The colors of this photo will appear different to everyone. I think?

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Obviously I should have been more specific in my wording.

But the point remains. What is in the pictured dress is clearly gold. Even if the real dress is black. The colour in the picture is gold/brown/yellowish/whatever.

People have been posting the A/B Checkerboard thing, which is also irrelevant. If I run my eye dropper over the A and B, they're both the same shade of grey. If you run your eye dropper over the dress, it's 100% not black.

edit: Lednerg's edited pic is now black/blue. But it needed to be heavily edited to make it black/blue.

Right, which is what this debate has come down to, the wording of the question.

If it's, what is the actual color of the dress? The answer is black and blue.

If it's, what are the actual color values in the digital picture of the dress. The answer is blue and gold/brown.

There are no other answers.

There are still some people who think the real life actual dress is white and gold though and that's just lunacy.
 
I get why this works and generally how eyes take in color and what not.

But i just had the color change on me and its still fucking crazy regardless.
 
Ha, looking at the picture again, I don't know how I ever saw white. The lighting in the picture is fucked, but I can tell now that the dress is blue and black. Looking at the lower part of the dress helps.
 
Oh my god, this thread is going to be 50 pages by tomorrow isn't it.

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"White" and gold for me.

"White" actually is a light blue, but to my eyes it looks like the dress was white, and the blue hue is caused by the way the photo was taken.

Perhaps I am wrong about the dresses actual colors, but going into photoshop it's easy to see the photos colors are light blue and gold.

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Are people saying Blue and Black able to see the that image is light blue/gold, but assume the dress itself would be blue black? Or do they actually see blue/black?
 
Looking at it up close on my monitor it seems kinda blueish and gold. But as I got up to leave and looked back at it at a distance it was totally black and blue.
 
So my brain sees a RAW file and yours see's o JPEG then sort of?

Like I see the raw source while yours has to process it then?

Only way I can interpret what you're saying.

Basically the best way to describe this is that the brain has filters on post processing data and they sometimes screw up in autocalibration.
 
Saw White and gold, scrolled down to read some replies, scrolled back up, it was black and blue... thought it was a GIF messing with me at first, but it's a jpg, and the metadata seems to confirm that. what the hell?
 
I see black/blue. I showed my parents and not only do they both see white/gold, but my father claims he can see horse's heads on it. I mean, that's taking it to a whole new level.
 
Right, which is what this debate has come down to, the wording of the question.

If it's, what is the actual color of the dress? The answer is black and blue.

If it's, what are the actual color values in the digital picture of the dress. The answer is blue and gold/brown.

There are no other answers.

There are still some people who think the real life actual dress is white and gold though and that's just lunacy.

Then we agree. Good.
 
Right, which is what this debate has come down to, the wording of the question.

If it's, what is the actual color of the dress? The answer is black and blue.

If it's, what are the actual color values in the digital picture of the dress. The answer is blue and gold/brown.

There are no other answers.

There are still some people who think the real life actual dress is white and gold though and that's just lunacy.

But people look at the digital picture and apparently see black. That's what I can't understand.
 
So my brain sees a RAW file and yours see's o JPEG then sort of?

Like I see the raw source while yours has to process it then?

Only way I can interpret what you're saying.

Something like that.

My walls are white, and yet they look like this because of the current lighting in my room ( edit: and the apparently shittastic camera on my phone ;] ):



I guess you would see this as light brown/beige, whereas I interpret this as a white wall (in this case, because I know that it's a white wall - and in the case of the dress, it's just a guess that my brain automatically makes about the true color of the fabric, accounting for lighting/shading).
 
Here's a more relevant GAF question.

If a raw texture data is 0, 0, 0 RGB (e.g. completely black) but it's in a game on Xbox One with severe crushed blacks, is it actually black, or a dark gray?

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But people look at the digital picture and apparently see black. That's what I can't understand.

Well that's when your brain starts applying it's knowledge of lighting and the context of the image.

If you perceive the dress as being covered in a shadow, the blue looks white and the gold looks gold.

If you perceive the dress as being hit by indoor lighting, the gold looks black and blue looks blue.

When you look at it purely objectively like the color picker, yeah it's blue and gold, but that's not how our brains tend to work.


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Scrolling down I see it as white/gold. Scrolling back up I can see a light blue tinge but the gold is still gold.I blame the lighting for the effect. It's definitely not a blue as the actual blue version on the website.
 
I want to help you guys a little. As someone who has seen it both ways....

Actual image is blue and brown.

When you see White and Gold, the blue is very white

When you see Blue and Black, the Brown is very black

Keep at it guys, stop looking at the edited photos. I have noticed that after them I tend to see Blue and Black more. White and Gold happens only when I stop looking at the image after a while. And if I look at the original too much, I see the actual colours of the pixels.
 
Here's a more relevant GAF question.

If a raw texture data is 0, 0, 0 RGB (e.g. completely black) but it's in a game on Xbox One with severe crushed blacks, is it actually black, or a dark gray?

????????????????

It would be black.

Crushed blacks mean that the grey would show as black.

If you are talking about the screenshots, it turns black to grey but this is a silly issu that doesn't happen while you play the game.
 
I see light blue and gold, but if I just look at the bottom half I see the blue and black.

So it's very weird, as I move the picture up and down my screen the color changes.

WTF is going on.
 
Well that's when your brain starts applying it's knowledge of lighting and the context of the image.

If you perceive the dress as being covered in a shadow, the blue looks white and the gold looks gold.

If you perceive the dress as being hit by indoor lighting, the gold looks black and blue looks blue.

When you look at it purely objectively like the color picker, yeah it's blue and gold, but that's not how our brains tend to work.


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Great explanation.

I guess the super bright environment in the background of the dress photo makes my brain assume what is shown in the right side image that you posted.

edit: Additionally, according to how my brain works, your left image seems unrealistic to me, because I have a hard time imagining a black surface or fabric reflecting that much golden light, whereas it's much easier for me to believe that a white fabric is giving off some blue radiosity or is simply under a shadow.
 
It would be black.

Crushed blacks mean that the grey would show as black.

If you are talking about the screenshots, it turns black to grey but this is a silly issu that doesn't happen while you play the game.

It's the exact same as the discussion being presented here.

Are we talking about the colors of the original dress, or the absolute, objective RGB values being presented on the screen including all processing (crushed blacks in the case of xbone and overexposure in the case of OP's picture), or the ability for a person to interpret the color 'correctly' despite the objective errors in the processing?

It's not a jab at xbone or exposure or either black/gold party. Just another way of putting it which people on GAF are maybe a little more familiar with.

edit: And derp, I actually meant the other way round. Is a dark gray texture black, or dark gray with crushed blacks. I should stop posting on GAF at 3AM.
 
after having played driveclub for about an hour straight, i'm seeing blue and black

though it's slowly turning to the original light blue and gold

craaazy
 
It's actually a finely crafted chainmail dress made of titanium, platinum and adamantine. The cloth over top is just to give a lived-in look, but the metals underneath cause the irregularities in the lighting, hence the ever changing perception of it from person to person. Creepers.

/studies
 
Great explanation.

I guess the super bright environment in the background of the dress photo makes my brain assume what is shown in the right side image that you posted.

Yup, that's exactly how my brain assumed it was at first too. It clearly looked like a white dress under a shadow or some shade. When I finally saw it the other way my head exploded.
 
It's the exact same as the discussion being presented here.

Are we talking about the colors of the original dress, or the absolute, objective RGB values being presented on the screen including all processing (crushed blacks in the case of xbone and overexposure in the case of OP's picture), or the ability for a person to interpret the color 'correctly' despite the objective errors in the processing?

It's not a jab at xbone or exposure or either black/gold party. Just another way of putting it which people on GAF are maybe a little more familiar with.

edit: And derp, I actually meant the other way round. Is a dark gray texture black, or dark gray with crushed blacks. I should stop posting on GAF at 3AM.

No no no no no, no one interprets crushed blacks as normal. You completely misunderstand what that is.

All of the discussion from the 50 pages of this thread I have been here has been:

- I see White Gold!
- I see Blue Black!
- Whut?
- How can you see black?
- How can you see white?
- The actual dress IRL is Blue Black, see?
- Um no, the actual colours in the image are Light Blue and Brown, see?
- Hey guys, it changed to Blue Black!
- Hey guys, it changed to White Gold!

The past 24 pages has been people coming into the thread coming with a mixture of the above. I have a notepad list of everyone who is arguing it cannot be seen the other way and checking to see if they see it before the thread gets locked.

I plan on keeping the names so that in a couple weeks (maybe just one) I will PM them and ask if it ever changed.

It's annoying that the OP wasn't updated to show that it was an illusion and it changes for people. That story that certain people's eyes are worse if they see White Gold, or average if they see it switch is complete BS.

Guys, stop trying to understand the science behind it if you want to see the other way around. Just check back at the image after some time. When it changes for me I am not forcing it. Someone earlier in this thread gave a good tip which is to see the White/Blue as the other colour.
 
Saw it in gold white. But after I came back to the thread and scrolled from down to top I suddenly saw black and blue. Strange stuff...
 
When I first opened the thread it was clearly white and gold. After reading the first page of responses and returning to the top, it was clearly black and blue.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
 
Holy shit. Someone switched the picture in the OP!
I saw white/gold now I see black/blue.

But seriously the "only lower half" thing works...
 
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