#27096;&#12391;&#12377;! i think it's presumed that the people who get to work before me should be past the &#30130;&#12428;&#12383; point by then.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

So I got accepted onto JET.

Does anyone know roughly what the actual date you finish on next summer is? I might have to turn it down if it's too late.

Is that not something you can ask them?

 

[louis89]

Is that not something you can ask them?

Probably, thought it would be faster to just post here though.

 

[bigmit3737]

"&#12356;&#12390;&#12367;&#12428;&#12390;"

A&#65363;&#12288;for &#12356;&#12390;, what is the plain form of this verb?

 

[D-Pad]

Help me out, guys, what do they want from me?

I can not sign-in, and thinking it was my password I tried changing it, only to get the same message I've been getting before.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

hey guys I am still trying to learn the slowpoke way

can someone help me get the word Nintendium out of this?

Google says this &#12491;&#12454;&#12512; is Aluminum - of course when I try the english to japanese I get this &#12450;&#12523;&#12511;&#12491;&#12454;&#12512; as Aluminum

so you can see what I was trying to do I was going to take the word Nintendo as I found Nintendo DS is &#12491;&#12531;&#12486;&#12531;&#12489;&#12540;DS

so using that and removing a few things and finding things to replace I ended up with

&#12491;&#12531;&#12486;&#12531;&#12487;&#12451;&#12454;&#12512; = Nintendiumu ?

why the mu at google?

(yeah I may never learn any Japanese putting puzzles together but I enjoy the puzzles of messing with words that are rarely used... fun challenge)

so can someone help me remove the "mu" or is google just messing with me, did I get the word I wanted?

 

[Zoe]

so can someone help me remove the "mu" or is google just messing with me, did I get the word I wanted?

The only sound in Japanese that doesn't end in a vowel is 'n'.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

The only sound in Japanese that doesn't end in a vowel is 'n'.

okay thanks

 

[Cheesemeister]

"&#12356;&#12390;&#12367;&#12428;&#12390;"

A&#65363;&#12288;for &#12356;&#12390;, what is the plain form of this verb?

Context? It's probably &#12356;&#12427;, but if it's mis-transcribed, it could be &#35328;&#12358; or &#34892;&#12367;.

 

[bigmit3737]

Context? It's probably &#12356;&#12427;, but if it's mis-transcribed, it could be &#35328;&#12358; or &#34892;&#12367;.

Thank you.&#12288;&#12356;&#12427;&#12290;&#12288;

 

[gerg]

The only sound in Japanese that doesn't end in a vowel is 'n'.

Actually, IIRC, the three phonemes are "n", "m", and "ng", but all three are produced by the sole character "&#12435;".

 

[cntr]

Actually, IIRC, the three phonemes are "n", "m", and "ng", but all three are produced by the sole character "&#12435;".

&#12435; can be pronounced in six different ways; however, two of them are nasal vowels.

And they're considered one (archi-)phoneme.

 

[gerg]

&#12435; can be pronounced in six different ways; however, two of them are nasal vowels.

What's the fourth consonant?

And they're considered one (archi-)phoneme.

Really? Interesting.

I learnt that they were separate but similar sounds, although I guess what we were given on the TEFL course was more to help us teach than it was to give us a full academic background on the IPA.

 

[cntr]

&#12435; is pronounced as an uvular nasal at the end of utterances and on its own -- take an "ng" and move your tongue further back. (If you know how to pronounce the Arabic "q" or the French "r", that's the general region you're aiming for)

 

[Natetan]

my favourite is where the entire right half of &#27231; gets replaced by &#12461;.

reminds me of &#30382;&#12501;&#31185; you see on signs sometimes.

I've never even seen the kanji for ichijiku before. always written in kana.

&#12435; is pronounced as an uvular nasal at the end of utterances and on its own -- take an "ng" and move your tongue further back. (If you know how to pronounce the Arabic "q" or the French "r", that's the general region you're aiming for)

&#12435; has different pronounciations. it can be 'mmm' or nnnn or the sound you are talking about. I can't really explain how to ponounce it when though.

 

[gerg]

&#12435; is pronounced as an uvular nasal at the end of utterances and on its own -- take an "ng" and move your tongue further back. (If you know how to pronounce the Arabic "q" or the French "r", that's the general region you're aiming for)

Wikipedia lists &#26085;&#26412; as an example, but I can't hear the difference between the final "n" in that and the "n" as pronounced in &#20808;&#29983; or&#12288;&#21453;&#23550;.

What are examples for the vowel sounds?

Edit: Actually, I can hear that the final "n" in &#26085;&#26412; isn't as vocalised as the "n" in &#20808;&#29983;, for example.

 

[bigmit3737]

What would be the words for "total debt"?

Context: My friend and I are making some bets, so I'm keeping tab of the total amount.

 

[cntr]

Hmm, can't think of any example words, but &#12435; is pronounced as a nasal "u" before any vowel, y, h, f, s, sh, and w. It's a nasal "i" instead of "u" if the previous vowel is an "i".

 

[Pre]

For someone with no knowledge of the language, what resources would you guys recommend for obtaining a grasp of elementary Japanese?

 

[gerg]

For someone with no knowledge of the language, what resources would you guys recommend for obtaining a grasp of elementary Japanese?

Hmm...

Tae Kim's Japanese Grammar Guide is my offhand grammar reference. From what I remember it's incomplete, but only towards the later, more advanced sections.

 

[Mik2121]

You guys should use this to practice Japanese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEu5gY849mY

 

[.JayZii]

I have my Japanese oral final on Thursday. It's a 10 minute conversation with my Japanese teacher and I don't really know what to expect. I've never had to hold a conversation more than a few sentences, much less with a native Japanese speaker.

 

[noirebanana]

Hmm...

Tae Kim's Japanese Grammar Guide is my offhand grammar reference. From what I remember it's incomplete, but only towards the later, more advanced sections.

Yeah, that Web site is really good. I cannot recommend it enough.

 

[louis89]

You know what, I will never forget the kanji &#21766; thanks to the OP. :3

 

[overcast]

Can somebody explain what a dakuon, handukuon, and yoon are?

 

[scottnak]

dakuon are the characters with the ten-ten's on 'em (&#12364;&#12366;&#12368;&#12370;&#12372;&#12289;&#12288;&#12400;&#12403;&#12406;&#12409;&#12412;&#12290;&#12290;&#12290;&#65289;
handakuon are the characters with the maru's on 'em (&#12401;&#12404;&#12407;&#12410;&#12413;&#65289;
yoon are the characters that combine with a &#12419;&#12288;&#12421;&#12288;&#12423;&#12288;(&#12365;&#12419;&#12288;&#12365;&#12421;&#12288;&#12365;&#12423;&#12290;&#12290;&#12290;&#65289;

 

[shanshan310]

&#12435; is pronounced as an uvular nasal at the end of utterances and on its own -- take an "ng" and move your tongue further back. (If you know how to pronounce the Arabic "q" or the French "r", that's the general region you're aiming for)

ha ha. I just choked myself trying that.

never realised it had different pronounciations... but now that i think about it i can hear n, ng and sometimes m sounds...

 

[bigmit3737]

I'm looking for something equivalent to, "Welcome to the team", when used in a jokingly manner.

For example, I did something stupid, and then my friend makes similar mistakes.


Also, I'm still looking for the word, "total debt", used to keep a tab on bets between friends.

Thank you.

 

[shanshan310]

I'm looking for something equivalent to, "Welcome to the team", when used in a jokingly manner.

For example, I did something stupid, and then my friend makes similar mistakes.


Also, I'm still looking for the word, "total debt", used to keep a tab on bets between friends.

Thank you.

Well, My &#36766;&#26360; gave me &#32047;&#31309;&#20661;&#21209; as "cumulative debt", though I'm not sure if thats what your looking for. My other guess is just &#20511;&#37329;&#12398;&#21512;&#35336; but you'll probably need someone else to clarify that, since I'm only JLPTN4 I hope that helped a little anyway...

As for the "welcome to the team" thing, I'm not too well versed in Japanese colloquialisms. I don't think I've heard the English expression before either, but I'm guessing its a bit like "join the club"?

I have my Japanese oral final on Thursday. It's a 10 minute conversation with my Japanese teacher and I don't really know what to expect. I've never had to hold a conversation more than a few sentences, much less with a native Japanese speaker.

Really I don't think you have much to worry about. Your teacher probably knows how good your Japanese is, and they'll adjust their language to a level you can understand. Just review what you've practised and you'll be fine. That's all you need for the oral ^^
I just had my first Korean oral so I'm feelin' you there. Just do it like those other conversations, I'm not sure what kind of level you're at but remember your introduction - you ALWAYS need that. Your not going to suddenly have to converse about the politics surrounding the nuclear crisis at Fukushima. The time goes really fast, and usually these orals don't last ten minutes anyway, at least in my experience.

 

[bigmit3737]

"As for the "welcome to the team" thing, I'm not too well versed in Japanese colloquialisms. I don't think I've heard the English expression before either, but I'm guessing its a bit like "join the club"?"


Yeah, "join the club".

I will look into those two words you listed above. Thank you.

 

[345triangle]

just got my application form thing for N2. don't think i have much chance of passing, but then i said the same thing about N3 in december and that went really well. so! &#38929;&#24373;&#12426;&#12414;&#12377;&#12290;

unfortunately the test is on my birthday :/

 

[cntr]

http://googlejapan.blogspot.com/2010/05/google_10.html

Google's IME was open sourced.

Well, it was nice knowing you, every other IME!

 

[Boogiepop]

Heh, did not know of this thread. Currently nearing the end of my second semester of Japanese. I've been floating through pretty well off of vocab and the like I've picked through anime/music/etc, though I've been learning plenty too. Definitely need to start studying Kanji a little extracurricularly, though, as those are really barring me from reading much of anything, seeing how I only know 100 or so.

 

[cntr]

oh yeah

Halfway through RTK1, woo.

 

[345triangle]

http://googlejapan.blogspot.com/2010/05/google_10.html

Google's IME was open sourced.

Well, it was nice knowing you, every other IME!

yeah i've been using this for a while; i mostly way prefer it over the standard mac kotoeri, but i just wish it could do shift-katakana!

 

[.JayZii]

Well now I feel silly for stressing about my oral exam, I completely aced it.

Now i just have to keep studying over summer so i don't get rusty before starting my intermediate level courses. I have heard that if you don't use it you lose it pretty quickly when it comes to Japanese. Obviously that's the case for any language that you stop using, but I've heard people feel it more so for Japanese.

 

[KtSlime]

yeah i've been using this for a while; i mostly way prefer it over the standard mac kotoeri, but i just wish it could do shift-katakana!

OS X Lion Kotoeri is pretty badass.

 

[345triangle]

how is it different in lion?

 

[KtSlime]

how is it different in lion?

It's completely reorganized and streamlined, and it is really easy to find what I want to type and check to make sure I am using the right character for what I want to convey.

 

[Angelus Errare]

It's completely reorganized and streamlined, and it is really easy to find what I want to type and check to make sure I am using the right character for what I want to convey.

Oly shit! That is actually kind of dope.

Might have to upgrade to Lion after all.

 

[345triangle]

wow, that looks awesome actually. i like the way it sorts things like name-specific characters at the bottom.

 

[shanshan310]

Does anyone know how to express "I haven't ~ Since ~"? For example "I haven't seen my family since christmas". I was thinking something like "&#23478;&#26063;&#12399;&#12463;&#12522;&#12473;&#12510;&#12473;&#12363;&#12425;&#20250;&#12387;&#12383;&#12371;&#12392;&#12364;&#12354;&#12426;&#12414;&#12379;&#12435;" but I've never heard anyone use it. Does that sound right?

 

[345triangle]

i would use &#20197;&#26469;&#12316;&#12394;&#12356;&#12290;

&#23478;&#26063;&#12399;&#12289;&#12463;&#12522;&#12473;&#12510;&#12473;&#20197;&#26469;&#19968;&#24230;&#12418;&#20250;&#12356;&#12414;&#12379;&#12435;&#12290;

 

[KtSlime]

Does anyone know how to express "I haven't ~ Since ~"? For example "I haven't seen my family since christmas". I was thinking something like "&#23478;&#26063;&#12399;&#12463;&#12522;&#12473;&#12510;&#12473;&#12363;&#12425;&#20250;&#12387;&#12383;&#12371;&#12392;&#12364;&#12354;&#12426;&#12414;&#12379;&#12435;" but I've never heard anyone use it. Does that sound right?

That could work, but how about something like this:

&#12463;&#12522;&#12473;&#12510;&#12473;&#20197;&#26469;&#12289;&#23478;&#26063;&#12395;&#12399;&#20250;&#12387;&#12390;&#12356;&#12414;&#12379;&#12435;&#12290;

Edit : I like 345triangles better.