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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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JCtheMC said:
Call me crazy, despite the script being posted... this MUST happen.
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imo NO WAY.

Dent/Two Face had a nice self-contained story arc in this version of the story...He wasn't destined to be some recurring badguy who robs banks... he was a tortured character driven for personal revenge over one incident. I don't think we need to see him resurrected from the grave with yet more vengeance against Gordon/Batman, or worse, generic badguy stuff. Need I remind you that he also died, which necessitated Batman being seen as a villain? It would severely weaken TDK to have him return in Batman 3.

Now if Heath hadn't died I think it would have made perfect sense to have Joker return. Now? No.
 
permutated said:
Two Face is the best character in the Batman universe, he's so incredibly deep. Eckhart did a fantastic job too, top notch.
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Eckhart is the reason that I wish Two-Face weren't dead. He was absolutely brilliant.
 
permutated said:
Ok, am I the only person who believes that Harvey Dent is alive, and will be in the next one?
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Dent is dead.

They kept thing realistic by killing him. After all, how long can a guy with half his face burnt off run around like that. Its a pitty he wont be the villian for the next film (Back when Begins came out I predicted Joker for the next film with an origin for dent followed by dent being the main villian in another film).

I will get over it though. They did the character justice in TDK.
 
Router said:
Dent is dead.

They kept thing realistic by killing him. After all, how long can a guy with half his face burnt off run around like that. Its a pitty he wont be the villian for the next film (Back when Begins came out I predicted Joker for the next film with an origin for dent followed by dent being the main villian in another film).

I will get over it though. They did the character justice in TDK.
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I've been saying they should have The Riddler in the next one with Hush (this guy's story ties in so well Bruce Wayne, Ra's Al Ghul, The Riddler and Harvey Dent) as a secondary villain. In the comics, he's responsible for repairing Harvey Dent's face. So I say they bring him back, have him run around a bit more as Two Face and end it without having to kill him off :D

But again, as we discussed a few pages back, if Hush were to be written in he'd need a much better motivation than what's told in the comics.
 
Router said:
Dent is dead.

They kept thing realistic by killing him. After all, how long can a guy with half his face burnt off run around like that. Its a pitty he wont be the villian for the next film (Back when Begins came out I predicted Joker for the next film with an origin for dent followed by dent being the main villian in another film).

I will get over it though. They did the character justice in TDK.
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Was that before you watched the movie? Because there is a pretty big hint at the end of the film that Joker would be in the next movie.

Anyway, The Dark Knight was amazing. I saw it once a few weeks ago and was pretty much blown away at the quality. I was never a fan of Heath Ledger before this movie, but his performance was really quite amazing and definitely the highlight of the movie. I can't wait to see TDK again.
 
I heard this movie was shot with IMAX cameras, but today I read that only one hour of the film is actually in IMAX. Does anyone have any info on this. Or what part of the film is IMAX.

See I finally saw the film this past weekend, and as soon as it started I felt something was wrong, The colors were wrong, skin tones where off, batman's suit was grey(I could see the white screen). I never felt or saw any 3D scenes. It felt like it was a regular film projector.
 
-Clover said:
I heard this movie was shot with IMAX cameras, but today I read that only one hour of the film is actually in IMAX. Does anyone have any info on this. Or what part of the film is IMAX.

See I finally saw the film this past weekend, and as soon as it started I felt something was wrong, The colors were wrong, skin tones where off, batman's suit was grey(I could see the white screen). I never felt or saw any 3D scenes. It felt like it was a regular film projector.
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Don't worry, all the scenes that should be in IMAX are in IMAX. It's a completely different experience, you must watch this in IMAX if you like the film!
 
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Fake, but still awesome.
 
pizzaguysrevenge said:
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Fake, but still awesome.
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I think The Riddler would make an awesome villain and fit in perfectly with Nolan's universe. Something like The Riddler from the Batman animated series of the early 90s. Not crazy, but more refined, sophisticated and intelligent.
 
I think the Riddler is a bit too much like the Joker to stand out. I think Bane would be perfect, actually. This seems to be the perfect time for Batman to be broken. Granted, I wouldn't have him completely broken since the movie would drag with him out of commission for the majority of the movie, but he should at least be severely weakened / injured.
 
_leech_ said:
I think The Riddler would make an awesome villain and fit in perfectly with Nolan's universe. Something like The Riddler from the Batman animated series of the early 90s. Not crazy, but more refined, sophisticated and intelligent.
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I hate to say it, but with a name like Riddler, the general populace would write him off as a Joker rip off.

I do love the riddler though, and I think having an intellectual enemy really turn gotham even more against Batman would be great, but if they do that, they need a murderous or insane overpowering enemy to test Batman's physical limits as well to even it out. Someone like Bane, or Clayface (I'll say it until I lose my voice)
 
So what is the GAF consensus regarding whether or not the Joker should be recast for the 3rd film?

it would be great to have Joker added to the continuing Nolan universe, but then again it may be too jarring to transition to a different actor, however good he may be.
 
Rindain said:
So what is the GAF consensus regarding whether or not the Joker should be recast for the 3rd film?

it would be great to have Joker added to the continuing Nolan universe, but then again it may be too jarring to transition to a different actor, however good he may be.
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Ledger was too good, and the character said everything he needed to say, there's absolutely no reason to put him in the 3rd.
 
Rindain said:
So what is the GAF consensus regarding whether or not the Joker should be recast for the 3rd film?

it would be great to have Joker added to the continuing Nolan universe, but then again it may be too jarring to transition to a different actor, however good he may be.
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Definitely recast him if they have more for him to do in the future. People will hate them for it, but that's the point of Batman.
 
They have to go with The Riddler as the next villain because he asks "Who is the Batman?" and in BB Scarecrow says "It's the Batman" in that scene where they're
pouring the toxins into the water
and in TDK, The Joker says "It's simple: kill the Batman!" during (IIRC) the mob scene.

It's so obvious!
 
Rindain said:
So what is the GAF consensus regarding whether or not the Joker should be recast for the 3rd film?

it would be great to have Joker added to the continuing Nolan universe, but then again it may be too jarring to transition to a different actor, however good he may be.
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If Nolan planned the Joker for the third film, then you re-cast. Ledger's death was tragic, and his performance was brilliant, but people die all the time. The character was around long before Heath, and will be long after his death. Nolan shouldnt sacrifice his vision (again, assuming he planned the Joker to return) due to Ledger's untimely demise.

That said, I personally DON'T think Nolan will bring the Joker back.
 
Give the Joker a brief cameo at the beginning of part 3. Just like Scarecrow in TDK. But more subtle.

Show him in his cell at Arkham. Just in the background, while Gordon and some psychiatrist walk along the corridor. Don't let him say anything. After TDK, he really has nothing more to say.

Just make us remember that he's still there. Let the audience know that bars aren't enough to keep him in check forever - with villains like him alive, Gotham needs the Batman.
 
permutated said:
I hate to say it, but with a name like Riddler, the general populace would write him off as a Joker rip off.
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If they don't handle him carefully they could make him seem too familiar to the Joker, but the name alone doesn't give that impression to most people I don't think. The general population of adults vaguely remembers the old Batman tv show from their youth, and the Riddler was one of the bigger villians on the show. He's also more a part of pop culture (along with the Joker, Catwoman, and The Penguin) than your average superhero villian.

I had a conversation with my Dad the other day, and he knows next to nothing about Batman. When I asked him what villian he thought they should use in the next Batman movie, he immediately said the Riddler.

Pezking said:
Give the Joker a brief cameo at the beginning of part 3. Just like Scarecrow in TDK. But more subtle.
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I think that a Scarecrow-esque cameo is too small for a character now as infamous as Ledger's Joker, let alone something even briefer (with no lines). It would be such a tease that it would just distract.. I mean, if you saw that they got another actor to dress up as him, you'd be wanting to see who that guy was, you'd be curious if he'd imitate Ledger... it's just too weird. nah, I think he'll probably exist in a name-drop mention only.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Joker's done. Even if Heath were alive i dont' know that id want Joker back in part 3. You can't top his role in TDK w/o feeling like a rehash IMO.
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It's become Christopher Reeve syndrome. Immediately after a stunning performance and death, there are too many memories attached to the character and who portrayed it, so any recast is just terrible.

Note this is different than say, Harry Potter, because I think it has something to do with super hero movies :lol
 
ratcliffja said:
I think Bane would be perfect, actually. This seems to be the perfect time for Batman to be broken. Granted, I wouldn't have him completely broken since the movie would drag with him out of commission for the majority of the movie, but he should at least be severely weakened / injured.
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Agreed, though Bane needs to completely break Batman. The only way to redeem Bats is show what Gotham becomes without him. At the end of TDK, they're hunting him down. They want him gone. He can't redeem himself, and Harvey can't help. So there needs to be an external force. When Bane breaks Batman, and Azrael steps in to assume the Batmantle, Gotham will realize their mistake. They wanted Batman gone. Now he's gone, and they're witnessing the ensuing brutality.
 
I actually wouldn't have been surprised to see the Joker as a secondary villain, perhaps akin to a Silence of the Lambs-esque behind bars sort of thing. I don't know if that's feasible now, however. Not only would someone have to live up to Ledger's legacy, but they'd have a smaller part to do it with. But that might depend on the quality of writing.

The entire thing is incredibly difficult anyway. Recasting a part also means a different take on the character. But given the circumstances, you're probably gonna have a lot of people divided on how it should be played. A lot of people will probably want the same kind of performance, which might make living up to Ledger's performance impossible.
 
permutated said:
I hate to say it, but with a name like Riddler, the general populace would write him off as a Joker rip off.

I do love the riddler though, and I think having an intellectual enemy really turn gotham even more against Batman would be great, but if they do that, they need a murderous or insane overpowering enemy to test Batman's physical limits as well to even it out. Someone like Bane, or Clayface (I'll say it until I lose my voice)
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The Riddler is the only Batman villain with his own roller coaster IIRC.
 
The only part about Dent dying that I didn't like (aside from Eckhart being awesome) is that Batman killed him with the most cliched of Hollywood Deus Ex Machina - ye olde American Football Tackle.

Batman doesn't kill people and even if they wanted to tell a story about Batman killing someone and the remorse and guilt that follows, they didn't show any of that even seconds after Dent was dead. Wayne and Gorden just went right on with getting their stories straight.
 
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5319&Itemid=99

IESB found out the complete opposite from various sources at WB -- the movie will not move forward in its current incarnation and a lot has to do with the success of The Dark Knight. Warner Bros. is not willing to risk pissing off Christopher Nolan or Christian Bale and their intent would be to move forward with a third Batman film instead of introducing another Batman in a JLA film.
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I so badly want to see a JLA movie! Even though all these delays are upsetting, it reassures me that they don't just want to make it for the sake of making it.
 
http://joblo.com/excl-the-tdk-dvds

A scooper named "Dave" sent in some images that we've been able to confirm as legit. They would confirm a 2-disc DVD, a Blu-ray, a steelbook 2-disc DVD special edition, a Batpod collector's DVD and a Batman mask collector's DVD (basically the 2-disc DVD shrink-wrapped with a Batman mask).

In trying to track down more info on these DVDs, I've heard two conflicting release dates - December 2nd and December 9th. Either way THE DARK KNIGHT is poised for some huge sales this holiday season. I've already got my eyes on that steelbook...
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DMczaf said:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5319&Itemid=99



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http://joblo.com/excl-the-tdk-dvds
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I'm really curious what kind of DVD they put out. Nolan doesn't do commentaries, so that's out. I hope they have a lot of behind the scenes, on the set type of stuff. If they do that, there's absolutely nothing more I can ask of TDK and it's crew - they've delivered on everything.

Even if there's not much, just a great transfer of the film would do. And maybe some of Ledger's outtakes, because you know that footage is out there. I could watch hours straight of his different takes on scenes.
 
Solo said:
If Nolan planned the Joker for the third film, then you re-cast. Ledger's death was tragic, and his performance was brilliant, but people die all the time. The character was around long before Heath, and will be long after his death. Nolan shouldnt sacrifice his vision (again, assuming he planned the Joker to return) due to Ledger's untimely demise.

That said, I personally DON'T think Nolan will bring the Joker back.
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completely agree. if it fits nolan's vision and ultimate story then im all for it.

that fake riddle poster looks awesome.

one cool idea would be for batman to disappear for a while and then see how much the city needs him and then he comes back and finds out he has a son with superpowers...
 
Maxrpg said:
It's become Christopher Reeve syndrome. Immediately after a stunning performance and death, there are too many memories attached to the character and who portrayed it, so any recast is just terrible.
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Only Reeve's was an awful Superman, but Ledger was perfection as Joker.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Agreed, though Bane needs to completely break Batman. The only way to redeem Bats is show what Gotham becomes without him. At the end of TDK, they're hunting him down. They want him gone. He can't redeem himself, and Harvey can't help. So there needs to be an external force. When Bane breaks Batman, and Azrael steps in to assume the Batmantle, Gotham will realize their mistake. They wanted Batman gone. Now he's gone, and they're witnessing the ensuing brutality.
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This could work. Good idea.

"The night is always darkest before the dawn"....what is TDK wasn't the darkest moment that Gotham faces just yet?
 
permutated said:
Only Reeve's was an awful Superman, but Ledger was perfection as Joker.
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The better answer would have been that Reeve died years after playing Superman and being done with that role, while Ledger died months afterwards and before the movie even came out.

Maxrpg said:
It's become Christopher Reeve syndrome. Immediately after a stunning performance and death, there are too many memories attached to the character and who portrayed it, so any recast is just terrible.
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I don't think Christopher Reeve has a syndrome like this. If he does, that's the worst syndrome I've ever heard. Should be the Ledger syndrome from now on.
 
yea, that DVD stuff looks horribly fake. + DVD details a month after the film is released? while it's still breaking theatre records? Doubtful. Iron Man details were jsut released on Monday, or something.
 
Skiptastic said:
I don't think Christopher Reeve has a syndrome like this. If he does, that's the worst syndrome I've ever heard. Should be the Ledger syndrome from now on.
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If you could name me one person who'd be up to playing the joker I would be open to it, but I honestly can't think of anyone.
 
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