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The Big Ass Superior Thread of Learning Japanese
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My anki revision shot up once I put the thing on my smart phone. but then again, I use a lot of public transport.
bigmit3737
Member
Thanks guys. I understand.
I need help getting my head around this:
それゆえの彼
It's the title of one of the episodes of Planetes.
Thank you.
louis89
Member
Yeah, you're right. New Year's on the other hand was awesome as fuck; was in the craziest crowd ever in Shibuya for the countdown, and then eleven of us decided on a whim to get the train down to the beach at Kamakura, chill out and watch the sunrise.Hey! Christmas is about as good or bad as you make it!
Bomber Bob
Banned
Anybody enjoying the
osechi-ryori ?
aweful
Sore yue means like "and so..." or "then there was"
I can't translate it exactly without knowing a little context...it sounds like "And then he appeared" or "And this is how it ends for him" or something like that. You don't really use that in spoken Japanese that much so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
KidA Seven
Member
I have a question. When using し and　だし to list reasons for multiple states of being (implying there are more), do you end the sentence with し/だし or do you just end it with だ(if na-adj or noun)/nothing if it's i-adj?
Edit: Thanks!
Edit: Thanks!
Maybe something like "him for that reason" or "his reasoning".
You end the sentence normally, be it i-adj, da, datta etc. It can end in -shi in some cases, but it's when you leave a sentence unfinished for the other side to finish it for themselves. E.g. declining an invitation with あしたは用事があるし、…
It's kind of flexible...if you just trail of after a "shi" then it's like ending with ellipsis "Well it was loud, and busy ..." otherwise you would say "Well it was loud, and busy, so we left" but if you end with da it would be like ending with a period.
Tell me about it. I was in Japan last 2010 and had to endure it. Zoni with yuzu is awful. How many mochi can the Japanese eat? Seriously, I'm stuffed after like 2, and the yuzu gives the whole thing an awfully bitter taste. Yuck.
What he said. It's even more flexible than that. You could very well say "da shi ne" and end the sentence right there. It works well if you're piling on what somebody said, indicating them that you know what they mean and you understand what the situation they describe is like.
I just stayed the whole night awake (it's 6:20am) and I'm going back to Osaka in a couple hours (going to the airport in 20 minutes). It will be a 3 hours long flight to Frankfurt, and from there a 11 or 12 (always forget) hours flight to Osaka. I will stay awake during the first flight and the first few hours of the second one, then go to sleep and wake up (hopefully) just as I arrive.
I will be actually missing a whole day, because my flight leaves at 9:15am of today, and arrives at 8:55am of tomorrow (including time difference, so it isn't really 24 hours in the air).
Oh well.. at least I only have to wait 2 hours at Frankfurt, and not 6 like when I came from Osaka :/
So yeah, cya guys in a ton of hours!
I will be actually missing a whole day, because my flight leaves at 9:15am of today, and arrives at 8:55am of tomorrow (including time difference, so it isn't really 24 hours in the air).
Oh well.. at least I only have to wait 2 hours at Frankfurt, and not 6 like when I came from Osaka :/
So yeah, cya guys in a ton of hours!
Bomber Bob
Banned
Thanks mik for the heads up!
lol
I was so bored yesterday and wanted to bump the thread. Plus some people might be able to use it as a guideline for how long it would take them to get to Japan!
Oh well, I'm here now (just letting you know!).
Count Dookkake
Member
Starting my first Japanese class next week. Nervous, but excited.
Bomber Bob
Banned
lol
I was so bored yesterday and wanted to bump the thread. Plus some people might be able to use it as a guideline for how long it would take them to get to Japan!
Oh well, I'm here now (just letting you know!).
Just kidding
Welcome back man!
Have fun! Why would you be nervous though?
Count Dookkake
Member
Been out of college since the late 90s.
Now I will be the old man in the class. What if my Depends leak?
With the new year started, I've been trying to make good on my resolution and have been actively working learning Japanese. I still don't really have a solid strategy in place as well as I'd like. I did as a lot of you folks have suggested, and asked for some books for Christmas. Seeing as how everyone recommends the Heisig method, I've been starting with that, and my folks actually bought me 2 of his books for me to work on. Remembering the Kana, and Remembering the Kanji.
I've started working on the Remembering the Kana book, because it just made sense to me that I should start with Hiragana. Japanese children supposedly start with this, so it just makes sense that a beginner like me should do that as well. I've been going over a lesson from the book 1 day at a time, and working hard to get the symbols of Hiragana imprinted in my head. Does this sound like a good first step?
I'm committed to devoting a part of my day every day to some form of study of Japanese. I still would greatly appreciate some advice on how to progress. I'm still not sure if starting with hiragana was the best way to go, and if it is, what I should focus on next.
One thing I haven't quite figured out how to go about myself is, once I start memorizing the symbols and can read them without guidance, what should be some tools I should look into about actually translating and understand the words I hear/read? Like I said before, I don't really have much of a strategy just yet beyond being committed. I'd like to have an idea of what direction I should go, so that I'm always progressing.
One last thing I wanna mention is that, since I've made this decision to start learning, I'm doing everything I can to stay active with it. I've often been a person who will start a project and never see it through to the end. I don't want that to happen here. I've made up a blog that no one's probably gonna read, but it's something I decided to make to help keep me active with it socially. If anyone's interesting in keeping up with my progress, here it is: http://yuripaw.blogspot.com/ Hope you don't mind me posting that here.
I've started working on the Remembering the Kana book, because it just made sense to me that I should start with Hiragana. Japanese children supposedly start with this, so it just makes sense that a beginner like me should do that as well. I've been going over a lesson from the book 1 day at a time, and working hard to get the symbols of Hiragana imprinted in my head. Does this sound like a good first step?
I'm committed to devoting a part of my day every day to some form of study of Japanese. I still would greatly appreciate some advice on how to progress. I'm still not sure if starting with hiragana was the best way to go, and if it is, what I should focus on next.
One thing I haven't quite figured out how to go about myself is, once I start memorizing the symbols and can read them without guidance, what should be some tools I should look into about actually translating and understand the words I hear/read? Like I said before, I don't really have much of a strategy just yet beyond being committed. I'd like to have an idea of what direction I should go, so that I'm always progressing.
One last thing I wanna mention is that, since I've made this decision to start learning, I'm doing everything I can to stay active with it. I've often been a person who will start a project and never see it through to the end. I don't want that to happen here. I've made up a blog that no one's probably gonna read, but it's something I decided to make to help keep me active with it socially. If anyone's interesting in keeping up with my progress, here it is: http://yuripaw.blogspot.com/ Hope you don't mind me posting that here.
Oh, I see. You don't sound that old though. Chances are other students won't mind you. Plus you're a GAFfer, you're probably cool. Just make sure you don't act like some those old farts (which you're not) who slow down classes to a crawl with their obnoxious comments and questions. I know their brains don't work as well and they've got a longer life experience than everybody else, but that doesn't give them any rights to disrupt the class and drag other down to their level.
English is not my native language: what is this "Depends" thing you're talking about?
A brand of diapers.
shanshan310
Member
Nah, you'll be fine. I was actually surprised about the number of people who didn't come straight from college (All of the men in my Korean class are over 28). If you have anything to worry about its probably getting back in the study zone, but I reckon its shouldn't be too hard.
Welcome to the club
It's cool. Older people in language classes are fine. I only ever disliked old people in my classes when they held it up, like in anth classes and they would stop the professor every 10 minutes to discuss the merits of evolution. If you don't understand the basics of evolution, and your religious beliefs interfere with your comprehension of it, what are you doing taking classes in the anth dept?
/rant
頑張って！ What text are you using?
shanshan310
Member
only older people that annoy me are the ones that relate questions they have back to their kids. "As a mother of three I'd really like to know..."
Count Dookkake
Member
Thanks for the votes of confidence, guys.
Not sure what text we are using.
Not sure what text we are using.
For those who use Anki...is there any way to get this program to stop saving my progress so much? I just simply want to use this program as flash cards that'll order the cards in a random order, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. The way it keeps track of which ones I get right and wrong, I kinda hate that. I don't want to only look at the cards i got wrong. I want to look at ALL the cards, and I don't want it to bring up the cards I got wrong first, because I'll know to expect them first. I want everything in a random order, why is that such a difficult thing for this program to do?
sasimirobot
Junior Member
this program, it doesn't like you. but because everyone learns the same way
suck it up. have you seen the book that teaches you 20000 kanzi in 4 days? that is the only way to go. forget about studying hard, make a kanzi look like "monkey work coconut", you can master this language in like 2 or 4 years.
shanshan310
Member
I couldn't figure out how to do it, so I bought a whole bunch of these flashcards and just made up my own. Ended up working out pretty well.
Are you that guy who really hates Japan and was trying to convince everyone to learn Chinese?
I'm not a big fan of Heisig either.
CharliePants
Member
Cram mode in random order may be what you want. It really isn't a very efficient way of doing things though, Anki works the way it does for a reason.
Zoe
Member
You're probably thinking of tnw.
shanshan310
Member
Count Dookkake
Member
Ever notice that the loudest guy in class is usually the dumbest?
So what are you using for class?
And yes, that tends to be the running theme. However, that sometimes pays off for them in language classes, some dumb people did very well in my Japanese department. I attribute it to having nothing between their ears and mouth.
After about a week of studying the lessons from Heisig's Remembering the Kana book, I've finally gone over all of the ひらがな symbols. I think I've done pretty good remembering them all too. Obviously I plan to continue to practice them, so as it becomes second nature to read them. I'm so happy though, I've achieved one major goal in learning this stuff already.
I probably didn't need the Heisig book for the ひらがな, but it was still a very useful approach to learning. The lessons were set up in a smart pace, and gave me good pauses between lessons so I didn't burn out. Probably gonna make katakana my next goal to learn, but I'm gonna wait a few days before I start that. I just want to be sure I've got a good grasp on the ひらがな
I probably didn't need the Heisig book for the ひらがな, but it was still a very useful approach to learning. The lessons were set up in a smart pace, and gave me good pauses between lessons so I didn't burn out. Probably gonna make katakana my next goal to learn, but I'm gonna wait a few days before I start that. I just want to be sure I've got a good grasp on the ひらがな
I don't especially agree with the Heisig's method, I find it in many ways backwards, obtuse, and unrewarding. That said, I think his 'Remembering the Kana' is one of the finest and quickest methods of acquiring that skill.
Congratulations on your accomplishments so far, keep at it!
His method in Remembering the Kana I do really like, however I do see where you might have a problem with it for the Kanji. I do have the Remembering the Kanji book as well, and I've glanced at it. While it does seem useful in learning many different symbols, I don't like the way it doesn't tell you how to say it in Japanese. Even a hiragana translation would be nice so I can at least try and pronounce it. Knowing the meaning and the symbol without knowing how to pronounce it seems kinda weird to me, and I'm hesitant about starting those lessons.
shanshan310
Member
Yeah, but don't worry cause they often drop the course once they realize you can't suddenly be fluent after a few weeks.
KidA Seven
Member
Etrian Oddity
Member
Do you guys have any good tips on improving your kanji repotoire? I'm taking Japanese 2 this semester, and kind of want to supplement my in-class learnings.
Is it basically just repetition and finding ways to make sentences with new kanji??
Is it basically just repetition and finding ways to make sentences with new kanji??
Bomber Bob
Banned
Hi guys, a question for you:
how do you deal with lost of focus and interest when you study japanese?
I feel like I should really study japanese but since I have almost no connection with japanese people / culture I have on way to actually use what I have learn.
how do you deal with lost of focus and interest when you study japanese?
I feel like I should really study japanese but since I have almost no connection with japanese people / culture I have on way to actually use what I have learn.
Pretty much, compound words (熟語
, and sentences. Read something light. Write them out, pick up a game like 漢検DS3デラックス or カキトリくん something like that. For quick review when I'm feeling lazy and want to keep my recognition level up, I do a round or two in KanjiBox.You mix it up. Read a book, a manga, a website, watch a show, a drama, anime, variety, listen to some japanese music, learn some song lyrics, play a game, read a wikipedia article, etc. Just use it, it doesn't matter how you use it, just as long as you keep at it.
Count Dookkake
Member
Smiles and Cries
Member
you guys helped me before I just want to know if I got this right?
ハイチのスーパーフラット
as Haitian Superflat
??
Nico Nico seem to have translated it that way and google translate says the same but I am not sure if that is the proper way to write it
thanks
ハイチのスーパーフラット
as Haitian Superflat
??
Nico Nico seem to have translated it that way and google translate says the same but I am not sure if that is the proper way to write it
thanks
shanshan310
Member
Seems right to me. What's a superflat though?
Smiles and Cries
Member
Murakami's
Bomber Bob
Banned
why they banned Shannon?
Smiles and Cries
Member
thanks shanshan310 and Kilrogg
Arctic Feather
Member
Anyone else here using Anki?
Is there a working plugin to show example sentences?
I've tried example_sentences and Tatoeba, but they don't seem to have been updated for the latest versions of Anki and so I can't get them to work. Are there any plugins that you guys manage to use successfully?
Thanks
EDIT: Of course just after I posted that, I managed to get the example_sentences plugin to work! It just wasn't finding any sentences for the words I was testing it with.
Is there a working plugin to show example sentences?
I've tried example_sentences and Tatoeba, but they don't seem to have been updated for the latest versions of Anki and so I can't get them to work. Are there any plugins that you guys manage to use successfully?
Thanks
EDIT: Of course just after I posted that, I managed to get the example_sentences plugin to work! It just wasn't finding any sentences for the words I was testing it with.
Count Dookkake
Member
Got my first test coming up on Monday. Will cover greetings, counting and telling time.
KidA Seven
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