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shantyman said:
I said iLife probably would be included! I said no iLife and iWorks.
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I said iLife probably would be included! I said no iLife and iWorks.
tedtropy said:It certainly doesn't make me angry. More competition is always a good thing, I just think there's better existing devices in the arena that Apple will now no doubt dominate. Namely, devices like the Creative MuVo Micro N200. MP3 playback, FM tuner, voice/FM recording, line-in encoding and...gasp, a backlit LCD. Not to mention a 15 hour battery life. Yeah, you'll pay a little more for it, but it does the idea right. It's called paying for quality, come no, Apple fans live by that matra.
i think a more salient comparison would be with the Muvo TX FM line, as it's a usb thumbdrive with a glued on lcd screen and detachable battery pack. it's basically what the iPod Shuffle should've been if Apple weren't so damn innovative.
i bought my 256mb version for 80 bucks on black friday. has an FM tuner, microphone/radio recording, backlit screen and 15 hours o'battery life with one AAA battery. USB 2.0 interface to boot.
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shantyman said:
I only played with Aoi, you know that. You do remember repeatedly getting whupped by my Aoi, don't ya?
shantyman said:
It looks good, but that's hardly a surprise. Not anything beyond some of the specialized mini ITX computer boxes from Japan, Taiwan, and Korea though. Check out the Soldams and even some of the Shuttles for comparo.
The problems is the G4. With the G5 (as in, the current PowerMac CPU), it would have made for a true successor to the Cube.
scorcho said:i think a more salient comparison would be with the Muvo TX FM line, as it's a usb thumbdrive with a glued on lcd screen and detachable battery pack. it's basically what the iPod Shuffle should've been if Apple weren't so damn innovative.
i bought my 256mb version for 80 bucks on black friday. has an FM tuner, microphone/radio recording, backlit screen and 15 hours o'battery life with one AAA battery. USB 2.0 interface to boot.
Yep, or that. The Muvos are truly amazing little devices. Meanwhile Apple basically just mimicks what others have already done, rips off the screen, and suddenly it's brilliant.
Shogmaster
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Timbuktu said:
That's a way skewed perspective on some of those. Must be the goggles.
FortNinety
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Timbuktu said:
Christ do I ever hate the overly cute pro Apple drivel.
Hey, I personally don't like Windows, but I don't have to look like a whiney loser when trying to needlessly bash it.
Phoenix
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nitewulf said:
Every product in the world that wants to export Word format exports the well understood and document Word95 format. Most compatibility problems with documents come from using features that didn't exist in Word95 and therefore couldn't be exported.
My corporate culture supports the "export it to PDF or web" format. But that's just us, while Time Warner is a huge company, we aren't the only folks in the world.... just a lot of them
Phoenix
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gohepcat said:
If you're not a Windows centric organization (and there is no way we could be) and have considerable number of Macs, Linux boxes, Solaris and other varied *nix worksations around Office simply cannot be your format of choice because of such poor support on the other platforms that your workforce is using. At best you export it to Word95, but more often than not you're exporting .pdf because you know that EVERYONE can see it.
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-jinx- said:
Woohoo! I have a groupie! :lol
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xsarien said:You know, oddly enough I'd say he's been remarkably restrained in this thread. Nothing bad to say about the Mac Mini, nothing good to say either, but still...
Hey lay off! He's my groupie! Get yer own.
iPod shuffle UK/Ireland pricing
512MB = £69/99
1GB = £99/149
Very competitive for this side of the pond. Flash Muvo and iriver players cost as much for only half the capacity. Prices are going to be slashed! Yep, no screen, no FM radio, no voice recorder but the brand name makes up for all this and more with most consumers.
The pricing really negates the point of using a lot of computing devices for mp3 playback, be that a palm, laptop or media player. A 512MB memory stick costs £69.99, a 512MB iPod shuffle costs £69.00. No brainer.
512MB = £69/99
1GB = £99/149
Very competitive for this side of the pond. Flash Muvo and iriver players cost as much for only half the capacity. Prices are going to be slashed! Yep, no screen, no FM radio, no voice recorder but the brand name makes up for all this and more with most consumers.
The pricing really negates the point of using a lot of computing devices for mp3 playback, be that a palm, laptop or media player. A 512MB memory stick costs £69.99, a 512MB iPod shuffle costs £69.00. No brainer.
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Can anyone else watch the stream at all? It stops like every 3 seconds with me, I just gave up after a while.
Fresh Prince
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You have no taste....in anything.Matlock said:
-jinx- said:
I believe Shog may be part of this group: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/AppleHaters.gif
Shogmaster
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I hate because I care, kids. I hate because I care. :lol
cja said:
Very good point for Europeans. I have a 512MB memory stick for my PSP, but so far its crammed with videos (thats what PSP is good for). So it'd be just as easy to drop one of these in for music only for the same price as another memory stick - and its no size at all (wonders if the headphones are removable to use for PSP as well)
Regardless of what you think about the iPod shuffle, it's a starting point for Apple's introduction to flash-based players. While other companies have had versions for years, and have improved on these versions, apple has just put this thing out. They'll come out with other flash-based players, and people will rave about them, and the improvements they've made from the shuffle.
I still think it's a good first step and lots of people will get into this market picking up a shuffle.
With regards to the Mini, I don't understand how anyone can bash this thing? I think it's a brilliant move by Apple to market to PC users who have curiously thought about checking out an Apple, but were always put off by the price and commitment to owning an entirely different OS than they're used to. Now they can get the Mini which is a self contained system from which you can learn all about the Mac OS and maybe even start to like it.
I've been a PC user all my life, have never even turned on a Mac before in my life, and I'm seriously thinking of picking up a Mini just for the hell of it cause it's so cheap and I want to know more about what Apple is all about. I think this thing has the potential to be huge.
I still think it's a good first step and lots of people will get into this market picking up a shuffle.
With regards to the Mini, I don't understand how anyone can bash this thing? I think it's a brilliant move by Apple to market to PC users who have curiously thought about checking out an Apple, but were always put off by the price and commitment to owning an entirely different OS than they're used to. Now they can get the Mini which is a self contained system from which you can learn all about the Mac OS and maybe even start to like it.
I've been a PC user all my life, have never even turned on a Mac before in my life, and I'm seriously thinking of picking up a Mini just for the hell of it cause it's so cheap and I want to know more about what Apple is all about. I think this thing has the potential to be huge.
SteveMeister
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Shogmaster said:
Shog, it wouldn't be an Apple thread without you
Ignatz Mouse
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I have no desire to buy an iShuffle, but I do not at all understand the hating.
It's a gaddamned budget product, eeking into the under-$100 slot to be an impulse purchase. It's not that much more expensive than the memory stick, and it plays music.
Hell yes, spending a little more, you can get a better player (that's larger) in other flash players. And spending more still, you can get a much better price/storage ratio in an even larger box with a micro-player, or spend more yet, and get an even better price/storgae ratio in a full-sized media player.
It's a niche Apple is filling, and it's pretty fucking smart to do so. The iShuffle will probably be a hit-- so what's wrong with it? If people want it, Apple did their job.
(Now, the iPod Mini I really don't understand the success of-- but that's another topic)
It's a gaddamned budget product, eeking into the under-$100 slot to be an impulse purchase. It's not that much more expensive than the memory stick, and it plays music.
Hell yes, spending a little more, you can get a better player (that's larger) in other flash players. And spending more still, you can get a much better price/storage ratio in an even larger box with a micro-player, or spend more yet, and get an even better price/storgae ratio in a full-sized media player.
It's a niche Apple is filling, and it's pretty fucking smart to do so. The iShuffle will probably be a hit-- so what's wrong with it? If people want it, Apple did their job.
(Now, the iPod Mini I really don't understand the success of-- but that's another topic)
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rastex said:
Nonononono!
(trembles)
tedtropy said:
The last 2 sentences? I quoted your entire post.
Difficult to tell when someone is joking or serious especially in a forum full of Apple lovers and haters. I'm neither but was just making the point that the most successful person doesn't always equate to the best person.
Manics said:
But at the end of the day, which of the two ridiculously rich men is the richest?
I was hoping that sentence would've denoted the futility of the debates people have between the two. No big deal. Both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have been more successful in life than any of us will ever be, they just excel in different arenas.
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First iMac Mini deals
http://www.macmall.com
iMac Mini
+ free keyboard
+ free mouse
+ free shipping
+ free headphones
+ free earbuds
+ free wireless G router
* photo printer for <$10
MacMall has a long history of giving away loads of stuff when they start their mac sales and I expect that in their next deal revision they'll do the 512MB bump for free (with $25 installation fee) as they do with all their other machines.
http://www.macmall.com
iMac Mini
+ free keyboard
+ free mouse
+ free shipping
+ free headphones
+ free earbuds
+ free wireless G router
* photo printer for <$10
MacMall has a long history of giving away loads of stuff when they start their mac sales and I expect that in their next deal revision they'll do the 512MB bump for free (with $25 installation fee) as they do with all their other machines.
So I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet:
http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
Is there ANYTHING about the Mac Mini that's user-serviceable? Must the towers be the only Apples you can actually open? As much as I'd like a MM with a gig of memory, I'm not paying Apple $400 for the part and labor for an upgrade that could, between Crucial or Kingston, cost half of that.
http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
Is there ANYTHING about the Mac Mini that's user-serviceable? Must the towers be the only Apples you can actually open? As much as I'd like a MM with a gig of memory, I'm not paying Apple $400 for the part and labor for an upgrade that could, between Crucial or Kingston, cost half of that.
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Phoenix said:
And if you let me know when that happens, I'll be quite indebted. ^_^
xsarien said:
I'm guessing its using a laptop form-factor hard drive, although from what I've read on Apple's site, it claims its only upgradeable to 80GB. That may be increased with a firmware update, but obviously this machine was not designed to be all that expandable internally.
tedtropy said:
Well, neither is a laptop, and even those have memory expansions. Apple shows the thing "naked" on their website, it looks like a perfectly standard, 184-pin memory module, sitting right on the outside of the "cage". I refuse to believe that there isn't a way for someone to just pop this sucker open, hell, people figured out how to do it with iPods.
(I mean, Jesus, I don't even think the gumdrop iMacs needed to be taken in to have the memory installed.)
Someone tell me I'm horribly misinformed, I'd love a MM.
Willco said:
Yeah, 256MB definitely ain't cutting it these days. I'd say the video adapter is a big bottleneck, but this is by no means intended to be a gaming machine. With a little more HID capacity and more RAM, this would be a sweet little machine for doing everything but gaming and advanced video/audio editing.
If Apple could make this sucker $500 flat, with 512MB of ram, and a fricken' keyboard and mouse included, I'd be especially impressed,
SteveMeister
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Willco said:
iLife 05 (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand), AppleWorks, Quicken 2005 for Mac, Nanosaur 2, Marble Blast Gold and Apple Hardware Test.
It's not much. But as far as jumping from PC to Mac goes, it will be cheaper. iWork is basically Apple's answer to Powerpoint and Word, and it's going to be $75. Compare that to a new Mac license for office, which runs about $400.
SteveMeister said:
Yes, but the trick is getting inside the Mini to install it.
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xsarien said:
People upgrade Powerbooks themselves -- they'll upgrade the Mac mini as well.
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