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trikster40
Member
Game was on my radar, but I always have a horrible feeling with these “spiritual successors.”
Most of them are living in the past and don’t breakaway enough from the game they’re trying to be.
I’ll pick it up on a sale, but def not spending $70 on it.
Most of them are living in the past and don’t breakaway enough from the game they’re trying to be.
I’ll pick it up on a sale, but def not spending $70 on it.
All I can say is gamers f*cked up this time. The sales should have been there. This was a hell of a game, especially considering it was the first game from a new dev team. A sequel would have been bolder, the gameplay would have been more fleshed out. It already looked and sounding stellar. The tone and atmosphere was fantastic. But now a sequel will never see the light of day because the sales aren’t there.
It’s a damn shame. The Callisto Protocol could have been one hell of a franchise.
It’s a damn shame. The Callisto Protocol could have been one hell of a franchise.
jigglet
Banned
I don't understand why a publisher that made its mark in a huge GaaS multiplayer game pivoted to making a niche single player horror game. Whether the game was good or not, it was never a right fit for the company. IMO even if this was a 10/10 game and was highly praised, it would have sold meh (relative to PUBG's success) and would have been axed eventually for not being aligned to the company's strategy. This game / franchise never had a future IMO under this publisher.
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FeastYoEyes
Member
I bought day one but can't bring myself to finish it. I'm at the first repeat boss fight and it's just lost me. Between the combat being unfun and the lack of enemy variety, it's a huge letdown.
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Need to say that all the numbers in the article are analysts guessing. Some of them really hard to believe, especially budget figure. Also producers should be really out of touch with reality to expect 5 million of initial sales, long established horror IP's don't sell that much.
Astral Dog
Member
They wanted this to sell the same as Resident Evil does
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It's all in the wrist
Member
Pity. I'm absolutely going to play this game at some point, but it never seemed like a must have.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This game didn’t cost $160 million. Please don’t fall for this bs nonsense.
Games dev costs have increased in the last ten years but they have not gone up 8x. Uncharted and tlou used to cost $20 million ten years ago. The costs have maybe doubled or tripled, but 8x??? No. Not for a linear game like this made by a brand new studio that didn’t even scale up until its last year.
This is probably $40 million max with another $30-40 million in marketing costs.
Games dev costs have increased in the last ten years but they have not gone up 8x. Uncharted and tlou used to cost $20 million ten years ago. The costs have maybe doubled or tripled, but 8x??? No. Not for a linear game like this made by a brand new studio that didn’t even scale up until its last year.
This is probably $40 million max with another $30-40 million in marketing costs.
Thank you man, I've read this like 200 million, won and my mind was about to explode.
lukilladog
Member
It seems like it got bad rep from it's gameplay design choices (Everybody on twitch had something negative to say about it), launch day performance on PC was a disaster, plus it was evident that the Xbox version was subpar compared to the ps5 one. I hope EA takes a look at Dead Space price tag, which is ridiculous.
Agent_Nobody
Member
Chris Roberts can.
Can you imagine a video game actually costing that much, fuck me I'm dying.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
$160M????
I guess that includes marketing?
So maybe $80M dev budget?
I guess that includes marketing?
So maybe $80M dev budget?
VolticArchangel
Member
Jesus, this has to include marketing, right? This is straight up some Sony first party budget.
Kupfer
Member
The fact that the review embargo was only lifted on release day was no coincidence. Everyone involved knew that the game was mediocre, and yet they acted as if they had developed the bringer of salvation.
I will eventually buy the game for 10 or 20 euros and play it, if you know what you are getting into, it is certainly fun,.
But these misleading, calculating and deceitful advertising promises and the inflated hype around the game are reasons why I have no sympathy for the disappointment of those behind the expected sales figures.
I will eventually buy the game for 10 or 20 euros and play it, if you know what you are getting into, it is certainly fun,.
But these misleading, calculating and deceitful advertising promises and the inflated hype around the game are reasons why I have no sympathy for the disappointment of those behind the expected sales figures.
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Sleepwalker
Member
2 million + is actually a good number for a new IP, specially horror.... I guess they overshot their expectations by a lot.
Shame, the game is not perfect but I enjoyed my time with it and will checkout the DLC, a sequel could've been great if it addressed some problems. Don't think it happens now.
Shame, the game is not perfect but I enjoyed my time with it and will checkout the DLC, a sequel could've been great if it addressed some problems. Don't think it happens now.
Halo is Back
Member
Represent.
Banned
This is not good. Single player new AAA IP and it fails miserably. Publishers will use it as an excuse to put our more GAAS shit for kids and colorful ass FPS games.
Shadowstar39
Member
Whats with all the hate on this around here? You guys act like it's the worst thing ever. It's not that bad. Yet gaas Shit gets a pass. We need to support single player games, and realize launch issues sometimes happen. Im having a great time with the game. Why does everything need to be open world now? There is room for both
semiconscious
Member
but, them graphics, man! them graphics!...
Shadowstar39
Member
My thoughts exactly. Bye bye realistic games. Hello shit. And watch people like me not buy anything. As I don't play multiplayer, woke garbage or colorful neon fps crap. All because people follow group think and "influencers" like sheep.
The game got way more hate then it deserved. Too many people forget what games were before open world and they won't except a linear game.
Could it of been better, sure, but its not as bad as people moan about.
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semiconscious
Member
c'mon, now - we need to support all single player games? & 'launch issues' sometimes happen? well, yeah, they do. but of course, many will tell you that 'launch issues' weren't the only issues with callisto project. not by a long shot...
Rendered Tangent
Banned
The Dead Space remake is coming soon, and Callisto Protocol was only ever a pretender.
Represent.
Banned
Dead Space is a lazy, last gen as fuck looking cash grab.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
It had potential, but SDS just didn't deliver and whether or not they'll be able to do the oppisite with a sequel, is under a serious question now due to overall reception, terrible PC port and not so great sales. I mean, 5 million was out of question for a new IP, I don't know what they were thinking, sound like SQE-like stupidity to me. They can probably sell 5 million eventually after a bunch of years during sales, but that won't help them to at least start thinking about the possibility of a sequel. We'll see, I hope SDS will have an opportunity to make another game and make it better, cuz what they were after is worth a second chance, there's great ideas in the first game already, waiting to be fully realized.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
This is what happens when you make a AA game with AAAA budget.
Don't invest so much in visuals if you don't have mechanics/ level design that's truly groundbreaking.
Don't invest so much in visuals if you don't have mechanics/ level design that's truly groundbreaking.
Justin9mm
Member
I completed it and imo it was as bad. I enjoyed aspects of it but doesn't stop it from being shit overall
Can’t blame this on professional reviewers if it truly is only at 61% from user reviews on Steam.
To be fair, they consistently use the word ‘underperformed’. So even if it were profitable at 2 million units sold, it seriously underperformed if they projected significantly more sales.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Well its mostly based on my own experience playing this game, it has very obvious and major flaws but I didn't hated the game as much as others did.
Chukhopops
Member
Yeah this will be on a sub service (if not both) by the end of Q2, which is good since I wanted to try it.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Well ya, I mean they had such a long tack record of trying game pass and then it not working out, so they had a lot of first hand experience..........oh wait, it was their first game.......
And how did they spend 160 million to make this game if the average AAA game is 60-80 million?
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Seriously! And they couldve done so much more with the setting, but all they settled on was a vents and corridor shooter with very little innovation or interesting ideas.
It just has so many baffling design and gameplay choices. Shitty checkpoint system, major performance issues (initially) on PC, very close-ended (vents ahoy!) design, sudden spikes in difficulty due to the combat system and so on.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Performance fixes aside on PC, I just don't see how they can make it happen without some serious overhaul of the whole game design-wise, adding more levels, expanding scope etc. Krafton will not go for it after what happened.
Comparison with NMS is not accurate. They simply added features and it worked cuz the scope of the game is massive and there's an enormous room for improvement still. TCP is a significantly scaled down from original Dead Space in terms of design and there's almost no room for significant improvement to do a NMS-like comeback. Story DLC cab be better, but how long will it be, 2-2,5 hours long at best and how will it make original game better? Idk, I just don't see how SDS can turn things around in a significant way without making a much better sequel.
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Starbuck2907
Member
Does the $160 million include marketing budget? If it does, prob $60 million to $80 million (maybe more) was marketing expenses.
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_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
Do it. It's badass.
They're adding ng+ next month too. And the way the game ends sets up the story dlc very well. The game does not deserve all the hate it's gotten.
I think so, no way dev costs themselves are 160 million.
JonSnowball
Member
$160M? The fuck? Were they having money fights in arenas full of high-end hooker crowds? What the teste twisting christ?!
StealthGoblin
Banned
I think it goes to show that it is best to fix performance before release. PlayStation marketed this to hell and back and it looks like it hasn’t helped.
I do hope that reviewers dock all games for it if they’ve dinged this game for it (rightly). If Starfield, for examples releases with issues, I’m willing to bet that it wouldn’t end up in the 70s.
I also think more publications should do a re-review of games and scores updated. Days Gone for example got dinged early on party because of features and performance lacking - but Bend did a great job adding to it and improving.
I do hope that reviewers dock all games for it if they’ve dinged this game for it (rightly). If Starfield, for examples releases with issues, I’m willing to bet that it wouldn’t end up in the 70s.
I also think more publications should do a re-review of games and scores updated. Days Gone for example got dinged early on party because of features and performance lacking - but Bend did a great job adding to it and improving.
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