The Dark Knight Rises | First Look at Bane (Tom Hardy)

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The Chef said:
Picture isnt sitting well with me. He better not be doing some "Hollywood" workout regime.
Bane should not look like this:


Bane needs to look like this:

Minus the frosted tips.

Still, in Nolan we trust.
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Hopefully we don't get either... It's Tom Hardy, odds are he'll look something like he did in 'Bronson'... maybe a bit bulkier in muscle mass, but not cut like some 'roid popping freak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpe2_fsqD8 (NSFW-ish... greased up naked Tom Hardy)
 
Spike Spiegel said:
but not cut like some 'roid popping freak.
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But that's what Bane was.

The super steroid was meant to give him an edge over an opponent he knew he couldn't beat in a fair fight.
 
Bane is a horrible 90s villain. I'm sure they will make it work but they really should have went with a classic villain like Riddler (genius psychopath that leaves his riddles at the scenes of his crimes) or Penguin (mob boss with an office filled with birds.)
 
Dacon said:
But that's what Bane was.

The super steroid was meant to give him an edge over an opponent he knew he couldn't beat in a fair fight.
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Let me elaborate -- when I say "cut like some 'roid popping freak" I'm referring to this look:

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This is the general look of a professional bodybuilder in competition shape. Triangular upper torso, grossly overdeveloped chest and arms, exposed popping veins, fake-tanned skin stretched too tight over the frame thanks to dieting and dehydration to cut water weight and body fat down to nothing. It looks great at competitions but is deceptive -- it is generally NOT a healthy state of being. Gerard Butler's look, btw, is the Hollywood equivalent; an intense regimen of strict diet and exercise to build muscle and burn fat and tighten everything up to look good for the camera.

Reality is that the walking around strong guy looks more like this:

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Squarish upper torso, muscles hidden without that showy pump, well hydrated and well fed physique with plenty of energy stored up for work. In the comics Bane spent years in prison building up his body AND his mind, and was already a big guy before he started injecting Venom into his veins. To me, his "normal" state is that of the bulky strongman; it's only while under the immediate effect of Venom that he would come close to the bodybuilder physique, in a case of the muscles expanding so fast that the skin stretches tight to the point of tearing.

Then again, this is the Nolanverse and we don't know what effect Venom will have, or even if Venom is a factor at all. Hardy's Bane will no doubt have a psychological aspect to him, a cerebral strength, if he is to be a worthy match for the Batman.
 
Dacon said:
And no other media has? It's been done dozens of times in the cartoons and comics. What are you getting at here?
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I was answering the one poster, and ones like him who always pop into Batman threads, who claims Nolan's Batman is just as unrealistic as any and all other comic book movies. Its just not true. All movies involving comic book characters are of course unrealistic, but one of Batman's main appeals is that he has no super hero power, has no fantasy aspects, and is set more in the real world.

And to that end Nolan has done a great job of keeping the fantasy elements, Justice League, other heroes, and villains that might fit under "unrealistic" out of the movies. Or he changes the approach.



Some people could argue he already has included more than a few fantasy elements.
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Who are these some people? Are you one of them? Can you give examples?
 
The Joker, Scarecrow, Two-Face and Ra's al Ghul all looked hokey as fuck on paper and in previous iterations. Nolan's treatment of them was great. I'm confident he'll do the same with this.
 
I know what actual strongmen look like bro, I'm a fan of the competitions :p

My point is Bane IS one of those cut mass monsters you see in those bodybuilding magazines. I highly doubt he'll be one in the film however, and there will most definitely be a mind behind the monster if they keep in line with Bane's character at all. He isn't the man who broke the bat for nothing.

I was answering the one poster, and ones like him who always pop into Batman threads, who claims Nolan's Batman is just as unrealistic as any and all other comic book movies. Its just not true. All movies involving comic book characters are of course unrealistic, but one of Batman's main appeals is that he has no super hero power, has no fantasy aspects, and is set more in the real world.
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You're pretty wrong there, Batman has always been chock full of fantasy aspects right down to the power fantasy of a rich playboy moonlighting as an almost inhumanly tactical vigilante in the modern world. Batman is a fantasy. The character, for the most part has always been rooted in the heavily fantastical world DC has created.

Don't get me wrong, I understand wanting to keep the film series as grounded as possible, to stay consistent with the general tone the films have established. I just don't want us to kid ourselves here, Batman IS a fantasy and as a byproduct there are some fantastical elements in the films, including pseudo science.
 
Dacon said:
I know what actual strongmen look like bro, I'm a fan of the competitions :p

My point is Bane IS one of those cut mass monsters you see in those bodybuilding magazines. I highly doubt he'll be one in the film however, and there will most definitely be a mind behind the monster if they keep in line with Bane's character at all. He isn't the man who broke the bat for nothing.



You're pretty wrong there, Batman has always been chock full of fantasy aspects right down to the power fantasy of a rich playboy moonlighting as an almost inhumanly tactical vigilante in the modern world. Batman is a fantasy. The character, for the most part has always been rooted in the heavily fantastical world DC has created.

Don't get me wrong, I understand wanting to keep the film series as grounded as possible, to stay consistent with the general tone the films have established. I just don't want us to kid ourselves here, Batman IS a fantasy and as a byproduct there are some fantastical elements in the films, including pseudo science.
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Way to totally ignore the context in which he was referring to the theme of fantasy.
 
Off-topic, but I have literally no idea how Catwoman will fit into Nolan's low-camp setting. I doubt she'll get a costume.

As for Bane, heh.
 
Sotha Sil said:
Off-topic, but I have literally no idea how Catwoman will fit into Nolan's low-camp setting. I doubt she'll get a costume.

As for Bane, heh.
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All that's been confirmed so far is Selina Kyle, isn't it? I know she's normally known as Catwoman, but maybe it won't be quite as literal in TDKR.
 
Scullibundo said:
All that's been confirmed so far is Selina Kyle, isn't it? I know she's normally known as Catwoman, but maybe it won't be quite as literal in TDKR.
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Very true - I forgot to bring up this point.
 
Scullibundo said:
Way to totally ignore the context in which he was referring to the theme of fantasy.
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So the only kind of fantasy that's relevant here is supernatural or science fiction? Educate me here friend, what am I missing?

EDIT: I do believe a while back that they confirmed Hathaway did a costume test and they hinted heavily at Catwoman appearing.

I'd be surprised if she didn't.
 
Sotha Sil said:
Off-topic, but I have literally no idea how Catwoman will fit into Nolan's low-camp setting. I doubt she'll get a costume.
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Catwoman's costume is mostly fine/realistic as is, I don't see what's so campy about it. No worse than Batman's costume really.

It's not like Penguin/Mr. Freeze, I think Catwoman will be fairly easy to translate into the Nolan Batman-universe without very much changes.
 
Scullibundo said:
All that's been confirmed so far is Selina Kyle, isn't it? I know she's normally known as Catwoman, but maybe it won't be quite as literal in TDKR.
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I heard rumors months ago that they tested her catsuit and she performed test acting pretty well with it. So I guess she's there more than that.
 
Scullibundo said:
All that's been confirmed so far is Selina Kyle, isn't it? I know she's normally known as Catwoman, but maybe it won't be quite as literal in TDKR.
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I was talking to a friend about this movie yesterday and I brought up the same point. I think it's very possible that Catwoman won't even be in this film.

As far as the Bane picture is concerned, it doesn't look too bad. I'd like to see more angles.
 
Scullibundo said:
All that's been confirmed so far is Selina Kyle, isn't it? I know she's normally known as Catwoman, but maybe it won't be quite as literal in TDKR.
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Wally Pfister and Gary Oldman both let it slip that Catwoman is in it too, not just Selina.

Similarly, Eckhart was only ever announced as Dent, not Two-Face.

jett said:
Tom Hardy definitely doesn't look like he took 'roids. Are those his tats btw or Bane's?
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His.
 
The Chef said:
Bane needs to look like this:
jaycutlerbody.jpg

Minus the frosted tips.

Still, in Nolan we trust.
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What? Jay Cutler is a monster, one of the best bodybuilders in the history of the sport. His entire life has been devoted to getting big beyond his natural limits, and being a IFBB professional, rest assured he's been on the juice since he was a teen.

Some of you need to get in touch with reality. Even comicbook Batman is developed beyond reason.
 
Funky Papa said:
What? Jay Cutler is a monster, one of the best bodybuilders in the history of the sport. His entire life has been devoted to getting big beyond his natural limits, and being a IFBB professional, rest assured he's been on the juice since he was a teen.

Some of you need to get in touch with reality. Even comicbook Batman is developed beyond reality.
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Why would you want to look like that? Theres a point where youre healthy and then you vascularize and look all emaciatedly buff. gross.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
Why would you want to look like that? Theres a point where youre healthy and then you vascularize and look all emaciatedly buff. gross.
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After working out for years with bodybuilders... I kind of see the appeal. You need to be tall as fuck, tho, otherwise you are going to look like a stump.
 
They went with a complicated design for his mask without need.

Unless Nolan thought we needed to see hardy's face all the time or we wouldn't buy his acting.
 
WrikaWrek said:
They went with a complicated design for his mask without need.

Unless Nolan thought we needed to see hardy's face all the time or we wouldn't buy his acting.
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Guess he never saw V for Vendetta.
 
I wonder if Nolan is drawing inspiration from the Nolan Sisters's dark '83 pop classic 'Dressed to kill'. I hope he is.

Everythings great about this apart from teethgirl.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
Reality is that the walking around strong guy looks more like this:
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Even this is incredible. Dude has like 36" arms for god sakes.
Bane needs to be SCARY and Intimidating!!

I understand we cant get a crazy ass steroid ridden body builder to play bane. However, I am seriously doubting Nolans choice in this. I mean Tom Hardy looks like hes 185lbs in this pic:
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We are filling a role of Conan the Barbarian here - give us Arnold not Gerard Butler.
Know what Im sayin?
 
Nolan changes shit up. Maybe in the Nolan-verse Venom gives you super strength and sense w/o having to bulk you up to an abnormal size. He changed up the Joker quite a bit (the scars + white/green makeup instead of white chemically bleached skin).
 
Dacon said:
You're pretty wrong there, Batman has always been chock full of fantasy aspects right down to the power fantasy of a rich playboy moonlighting as an almost inhumanly tactical vigilante in the modern world. Batman is a fantasy. The character, for the most part has always been rooted in the heavily fantastical world DC has created.

Don't get me wrong, I understand wanting to keep the film series as grounded as possible, to stay consistent with the general tone the films have established. I just don't want us to kid ourselves here, Batman IS a fantasy and as a byproduct there are some fantastical elements in the films, including pseudo science.
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I don't get what you are arguing. I wasn't even replying to you the first time around.

Batman, as a character, is yes pure fantasy. It is highly impossible that a playboy billionaire can fight crime as a vigilante at nights with all the tech and detective work he does.

Yes. To that level it is fantasy. But there is no mutant powers, alien beings, or any other "super" human powers. It's just a man with money, strength, and his brain. To that degree its grounded in reality. And yes while the comics have merged all sorts of worlds together (DC universe) Nolan's movies have at least tried to keep it as far away from those type of super human fantastical themes, which IMO is one the main appeals of Batman.

And because of that direction by Nolan/WB any new character is going to be written in with in mind. They won't just randomly introduce some supernatural aspect in the 3rd movie when they avoided it at all costs in the first 2. Some characters will also be changed to fit into that type of world.
 
Discotheque said:
and they both look stupid. I'll wait for footage though but meh at the picture. lame stuff. Are those his real tattoos or what?
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Same here. One thing I'll say though is that Bane will not be talk of the town like Joker was.
 
I really am amazed at all of the proclamations being thrown about here. It's not even about people learning their lesson, it's just.....the certainty, it's absurd.
 
effzee said:
I don't get what you are arguing. I wasn't even replying to you the first time around.
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Discussion= argument? I only really took issue with your statement that there was no fantasy elements to Batman.
Yes. To that level it is fantasy. But there is no mutant powers, alien beings, or any other "super" human powers. It's just a man with money, strength, and his brain. To that degree its grounded in reality. And yes while the comics have merged all sorts of worlds together (DC universe) Nolan's movies have at least tried to keep it as far away from those type of super human fantastical themes, which IMO is one the main appeals of Batman.
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So, you don't like comic Batman but you like movie Batman? Okay. I could argue that Nolan's Batman is still pretty superhuman given some of the stuff he pulls off, but that's not really important. I'm just saying, despite the fact that it is grounded in reality, it is still pretty fantastical and unrealistic. Like you yourself said, it is pure fantasy.

And because of that direction by Nolan/WB any new character is going to be written in with in mind. They won't just randomly introduce some supernatural aspect in the 3rd movie when they avoided it at all costs in the first 2. Some characters will also be changed to fit into that type of world.
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If, and I doubt they would, did introduce some supernatural element beyond the basic premise of Batman, I doubt they would introduce it "randomly".
 
Dacon said:
So, you don't like comic Batman but you like movie Batman? Okay. I could argue that Nolan's Batman is still pretty superhuman given some of the stuff he pulls off, but that's not really important. I'm just saying, despite the fact that it is grounded in reality, it is still pretty fantastical and unrealistic. Like you yourself said, it is pure fantasy.
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Batman's enemies may be fantastical and even stupid. But there's no denying that Batman himself operates strictly in the plane of physical reality. He could sometimes seem to have superhuman strength and own gadgets that seem way too far-fetched in sci-fi. Many people like the idea that Batman relies on his ingenuity, technology and skills to take down monsters that are sometimes clearly more powerful than him. This is what sets Batman aside from other comic book superheroes, and appeals to people who are not just strictly into comics.
 
Sotha Sil said:
Off-topic, but I have literally no idea how Catwoman will fit into Nolan's low-camp setting. I doubt she'll get a costume.

As for Bane, heh.
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There have been plenty of examples out there of how she could look that would fit into the world of Nolan's Batman.
 
RustyNails said:
Batman's enemies may be fantastical and even stupid. But there's no denying that Batman himself operates strictly in the plane of physical reality. He could sometimes seem to have superhuman strength and own gadgets that seem way too far-fetched in sci-fi. Many people like the idea that Batman relies on his ingenuity, technology and skills to take down monsters that are sometimes clearly more powerful than him. This is what sets Batman aside from other comic book superheroes, and appeals to people who are not just strictly into comics.
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I understand the appeal of the character. I'm just saying that he's always been drowned in fantasy from the feats he's achieved to the things he's experienced, Nolan's films being on the further side of that equation.
 
Sotha Sil said:
Off-topic, but I have literally no idea how Catwoman will fit into Nolan's low-camp setting. I doubt she'll get a costume.

As for Bane, heh.
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So, a guy who dresses up as a bat to fight criminals, Jokers, Scarcrow, and Two-Face is ok, but not a female cat burgler? Cut me a break.
 
BobTheFork said:
Do they seriously just take out all Tom's tattoos in post? That seems like a nightmare.
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Make-up would cover a good deal. Just look at Kiefer Sutherland in 24 as a good example.
 
Dacon said:
Discussion= argument? I only really took issue with your statement that there was no fantasy elements to Batman.
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Again we are arguing different things. Batman is not real and I know its fantasy. But within fantasy there are different levels of make belief. Batman falls closer in the real of action movies starring heroes who are not super human, mutants, aliens, or a product of some experiment gone wrong. In that sense its closer to someone like Bond how has next to impossible gadgets, superior intellect, and above average fighting skills. Same goes for the villains he faces.

So, you don't like comic Batman but you like movie Batman? Okay. I could argue that Nolan's Batman is still pretty superhuman given some of the stuff he pulls off, but that's not really important. I'm just saying, despite the fact that it is grounded in reality, it is still pretty fantastical and unrealistic. Like you yourself said, it is pure fantasy.

If, and I doubt they would, did introduce some supernatural element beyond the basic premise of Batman, I doubt they would introduce it "randomly".
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Yes in the comics there is a lot of cross over, but Batman by himself is free from those elements. And if you are asking which Batman I prefer, its the grounded in reality one. That goes for comics and movies.

Nolan's Batman is superhuman in that he has infinite amounts of money, superior intellect, superior fighting skills, the police commissioner on his side, and the advantage of pulling of the impossible in a movie setting. Unrealistic is different than pure fantasy. Unrealistic could be easily applied to all action movies like Bourne, Bond, Die Hard, or whatever else. They are still grounded in reality and don't operate with mystical, supernatural, or magical elements.

The whole point was to counter a poser who claimed Batman is just as much fantasy as every other comic book movie out. It's just not true. Even the characters that would lend themselves to that have been altered to fit in more.
 
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