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[effzee]

As for how big he should be lets keep in mind Nolan and co. will take liberties to make him fit into whatever story/theme they have in mind. And even the promo picture could be taken at an angle that makes him look bigger than he is.

At least the viral marketing has started. Should make the wait a bit easier.

 

[Dacon]

Again we are arguing different things. Batman is not real and I know its fantasy. But within fantasy there are different levels of make belief. Batman falls closer in the real of action movies starring heroes who are not super human, mutants, aliens, or a product of some experiment gone wrong. In that sense its closer to someone like Bond how has next to impossible gadgets, superior intellect, and above average fighting skills. Same goes for the villains he faces.

Except Batman takes down scores of people armed with guns all completely unarmed save for a handful of gadgets. That bit is a little unbelievable, and yeah it's common in "realistic" action films but I feel the same regarding those. I just don't care because it's escapist fantasy.

Yes in the comics there is a lot of cross over, but Batman by himself is free from those elements. And if you are asking which Batman I prefer, its the grounded in reality one. That goes for comics and movies.

In the Nolan films maybe, in the comics he is by no means free of supernatural or science fiction influence even in his own books.

Nolan's Batman is superhuman in that he has infinite amounts of money, superior intellect, superior fighting skills, the police commissioner on his side, and the advantage of pulling of the impossible in a movie setting. Unrealistic is different than pure fantasy. Unrealistic could be easily applied to all action movies like Bourne, Bond, Die Hard, or whatever else. They are still grounded in reality and don't operate with mystical, supernatural, or magical elements.

Bond, Die Hard, and most action films are power fantasies. Modern fantasy has evolved beyond being defined as just supernatural or magical wouldn't you say? People are throwing different kinds of genres and themes to make films, books, and comics more fantastical than ever.

Unless I'm thinking of something else, fantasy isn't confined to just magic and the supernatural necessarily. Let me see if I can find a definition that properly demonstrates what I'm thinking of.

fan·ta·sy   
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noun, plural -sies, verb, -sied, -sy·ing.
–noun
1.
imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.
2.
the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.
3.
a mental image, especially when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.

Ok, that's more of what I'm thinking of.

The whole point was to counter a poser who claimed Batman is just as much fantasy as every other comic book movie out. It's just not true. Even the characters that would lend themselves to that have been altered to fit in more.

Ok? Why do you keep bringing up this over person? I approached you for conversation regarding your points, I don't care about the other guy. Of course Nolan's movies aren't as fantastical as other super hero films.

EDIT: More on point, I like the photos of Hardy on set. I think I'd prefer to see him without the bone mask.

 

[red13th]

Meh, I prefer Tom Hardy were cast as another character, not Bane.
So much wasted hotness.

 

[Dacon]

Meh, I prefer Tom Hardy were cast as another character, not Bane.
So much wasted hotness.

I honestly thought they were gonna go with a hitman character like Deadshot or KGBeast.

Bane does seem like a strange choice at this junction.

 

[brandonh83]

Meh, I prefer Tom Hardy were cast as another character, not Bane.
So much wasted hotness.

All this knowledge, more than a year away from the film.

I seriously doubt Nolan's material is going to "waste" Hardy as Bane. It'll be what it needs to be. Also Hardy isn't some phenomenal actor; this role seems to be suited enough for him.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Meh, I prefer Tom Hardy were cast as another character, not Bane.
So much wasted hotness.

Egghead?

 

[RustyNails]

The whole point was to counter a poser who claimed Batman is just as much fantasy as every other comic book movie out. It's just not true. Even the characters that would lend themselves to that have been altered to fit in more.

It's a common defense mechanism among people who like other superheroes but feel that those superheroes don't get as much attention as Batman. Too bad. They don't realize what sets Batman apart and have a crossover appeal.

Except Batman takes down scores of people armed with guns all completely unarmed save for a handful of gadgets. That bit is a little unbelievable, and yeah it's common in "realistic" action films but I feel the same regarding those. I just don't care because it's escapist fantasy.

Bond, Die Hard, and most action films are power fantasies. Modern fantasy has evolved beyond being defined as just supernatural or magical wouldn't you say? People are throwing different kinds of genres and themes to make films, books, and comics more fantastical than ever.

...I think you should just stop.

 

[Dacon]

...I think you should just stop.

I see no valid reason to do so. Either tell me where I'm wrong or just ignore me and move on please.

 

["God's Beard!"]

After working out for years with bodybuilders... I kind of see the appeal. You need to be tall as fuck, tho, otherwise you are going to look like a stump.

?

 

[red13th]

All this knowledge, more than a year away from the film.

I seriously doubt Nolan's material is going to "waste" Hardy as Bane. It'll be what it needs to be. Also Hardy isn't some phenomenal actor; this role seems to be suited enough for him.

What? I was referring to Tom Hardy's looks being underutilized in his Bane role.

 

[RustyNails]

I see no valid reason to do so. Either tell me where I'm wrong or just ignore me and move on please.

Bourne and Die Hard are not fantasies, despite what you think. You are going by the dictionary definition of Fantasy and painting everything by it. Well with that brush I can paint pretty much any fiction work as fantasy. In Cinema, fantasy does not describe realistic action flicks such as Bond or Bourne movies. Yes there's a certain sense of escapism and overindulgence involved, but that does not a fantasy make. I'm usually very tolerant of people on their definitions of what constitutes certain categories in cinema: minimalist, noir, new age, etc. I don't argue because those movies are defined by porous boundaries and I'm quite wary of being labeled as a cinema snob or film critic elitist douche, whatever. But when you say something like Bond 22 is a fantasy movie, it's completely wrong and I have to call a spade a spade.

 

[MrHicks]

Bourne and Die Hard are not fantasies, despite what you think. You are going by the dictionary definition of Fantasy and painting everything by it. Well with that brush I can paint pretty much any fiction work as fantasy. In Cinema, fantasy does not describe realistic action flicks such as Bond or Bourne movies. Yes there's a certain sense of escapism and overindulgence involved, but that does not a fantasy make. I'm usually very tolerant of people on their definitions of what constitutes certain categories in cinema: minimalist, noir, new age, etc. I don't argue because those movies are defined by porous boundaries and I'm quite wary of being labeled as a cinema snob or film critic elitist douche, whatever. But when you say something like Bond 22 is a fantasy movie, it's completely wrong and I have to call a spade a spade.

i agree with this fine gentleman

 

[q_q]

He is definitely not the second coming, but I think everyone likes him (and JGL) because they have a very like-able screen presence. Their both not great actors, but their definitely fun to watch perform.

Yeah you should watch some of JGL's indie films he made before Inception and 500 Days of Summer. If you're going to try and deny he's a great actor after watching Brick and Mysterious Skin then I don't know what to say.

 

[Dacon]

Bourne and Die Hard are not fantasies, despite what you think. You are going by the dictionary definition of Fantasy and painting everything by it. Well with that brush I can paint pretty much any fiction work as fantasy. In Cinema, fantasy does not describe realistic action flicks such as Bond or Bourne movies. Yes there's a certain sense of escapism and overindulgence involved, but that does not a fantasy make. I'm usually very tolerant of people on their definitions of what constitutes certain categories in cinema: minimalist, noir, new age, etc. I don't argue because those movies are defined by porous boundaries and I'm quite wary of being labeled as a cinema snob or film critic elitist douche, whatever. But when you say something like Bond 22 is a fantasy movie, it's completely wrong and I have to call a spade a spade.

Ok, that's fine and all.

But they're still fantasies by my count, not in the strict Cinema sense. Of course I'm not going by the book definition of the fantasy genre of fiction either. I'm simply referring to the fact that these films are power fantasies that stretch the limits of the imagination of what's possible in reality.

I also specifically did not refer to Bourne as fantasy, note I left it out of that post entirely. It most definitely does not demonstrate any elements that stretch believability to new heights. Often times Bourne does not have the overwhelming advantage in situations, and rarely comes out of a serious encounter unscathed. He's a very humanized protagonist and I like that. Hell I wouldn't really refer to Bourne as an "action movie" because there is so much more to the films than the few action scenes. Aren't the films more thriller than anything?

Also, when I referred to Bond and Die Hard, I'm referring to the more over the top iterations of the franchises. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace(Bond 22 hasn't even been released yet has it?) are definitely more down to earth, especially the original Die Hard. So yeah, I was being a little unfair referring to the films so broadly, and for that I apologize.

 

[brandonh83]

What? I was referring to Tom Hardy's looks being underutilized in his Bane role.

So you're saying that because you find Tom Hardy to be a hot guy, that he should be playing a... hot guy character?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I've seen one frame, so I can only assume he's being underutilized.

 

[DMczaf]

I've seen one frame, so I can only assume he's being underutilized.

Hey, if I can't decide that another character would be better for TDKR without knowing anything about the story, then let me decide that an actor is being underutilized based on one photo done a month ago during a promotional photo shoot.

 

[faceless007]

"Power fantasy" is a well-understood and uncontroversial term in media studies and has nothing to do with the genre label "fantasy." I'm surprised anybody would confuse the two.

 

[Dacon]

"Power fantasy" is a well-understood and uncontroversial term in media studies and has nothing to do with the genre label "fantasy." I'm surprised anybody would confuse the two.

I didn't.

Power fantasies are specifically when scenarios where people generally vent or go apeshit with no actual consequence to real life right?

 

[faceless007]

I know, I wasn't referring to you.

 

[styl3s]

I can't believe all the hate and doubt, everyone and their mother said heath was a horrible pick for joker and looked what happened, ending up being one of the best if not best live jokers and put on one of the best performances.

Wait till you see it before you judge, we are only seeing early shots, he might bulk up more for later shooting, regardless i like nolans grounded in reality villains, i dont want someone who has 90" arms and looks like they are on a steroid IV 24/7, that's just ridiculous.

 

[Dacon]

I know, I wasn't referring to you.

Oh, sorry. Durrrr

I get that I'm not being exactly articulate in what I'm trying to say. I didn't get much sleep last night and it's probably affection my posts.

Maybe I should stop as the gentleman advised earlier

 

[q_q]

I can't believe all the hate and doubt, everyone and their mother said heath was a horrible pick for joker and looked what happened, ending up being one of the best if not best live jokers and put on one of the best performances.

Wait till you see it before you judge, we are only seeing early shots, he might bulk up more for later shooting, regardless i like nolans grounded in reality villains, i dont want someone who has 90" arms and looks like they are on a steroid IV 24/7, that's just ridiculous.

 

[effzee]

Ok, that's fine and all.

But they're still fantasies by my count, not in the strict Cinema sense. Of course I'm not going by the book definition of the fantasy genre of fiction either. I'm simply referring to the fact that these films are power fantasies that stretch the limits of the imagination of what's possible in reality.

I also specifically did not refer to Bourne as fantasy, note I left it out of that post entirely. It most definitely does not demonstrate any elements that stretch believability to new heights. Often times Bourne does not have the overwhelming advantage in situations, and rarely comes out of a serious encounter unscathed. He's a very humanized protagonist and I like that. Hell I wouldn't really refer to Bourne as an "action movie" because there is so much more to the films than the few action scenes. Aren't the films more thriller than anything?

Also, when I referred to Bond and Die Hard, I'm referring to the more over the top iterations of the franchises. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace(Bond 22 hasn't even been released yet has it?) are definitely more down to earth, especially the original Die Hard. So yeah, I was being a little unfair referring to the films so broadly, and for that I apologize.

By those definitions you can brush anything under fantasy just as long as you think they are. Bourne is more grounded in reality than Bond, obviously, but its still an action movie. And Bourne pulls off plenty of the impossible even though it is more "realistic" than Bond.

Fast and the Furious are all action movies. They do the impossible all the time. It is not fantasy.

When I think of fantasy, and what most people think, are movies like LOTR.

When I think of action movies I think of Bourne, Bond, MI, Die Hard.

Batman is in its own genre. The comic book movies. But there is a wide range of styles, themes, and levels of fantasies in comic book movies. Batman is closer to an action movie than it is to a movie with mutants, aliens, or freak powers from spider bites. And I don't even say this in an elitist manner to say Batman > other comic book characters. It is more about what sets him apart from Superman.

 

[Dacon]

By those definitions you can brush anything under fantasy just as long as you think they are. Bourne is more grounded in reality than Bond, obviously, but its still an action movie. And Bourne pulls off plenty of the impossible even though it is more "realistic" than Bond.

What impossible feats has Bourne done in the films? I still don't see the bourne films as action films. They're a lot more cerebral and the focus isn't really on the action but the character and his struggle.

No, not anything can be brushed under fantasy by that definition since not all films and fiction feature pulling off ridiculous stunts that are completely unreal. Which is what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to these clearly in terms of the fantastical and how they push the boundaries of realism to the point to where it's no longer realistic.

When I think of fantasy, and what most people think, are movies like LOTR.

When I think of action movies I think of Bourne, Bond, MI, Die Hard.

Batman is in its own genre.

What? Um. Ok then.

I think I'll leave off at that.

 

[effzee]

What impossible feats has Bourne done in the films? I still don't see the bourne films as action films. They're a lot more cerebral and the focus isn't really on the action but the character and his struggle.

No, not anything can be brushed under fantasy by that definition since not all films and fiction feature pulling off ridiculous stunts that are completely unreal. Which is what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to these clearly in terms of the fantastical and how they push the boundaries of realism to the point to where it's no longer realistic.

When I think of fantasy, and what most people think, are movies like LOTR.

When I think of action movies I think of Bourne, Bond, MI, Die Hard.



What? Um. Ok then.

I think I'll leave off at that.

Bourne is always involved in impossible chases and fights and he always survives. Escapes fun fire.

How in the world is Bourne not an action movie? Are you seriously joking? Just cause its more cerebral doesn't mean its not an action movie, just a different type.

And since you only quoted a part of what I said I will repost it and bold the part you should read and not just single one part.

Batman is in its own genre. The comic book movies. But there is a wide range of styles, themes, and levels of fantasies in comic book movies. Batman is closer to an action movie than it is to a movie with mutants, aliens, or freak powers from spider bites. And I don't even say this in an elitist manner to say Batman > other comic book characters. It is more about what sets him apart from Superman.

 

[Dacon]

EDIT: Screw it, this is getting ridiculous.

Let's talk about how sexy Tom is.

 

[Milchjon]

Do they seriously just take out all Tom's tattoos in post? That seems like a nightmare.

Haha, I was actually asking myself the same question. Which is kinda sad.
We've seen so much of CG effects that we can't even imagine any other way to do simple stuff like make up...

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Is it actually confirmed they just CG'd out his tattoos? Because I really thnik $5 worth of makeup could cover all that up.

 

[wenis]

Is it actually confirmed they just CG'd out his tattoos? Because I really thnik $5 worth of makeup could cover all that up.

Why would they CG it? I'm pretty sure any studio house that has a single brain in it would realize that make up would solve their issues...

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Why would they CG it? I'm pretty sure any studio house that has a single brain in it would realize that make up would solve their issues...

Yea, I figured as much, but some people in this thread seem to believe it out of nowhere.

 

[Guzim]

Is it actually confirmed they just CG'd out his tattoos? Because I really thnik $5 worth of makeup could cover all that up.

Nolan is going to blow them up.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Nolan is going to blow them up.

Cover them in vests.


Bane will be head to toe in vests in this movie and it will not be explained or questioned.

 

[wenis]

Yea, I figured as much, but some people in this thread seem to believe it out of nowhere.

They're idiots. The only person I could ever imagine demanding someone use CG to remove tattoo's from an actors body is Michael Bay and that's mostly because he's Michael Bay, the guy who thinks he knows everything.

 

[Jarmel]

Why not keep them?

 

[DMczaf]

Nolan is going to blow them up.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I HAVE TO SAVE DENT!!!

 

[Dacon]

Why not keep them?

That's what I was thinking. But he doesn't have them in the boneface pic.

Is there official confirmation that the character in that pic is Bane? Just wondering.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Needs more Luchador mask.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Wait is someone arguing that the Batman movies are realistic or something?

I mean even leaving aside the campy older ones and the highly implausible action scenes in all action and superhero movies and the comics where there is like magic and superscience and shit, in Batman Begins we had the ancient conspiracy that destroys empires and infiltrated Gotham, the crazy fear gas stuff that somehow kills people from FEAR because YOUR MIND CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH (as opposed to because it's toxic, lol) and the giant microwave emitter that superheats water in milliseconds but is completely non-lethal to humans somehow. The Dark Knight was far more grounded so people tend to forget the loopy shit that went on in the first film. That said we had the stupid aircraft stunt in China (and that smuggler's plane that didn't get intercepted by the Chinese airforce because something something) and let's not forget the cream of the crop, the ridiculous system that he installed that turns every single phone in a whole city into a network of sonar machines and voice recognition devices, even though there's no way they could have had the hardware or software for that built into every cell phone in the city, nor gained control over all the phones, nor done so without completely disrupting the network with insane amounts of high fidelity data hogging 100% of network bandwidth for the time he was using it.

OH and before I forget, the rebuilding a bullet from fragments to lift a fingerprint, LOL.

 

[Satch]

I can't believe there are people in here that think Catwoman can't be pulled off.

What about her is too fantastical to fit well in the Nolanverse? She wears a black leather jumpsuit with some black combat boots. Is it the whip? The ears?

 

[BannedEpisode]

Very excited. Hardy is a good actor.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I can't believe there are people in here that think Catwoman can't be pulled off.

What about her is too fantastical to fit well in the Nolanverse? She wears a black leather jumpsuit with some black combat boots. Is it the whip? The ears?

I don't think its that it's too fantastical. It's that its too campy. Yes you can argue that we now fully accept a billionaire that dresses as a bat and fights crime. But that's because the first film allowed us the time to understand his reasoning behind it, so it comes across as something plausible within the confines of the narrative.

The amount of narrative time it would take for most people to buy into Catwoman would be more time taken away from

Spoiler

Thomas!

Wayne and that is why people are hesitant I'm guessing.

 

[Pau]

I can't believe there are people in here that think Catwoman can't be pulled off.

What about her is too fantastical to fit well in the Nolanverse? She wears a black leather jumpsuit with some black combat boots. Is it the whip? The ears?

This is a Batman movie. We can't have people running around with pointy ears. That wouldn't be realistic!

Bane looks good. Not that we can see much, but I'm glad he has a mask.

 

[Dacon]

I can't believe there are people in here that think Catwoman can't be pulled off.

What about her is too fantastical to fit well in the Nolanverse? She wears a black leather jumpsuit with some black combat boots. Is it the whip? The ears?

I love you adam hughes art avatar.

Yeah I don't get it either. She's on of the less over the top villains imo. At least when we're not talking about personality

 

[Expendable.]

RUMOR: The Dark Knight Rises Teaser To Appear With Harry Potter 7: Part 2?

Though sourced yet again from the double-dealing Internet Movie Database (IMDB), a recent post suggest "something" regarding Christopher Nolan's much-awaited film The Dark Knight Rises, plausible due to Warner Bros. previous marketing methods.

I am a manager of a cinema. Today we got a list of upcoming trailers delivered to us and the 'Dark Knight Rises' teaser is listed to be with Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 on July 15th.


What makes this plausible: Not to mention it's near TDKR's release date, but a year prior, which seems to be a marketing method itself. Well, back in May 2007, Ain't It Cool News received word that the official teaser for The Dark Knight (2008) was set to appear with Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. With this leaked, Warner apparently decided to instead use The Simpson Movie to have the teaser, which leaked online immediately.

 

[ezekial45]

Awesome! I hope it's something like the Batman Begins teaser, and not the TDK one. Y'know, with actual footage, and not some graphic with voice overs in the background.

 

[Guzim]

 

[DMczaf]

Awesome! I hope it's something like the Batman Begins teaser, and not the TDK one. Y'know, with actual footage, and not some graphic with voice overs in the background.

Why do you need footage? At the end of the day, its a teaser thats more than a year before the movie comes out. They don't even need to do a teaser trailer for this, they have the hype already.

 

[Guzim]

Why do you need footage? At the end of the day, its a teaser thats more than a year before the movie comes out. They don't even need to do a teaser trailer for this, they have the hype already.

"Why do we fall Master Wayne?"
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

There's your teaser.