The Dark Knight Rises: Anne Hathaway is Selina Kyle, Tom Hardy is Bane

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I guess this is why Nolan told Bale to bulk up considerably for this movie. Wasn't there a report a few weeks ago about Bale trying to get in the best shape of his life for this one?
 
thetrin said:
After Bronson, everyone should consider Tom Hardy the perfect Bane.
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Seriously, say what you will about the movie (I like it personally) but the man can pull off Bane. It's not even a question.
 
At least Nolan's Batman films have their first good female lead. Not that I dislike Maggie Gyllenhaal but she didn't really do much for the second film (not much she could do anyways being recast and all).

Love Hathaway but still, Michelle Pfeiffer 4life.
 
UltimaPooh said:
My ability to like Ledger as the Joker was in no way shape or form decided by the fact that he died. As sad as it might have been to lose a talented actor.
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Yeah, this whole argument completely avoids the reaction to the trailer before Heath died.
 
Nolan loves james bond. Little pieces of that was in inception. I thought he just killllled it(in a good way) with the joke bank hiest scene. With catwoman, shiiit, i can only imagine whats gonna go down! some sort of crazy museum/art house burglary on a new age tech robbery way.
 
Yeh Michelle Pfeiffer for life. Was hoping Naomi Watts would take the mantle after her, but eh. I guess Hathaway's a decent alternative.
 
Maggie Gyllenhaal can act quite well, but for some reason, she decided not to in TDK. Blows my mind. She's also quite pretty in a number of movies, but she was NOT pretty in that film.
 
Kurtofan said:
Bane is probably one of the most interesting Batman villain out there.
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Oh I know. But lots of people believe in the fallacy that if it's a boring character, then it will be boring in the movie too, despite the fact that Nolan is going to reinvent the character.

I mean, there are even people that think Bane having a British accent (if he does) really matters for that character.
 
Solo said:
Yeah, this strikes me as the reverse TDK at this stage of the game - TDK's character choices were spot on but the casting seemed strange (of course Ledger ended up being the best part of TDK), and now I think TDKR's casting is great, but I'm not really pumped for either character.
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I blame the treatment both characters have gotten in the past.

Catwoman in Batman Returns: maybe magic cat lady who hates men and has a raggedy costume. As Selina, just some weird lady.

Catwoman in Catwoman: I never saw this movie. sorry.

Bane in Batman and Robin: stupid brute and slave to Ivy
Bane in Akham Asylum: stupid brute and slave to that one woman

Cartoons have been better to Catwoman, but Bane was a stupid dumb asshole. Maybe the only time he had decent treatment was in Batman Beyond where he was just an old man with a fucked up body because of all the drugs he abused.
 
LaserBuddha said:
I mean, there are even people that think Bane having a British accent (if he does) really matters for that character.
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I was only kidding, I really don't care. I'm sure there will be people that do care, but no one gives a shit what they think.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Not sure if serious, but Memento has a terrific screenplay and is probably the only indisputably great Nolan film. I've not seen Following, but Inception DOES have a thoroughly mediocre screenplay.
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I was being facetious. Not to mention he's partnered with Jonathan on these films and The Prestige.

I think Inception was more ambitious originally, but he dulled it into those two clear halves in order to be more easily processed during that 6 or so month period he polished it up for Warner Bros. He said the screenplay had been languishing in his desk for most of the decade anyways, so it was clearly his baby project.

Anyways, I read the screenplay, and I thought it worked as well as it did on the screen.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Maggie Gyllenhaal can act quite well, but for some reason, she decided not to in TDK. Blows my mind. She's also quite pretty in a number of movies, but she was NOT pretty in that film.
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It's like she didn't show up. Half of that is on her, of course. The other half has to be poor casting and direction.
 
Guevara said:
Health Ledger as the Joker was ok but not memorable. If he were alive today, no one would care strongly about his performance and he would not have won any awards for it.
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I always hate this argument. "Heath Ledger died so he won the awards".

Me enjoying his interpretation of the character has nothing to do with him dying. Judging purely from what he did in the movie, he made a completely unique version of the joker that was darker and more fitting to the nolanverse. All his gimmicks and one-liners stay with you even after the credits rolled.

I think Ledger's joker is so far the best superhero comic book villan we've seen on screen, followed by Molina's Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. Everyone else (including Jack Nicholson's hammy joker) are leagues behind.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Maggie Gyllenhaal can act quite well, but for some reason, she decided not to in TDK. Blows my mind. She's also quite pretty in a number of movies, but she was NOT pretty in that film.
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The only movie she looks good in IMO is Stranger Than Fiction.
 
Guevara said:
Health Ledger as the Joker was ok but not memorable. If he were alive today, no one would care strongly about his performance and he would not have won any awards for it.
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I know you're probably jes' trolling, but really? Really? While I think the Joker-love might not have had quite the same frenzy if Ledger hadn't died, he was by far the best part of that movie. He completely owned the screen every time he was on. From his weird little tics to the moments of balls-out violence, he was stupendous.
 
I can't believe people actually don't like the Hathaway choice, that's a great choice in my mind. Always good to have a women in a movie who can actually act and be sexy at the same time.
 
Guevara said:
It's like she didn't show up. Half of that is on her, of course. The other half has to be poor casting and direction.
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She barely had any screentime to make an impression, but she pulled off her own Rachel decently. She was much more assertive and individual in TDK than in BB.

It was just that final scene was sort of...silly.
 
LaserBuddha said:
I mean, there are even people that think Bane having a British accent (if he does) really matters for that character.
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Of course it's important, it's a comic book movie!

You should visit the Spider-Man thread. Oh God! His eyes are too small!
 
dmshaposv said:
I think Ledger's joker is so far the best superhero comic book villan we've seen on screen, followed by Molina's Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. Everyone else (including Jack Nicholson's hammy joker) are leagues behind.
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Ian Mckellen as Magneto is up there too.
 
While Spiderman 2 is the best comic book film period, Willem Dafoe as the Goblin > Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, who was good but not as memorable or attuned to the slightly campy wavelength of the film.
 
Guevara said:
It's like she didn't show up. Half of that is on her, of course. The other half has to be poor casting and direction.
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She didn't really have anything to work with, either. She was decent, but the performance was not memorable, the character was not memorable, and the costume department should have been kicked in its collective face for not knowing how to dress her.

Though my real beef with that film was Eckhardt, who I usually like alright, but... I gotta say, I think he was terrible. Just terrible. I don't even want to rewatch his scenes in the film.
 
Guevara said:
It's like she didn't show up. Half of that is on her, of course. The other half has to be poor casting and direction.
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Yeah, here performance was very "phoned in", especially against Ledger and Eckhart.

My favorite casting of the entire arc will always be Michael Caine. He makes everything awesome.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
While Spiderman 2 is the best comic book film period, Willem Dafoe as the Goblin > Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, who was good but not as memorable or attuned to the slightly campy wavelength of the film.
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Agreed. The only problem with Dafoe's Goblin was his costume. If it wasn't for that everybody would talking about him still.


megashock5 said:
My favorite casting of the entire arc will always be Michael Caine. He makes everything awesome.
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Definitely. Of the main arc's casting (Bale, Oldman, Freeman and Caine) he's the most entertaining of the bunch. And also I think it's kind of impossible to hate Michael Caine. I've seen differentiating opinions on the other 3 though.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Tom Hardy is a very good actor and should do well. Anne Hathaway is a very good actress and should do well.

Christopher Nolan is a very mediocre writer when left to his own devices, so I hope that the script goes through multiple checks before anything is filmed.

Also, regarding the multiple threads thing - it's partly the bandwidth thing and partly the fact that GAF has waaaaay more lurkers and casual viewers than it does members; the new news = new thread thing is an extension of that, and even if it's more inconvenient for us posters, it's the only thing that really "works."

Edit: So much for "villains that haven't been in movies before" though.
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Bane has never been in a Batman movie.
 
.GqueB. said:
Bane has never been in a Batman movie.
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Edit: Eckhart and Oldman in The Dark Knight < Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight.
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I do think Oldman is great, but Eckhart's performance only gets worse every time I see the film (although really the writing is to blame there). Ledger is incredible as Joker. His performance is what makes that movie. The film will be remembered mostly for his role, which it should be.

As for this news I think Hathaway is a great actress. I find her to be a two face when it comes to her looks, and I don't think I ever found her sexy, but whatever. My hesitation lies with how poorly woman have been written in Nolan's Batman films.

Hardy should be great, and I'm very interested to see how Nolan characterizes Bane.
 
effzee said:
Wait nothing about the story line has been confirmed. Just know Bane is in it, not that he will break Bat's back, and we will see Azrael.

This movie is supposed to be the finale of sorts for Nolan's Batman. I am hoping this movie is less about Catwom and Bane and more about Bruce.
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I know that nothing about the story has been confirmed. However, we do know that Nolan's movies have always focused on Batman/Bruce's limits, and TDK especially showed just how mentally and physically exhausting his one-man war on crime has become. Bruce is bruised all over at the start of TDK, and we see him breathing haggardly as he prepares to land on Scarecrow's van.

"Batman has no limits."

Clearly that isn't true. And Bane is a perfect character to prove it.
 
hey_monkey said:
She didn't really have anything to work with, either. She was decent, but the performance was not memorable, the character was not memorable, and the costume department should have been kicked in its collective face for not knowing how to dress her.
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The Rachel character was written pretty terribly to begin with. Female leads in comic book movies are either bland or unappealing in my opinion.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Catwoman and Bane? meh

I won't doubt Nolan but these are some rather boring villains.
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I take it you don't read the comics?

The chemistry between Bruce/Selina and Batman/Catwoman is fantastic in most of the comics. I suggest you read The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Hush to get a good taste.

Bane is Batman's ultimate foe next to Joker. He figures out who Batman really is just by watching Bruce Wayne's movements. In Knightfall, he stalks Batman from the shadows, watching him slowly break down do to all his crimefighting (Bane unleashed everyone at Arkham, btw). Not only is Bane as intelligent as Batman, but he's stronger. He breaks Batman's back. Actually, of all Batman's villians, I believe he fears Bane the most just because of how he was the only villain to truly "break" him.

And when it all comes down to it, Batman needs someone to have an action-packed fist-fight. In the Nolan movies, aside from Ras Al Ghul, Batman hasn't really had anyone to fight that wasn't completely one-sided in Batman's favor.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
While Spiderman 2 is the best comic book film period, Willem Dafoe as the Goblin > Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, who was good but not as memorable or attuned to the slightly campy wavelength of the film.
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I don't think Spiderman 2 was as campy as you make it out to be. It had camp but was more serious in tone than the first. Dafoe was too over-the-top even for the first movie and didn't make him feel like a legitimate threat. Molina's more grounded turn made for a more formidable enemy.
 
GitarooMan said:
I can't believe people actually don't like the Hathaway choice, that's a great choice in my mind. Always good to have a women in a movie who can actually act and be sexy at the same time.
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She can "Act" but most of the roles people have seen her in are apologetic, unconfident and all together prissy. Its very hard to imagine taking on this role.

But as always... in Nolan we trust.
 
Also,

dmshaposv said:
I always hate this argument. "Heath Ledger died so he won the awards".

Me enjoying his interpretation of the character has nothing to do with him dying. Judging purely from what he did in the movie, he made a completely unique version of the joker that was darker and more fitting to the nolanverse. All his gimmicks and one-liners stay with you even after the credits rolled.

I think Ledger's joker is so far the best superhero comic book villan we've seen on screen, followed by Molina's Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. Everyone else (including Jack Nicholson's hammy joker) are leagues behind.
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So would you say that Ledger had the best Joker of all-time?
 
dmshaposv said:
I always hate this argument. "Heath Ledger died so he won the awards".

Me enjoying his interpretation of the character has nothing to do with him dying. Judging purely from what he did in the movie, he made a completely unique version of the joker that was darker and more fitting to the nolanverse. All his gimmicks and one-liners stay with you even after the credits rolled.

I think Ledger's joker is so far the best superhero comic book villan we've seen on screen, followed by Molina's Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. Everyone else (including Jack Nicholson's hammy joker) are leagues behind.
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he was excellent, but let's be real: the academy rarely if ever gives awards to people playing superhero/villan roles. it just doesn't happen.
 
It will be interesting to see where Nolan goes with these characters to end his part in this franchise. Maybe Bane will break Batman at the end? (WB lols at that theory...) But I am of the camp that believes Nolan hasn't made a bad movie, and certainly never an uninteresting one to watch, so I'm more than ready to see what he does here.

I have to say, people are allowed to have their opinions, but some of the stuff I've seen in this thread just absolutely baffles me at times. I don't know if people seriously believe it or if they've taken a contrarian point of view simply to extend discussion and have convinced themselves they are right. I mean, Heath Ledger wasn't that good as the Joker? What the fuck?
 
dmshaposv said:
I always hate this argument. "Heath Ledger died so he won the awards".

Me enjoying his interpretation of the character has nothing to do with him dying. Judging purely from what he did in the movie, he made a completely unique version of the joker that was darker and more fitting to the nolanverse. All his gimmicks and one-liners stay with you even after the credits rolled.

I think Ledger's joker is so far the best superhero comic book villan we've seen on screen, followed by Molina's Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. Everyone else (including Jack Nicholson's hammy joker) are leagues behind.
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I think Ian should get some credit for his portrayal of Magneto.
 
hey_monkey said:
She didn't really have anything to work with, either. She was decent, but the performance was not memorable, the character was not memorable, and the costume department should have been kicked in its collective face for not knowing how to dress her.

Though my real beef with that film was Eckhardt, who I usually like alright, but... I gotta say, I think he was terrible. Just terrible. I don't even want to rewatch his scenes in the film.
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oh my god...typical GAF, Shredding to pieces great movies one at a time.

I agree though, maggie is just not hot. I thought I heard she was either pregnant during shooting or just had a baby, but still...not hot.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
he was excellent, but let's be real: the academy rarely if ever gives awards to people playing superhero/villan roles. it just doesn't happen.
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But you see, Ledger's Joker works more in the sphere of psychopath character rather than "supervillan".

The academy loves these kind of characters - Travis Bickle, Anton chigurh, e.t.c.

Edit: Also my bad for not mentioning Ian Mckellan as Magneto. He is up there too.
 
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