It invalidates the point that the image was born in the sexist mind of CDPRs employee.
The Chinese Room accuses CD Projekt Red of making sexist games
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It invalidates the point that the image was born in the sexist mind of CDPRs employee.
Cabbagehead
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What makes it sexist in the first place? what is sexist in this context? especially without context in this instant.
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I expected better from someone that gets drive-bys like walking simulator and "non-games", if there is anyone that should know how receiving something like that is shit, it should be them.
Virtual conversation. Some threads need a few pages before that can happen, I was guessing this is one of them.
I always read the OP tho, fwiiw.
Cabbagehead
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Shit does that mean that all sexual images of man and woman, in atypical poses and dress is sexist? like when that conversations starts and ends. What's considered all right and not all right given the context being portrayed, plus that will butt heads with creativity in general.
activatethesmile
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Also, I know that one might be annoyed if their favorite game/developer is being slighted by someone but geeeezzzzzzzzzz some of you can be really nasty in your remarks attacking the Chinese Room.
This I do agree with. It would be better if it was a discussion rather than "walking simulator" jokes
Whether it's "objectively" sexist or not is entirely irrelevant: anyone in a marketing department would know that there would be people who would find it sexist, even if the grand beholder wouldn't. That's the controversy that would be stirred up (and it was and now is again) and is good for promotion.
I specifically cited that CDPR has been dealing with these modern culture war issues with all of their games going back to TW1. First with the cards, then the Playboy spread for W2 (as well as general sexuality), then with Ciri's peekaboo costuming and the all-white-people-only world of the W3.
In my statement, I'm not taking a side on any of the controversies, I'm just saying that CDPR has been dealing with this since their infancy and their general MO is to say nothing. Which has been working for them because people will argue for them based on their own political leanings.
Valkyr1983
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A lot of developers I would take the criticism with some weight, but I just can't take them seriously, gone to the rapture was so so bad and here they are calling out a factually superior Dev in a childish tweet. Just reeks of a want for attention
Like, I'm sorry rapture didn't sell a ton but don't take that out on CDPR
Audioboxer
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Probably for the best for themselves. They just continue making the entertainment they want and not get all harassed at the internet debate/rage.
But the thing is, there will ALWAYS be someone that finds something sexist to a degree, that's why the term "objective" is important, because subjective standards will NEVER be unified.
Cabbagehead
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What's courting dandelion? Never heard this term.
...joke post?
Opinions, sure, but 'factually superior' is pushing it, there are quite a few facts out there that contradict that.
Scientist Supreme!
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Sure, they still aproved and supported it though.
Ask the people who made the claim but having the only we've seen from this game look like that and in that position, it's not hard to see where that comment comes from.
RipperGrim
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Lol Dandelion is a character in The Witcher.
It's the name of a thought-experiment about principles of AI. Basically challenging the notion that "following a fixed set of instructions" could be regarded as having a "mind".
Audioboxer
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In a world where simply wearing a bikini or crop top can be called sexist, this is true.
The credibility of the argument shouldn't be based on the quality of the games they make. I agree on the bolded part though.
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PodcastFips
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Audioboxer
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My name at the weekend is Dandelion, so I think GAF is referring to all those who try vigorously to court me on Saturday and Sundays.
The name apparently comes from a thought experiment about computer AI.
Cabbagehead
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Correct that means everything is sexist or racist or homophobic. Fuck the context and objectivity. The creative sphere would be a beak canvas and super tame, if everything fell into a certain label and is lambasted for using any of those themes. Where does it stop?
old manatee
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Someday Chinese Room will make a game ambitious enough to include people, and then we'll see how they handle it.
OrlanisWorks
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Eight pages on, TCR succeeded in stirring.
Good conversation to have. I just wish they who tweeted had contributed instead of simply sparking a storm and bailing.
No comment on the imagery. Seems fine.
Good conversation to have. I just wish they who tweeted had contributed instead of simply sparking a storm and bailing.
No comment on the imagery. Seems fine.
Can't even be tame, because then the sexist argue abt comes from covering up too much
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Audioboxer
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But people don't do sexy things. We have 6 billion on earth down to magic, not intercourse and sexual drive.
Relative morality gets messy when you get bogged down in minutiae. Some people are bothered by this stuff. Some people aren't.
Some people think that every little bit mounts an impressive hill that creates a structure that certain people have to overcome to move at the same pace as those that don't have to climb that hill (or a differently shaped hill). The refuse we decide we should throw on that hill is a fight worth having.
If anything positive comes out of this thread, I hope it's a neologism of "Courting Dandelion".
Dandelion is a male character in the Witcher games.
Literally was typed while I was replying to that response (on mobile)
I've been through the entire thread, he was the first
dat poor timing feels bad bro PodcastFips
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Heh. That's some food for thought actually.
lmao, these kinds of posts are the best: "Hey I didn't like your game so fuck you, you don't have the right to have opinions! Also your game is shit and this is remark is supposed to be relevant somewhat!"
These threads do bring out the best in people alright.
Audioboxer
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I defend their right to do it. It's not causing any harm or hurting anyone.
The ESRB agrees with me as well, and so do other ratings boards. Or it wouldn't have received an adult rating and been cleared for release.
Personal opinion on how crass they are withstanding, but like any other adult medium using sex appeal, it's the buyers wallet that votes for them, not censorship.
I don't know how some of you posters watch Game of Thrones or any HBO series for this matter. Or read books. If you're triggered at nude pictures on cards it must be a hell of a life to navigate through in the real world.
Linkstrikesback
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Dandelion is a character in the witcher srries and my phone autocorrected the D to a lowercase. Sorry.
Because exploitation of women is totally not a thing, right? As long as nobody complains, yeah?
Narrative and story do not exist in a vacuum. Considering all the bullshit women put up with, in this industry especially but also in general, it's a bit sad that CDPR would go with an image like that to promote their game.
Cabbagehead
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Can't even be tame, because then the sexist argue abt comes from covering up too much
No middle ground. Might as well have a police force stopping people from using anything remotely preserved as sexist or misogynistic. Or any other accusatory word in the works of humanity.
Dandelion is a male bard character in the games
Lmao I just came back to say I figured that out from subsequent posts. whoops. Thank you.
Thanks for the clarification all, and np at all of course Link. Sorry to bring things off-topic.
swearing-circle
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This is a good post that everyone seems to be ignoring.
Tal Shiar Agent
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So does Dragon Age but that isn't sexist.
Lol no worries!
People do seem to need others to think and behave the way they do: liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, marvel fans, DC fans, climate change enthsiatist, skeptics, etc etc. I don't really understand it myself.
lol. No.
The Witcher books are incredibly pulpy novels with a lot of wish fulfilment. Unless you are comparing it to the HBO show, then they might be on a similar level.
Audioboxer
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Of course it is, but if it's a women who wants to do modelling and genuinely does (hasn't been forced) then no its not exploitation. I'm guessing the whole porn industry is simply exploitation to you, not accepting that some women and men want to work in porn. Yes others may well be forced or misguided but the whole scenario cannot be painted with the one brush hence how I say consensual.
Like your last part, let's not paint all women as delicate flowers who cannot stand up for themselves or make their own decisions. That is offensive.
I think his point was that portraying a time period that was rife wis sexism is not sexist.
Cabbagehead
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They certainly do if they're completely ignored out right. Anyone can take anything out of context and run with it to fit their agenda. On principal alone.
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