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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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HomerSimpson-Man said:
I ain't even big on Superman, but...WTF is this shit?
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Lol, so bad.
 
I agree Reeves was a bad Superman based on his comic interpretation. For better or for worse he transcended the character and made him his own. Because of this more often than not I prefer the film version of Supes over the comic book.

As far as Ledger/Joker goes. The Joker has so many variations in the comics realm that it's hard to pinpoint a TRUE version.
 
permutated said:
This could work. Good idea.

"The night is always darkest before the dawn"....what if TDK wasn't the darkest moment that Gotham faces just yet?
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Yup. I feel like there's a lot of foreshadowing in TDK.

For example, the idea of a purging fire. In BB, Bruce purges the League of Shadows by burning their fortress. Ra's returns the favor later. Alfred had to burn the forest down to catch the bandit. Joker just wants to watch the world burn. He purges the very last remnants of the mob control when he sets Lao and the money on fire; "it's not about the money...it's about sending a message" is very poignant. Harvey has been eliminating corruption throughout Gordon's unit...and fire ends up destroying him. I'm fully convinced there's something fucking huge coming in the next movie. Something that brings everyone to their knees.

In TDK, my ears perked up early in the movie when Alfred sees the huge bruises and scars on Bruce's back. "Know your limits, sir." "Batman has no limits." "But you do." "Can't afford to know'em." His "One Rule" is his limit in TDK, but there's surely going to be more than just that. The injuries and exhaustion Bruce is suffering from is totally foreshadowing some massive trauma. Like Bane. Bane challenges both Batman and Bruce's limits. He breaks Bruce just as much as he breaks Batman. After Bane, Batman/Bruce fully knows his limits.

What also caught my ear was Mike Engel reading Joker's statement. "At nightfall, this city is mine." The immediate, literal interpretation is what happens in TDK. But add a "k" in there and it becomes "At Knightfall, this city is mine." Once Bane breaks Batman, Azrael begins breaking Batman's "One Rule," and Gotham falls to chaos...that's Joker's city.
 
This whole Ledger - Joker thing is just funny as shit. The Joker without Ledger has been around forever, yes he rocked the part, he was amazing, heck, he is what makes the movie so great, BUT it means shit right now, Ledger is dead and somebody else will end up being the Joker.

Of course, however, it doesn't make much sense to use the Joker again in the next movie, there's other great villains to use, and hopefully they will use Bane, so it's all good for the crazy people saying Joker without Ledger isn't joker. Won't you ever fucking learn? When he was announced as The Joker everybody was like "What, the dude from 10 things? OMG FAIL".

I think bringing back the Joker in the movie after the next one would make sense, and i'm positive there will be plenty of talent wanting to take a shot at it by then.
 
Mgoblue201 said:
I actually wouldn't have been surprised to see the Joker as a secondary villain, perhaps akin to a Silence of the Lambs-esque behind bars sort of thing. I don't know if that's feasible now, however. Not only would someone have to live up to Ledger's legacy, but they'd have a smaller part to do it with. But that might depend on the quality of writing.

The entire thing is incredibly difficult anyway. Recasting a part also means a different take on the character. But given the circumstances, you're probably gonna have a lot of people divided on how it should be played. A lot of people will probably want the same kind of performance, which might make living up to Ledger's performance impossible.
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I would actually love that angle. The follow-up to Mr. Ledger's phenomenal performance had better be incredible, but I still think the idea has potential.

And I think it would be hilarious to see Joker copycats in the next film like we saw Batmen in TDK.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
That was awesome back in the 70s
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I don't enjoy campy bullshit.

The Blue Jihad said:
Yup. I feel like there's a lot of foreshadowing in TDK.

For example, the idea of a purging fire. In BB, Bruce purges the League of Shadows by burning their fortress. Ra's returns the favor later. Alfred had to burn the forest down to catch the bandit. Joker just wants to watch the world burn. He purges the very last remnants of the mob control when he sets Lao and the money on fire; "it's not about the money...it's about sending a message" is very poignant. Harvey has been eliminating corruption throughout Gordon's unit...and fire ends up destroying him. I'm fully convinced there's something fucking huge coming in the next movie. Something that brings everyone to their knees.

In TDK, my ears perked up early in the movie when Alfred sees the huge bruises and scars on Bruce's back. "Know your limits, sir." "Batman has no limits." "But you do." "Can't afford to know'em." His "One Rule" is his limit in TDK, but there's surely going to be more than just that. The injuries and exhaustion Bruce is suffering from is totally foreshadowing some massive trauma. Like Bane. Bane challenges both Batman and Bruce's limits. He breaks Bruce just as much as he breaks Batman. After Bane, Batman/Bruce fully knows his limits.

What also caught my ear was Mike Engel reading Joker's statement. "At nightfall, this city is mine." The immediate, literal interpretation is what happens in TDK. But add a "k" in there and it becomes "At Knightfall, this city is mine." Once Bane breaks Batman, Azrael begins breaking Batman's "One Rule," and Gotham falls to chaos...that's Joker's city.
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This may very well be the best thing I've ever read on gaf.

I think it's also important to realize that with Ledgers death, the character has somewhat "died" (to the general public), so even if Batman is tested, Gotham falls to the Joker's ideals, we don't necessarily need to see the Joker in order to realize how right he was and how much Batman really means to Gotham.

Just food for thought. Could work with and without the Joker, considering how much was written into his character in TDK, I think it almost proves that his ideals, much like Batmans; live on after initial suffering.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Yup. I feel like there's a lot of foreshadowing in TDK.

For example, the idea of a purging fire. In BB, Bruce purges the League of Shadows by burning their fortress. Ra's returns the favor later. Alfred had to burn the forest down to catch the bandit. Joker just wants to watch the world burn. He purges the very last remnants of the mob control when he sets Lao and the money on fire; "it's not about the money...it's about sending a message" is very poignant. Harvey has been eliminating corruption throughout Gordon's unit...and fire ends up destroying him. I'm fully convinced there's something fucking huge coming in the next movie. Something that brings everyone to their knees..
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This is probably the most epic interpretation I've heard so far. bravo
 
It is safe to say most of you idiots don't know shit about acting. Reeves was GREAT as Superman. You losers are just haters. You can't act for shit, so you say someone else acts shitty. ROFL
 
ASN21 said:
It is safe to say most of you idiots don't know shit about acting. Reeves was GREAT as Superman. You losers are just haters. You can't act for shit, so you say someone else acts shitty. ROFL
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yeah, and i bet most movie critics are all oscar-winning directors
 
ASN21 said:
It is safe to say most of you idiots don't know shit about acting. Reeves was GREAT as Superman. You losers are just haters. You can't act for shit, so you say someone else acts shitty. ROFL
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You know shit about acting?
 
ASN21 said:
It is safe to say most of you idiots don't know shit about acting. Reeves was GREAT as Superman. You losers are just haters. You can't act for shit, so you say someone else acts shitty. ROFL
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


:lol :lol
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Yup. I feel like there's a lot of foreshadowing in TDK.

For example, the idea of a purging fire. In BB, Bruce purges the League of Shadows by burning their fortress. Ra's returns the favor later. Alfred had to burn the forest down to catch the bandit. Joker just wants to watch the world burn. He purges the very last remnants of the mob control when he sets Lao and the money on fire; "it's not about the money...it's about sending a message" is very poignant. Harvey has been eliminating corruption throughout Gordon's unit...and fire ends up destroying him. I'm fully convinced there's something fucking huge coming in the next movie. Something that brings everyone to their knees.

In TDK, my ears perked up early in the movie when Alfred sees the huge bruises and scars on Bruce's back. "Know your limits, sir." "Batman has no limits." "But you do." "Can't afford to know'em." His "One Rule" is his limit in TDK, but there's surely going to be more than just that. The injuries and exhaustion Bruce is suffering from is totally foreshadowing some massive trauma. Like Bane. Bane challenges both Batman and Bruce's limits. He breaks Bruce just as much as he breaks Batman. After Bane, Batman/Bruce fully knows his limits.

What also caught my ear was Mike Engel reading Joker's statement. "At nightfall, this city is mine." The immediate, literal interpretation is what happens in TDK. But add a "k" in there and it becomes "At Knightfall, this city is mine." Once Bane breaks Batman, Azrael begins breaking Batman's "One Rule," and Gotham falls to chaos...that's Joker's city.
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Wow, nice interpretation.
 
ASN21 said:
It is safe to say most of you idiots don't know shit about acting. Reeves was GREAT as Superman. You losers are just haters. You can't act for shit, so you say someone else acts shitty. ROFL
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Your OPINION is fact? Why are you on some lowly internet board then?? Shouldn't you be off in Hollywood hitting it big?

Douche. STFU.
 
I think what he's trying to say (mind you, very poorly), is that people are entitled to their informed opinions of which none of you Reeves-bashers have. He's suggesting that those bashing Reeves clearly possess a limited knowledge of performance.

I have to agree with him. Christopher Reeves was great in Superman and those calling his performance shitty clearly don't know what a shitty performance is.
 
Scullibundo said:
I think what he's trying to say (mind you, very poorly), is that people are entitled to their informed opinions of which none of you Reeves-bashers have. He's suggesting that those bashing Reeves clearly possess a limited knowledge of performance.

I have to agree with him. Christopher Reeves was great in Superman and those calling his performance shitty clearly don't know what a shitty performance is.
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This is true. while he wasn't comic book Superman, he was fuckin Christopher Reeves Superman.
 
permutated said:
If you could name me one person who'd be up to playing the joker I would be open to it, but I honestly can't think of anyone.
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No, I agree with you. I'm saying calling the syndrome of someone dying meaning filmmakers are screwed because "nobody else can fill that role" the "Christopher Reeve" syndrome is stupid.

That doesn't apply to Christopher Reeve at all. First off, there are plenty of actors that could be better Superman. Hell, I even thought Routh was all right at time. Secondly, Reeve didn't die until he had run that franchise into the ground and had moved on. It wasn't like he had the accident after Superman II and everyone was shocked by it. He got into his accident 8 years after the last Superman movie he made, and died 9 years after that. Heath Ledger's situation doesn't match up to this at all.

The "X actor was so perfect as Y character but is now dead and, even though they technically could, they should never find a new actor for Y character" shall now be known as the Ledger Effect.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
This is true. while he wasn't comic book Superman, he was fuckin Christopher Reeves Superman.
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Read Action Comics

Superman is Christopher Reeve now. :lol :D

coincidentally there's been some really good stories going on right now.

While not drawn by Gary Frank, Richard Donner's Superman story was also awesome.
 
permutated said:
This may very well be the best thing I've ever read on gaf.

I think it's also important to realize that with Ledgers death, the character has somewhat "died" (to the general public), so even if Batman is tested, Gotham falls to the Joker's ideals, we don't necessarily need to see the Joker in order to realize how right he was and how much Batman really means to Gotham.

Just food for thought. Could work with and without the Joker, considering how much was written into his character in TDK, I think it almost proves that his ideals, much like Batmans; live on after initial suffering.
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Heh, thanks. Nice to know that people dig it.

Definitely agree with your sentiments here, by the way. We don't need to see Joker in the sequel, just like we really didn't need to see Scarecrow in TDK. That's the cool thing about Nolan's approach. The villains themselves aren't necessarily important; it's their ideas and philosophies that matter.

Even in TDK, while Scarecrow as a man was inconsequential, Scarecrow as an idea was a force to be reckoned with. Fear is Scarecrow's legacy. Those who can exploit the fear in others have power, as we see throughout TDK. Batman, Harvey, and Joker all use Fear as a weapon to varying success.

Batman has the least amount of success with it, because like Maroni explained, "They're wise to your act. They know you've got rules." Batman is no longer the wildcard he was in BB. People have gotten to know him. He can no longer prey on their perception of him.

Harvey has moderate success using fear because nobody expects it. People still know him as the "white knight," someone who's pure and good. He uses that perception to his advantage when he's interrogating Joker's goon in the alley...the "Let's go again" coin flip.

Joker is the new wildcard. People don't know what to make of him. They think he's either just a freak or crazy (the mob) or a common criminal who's after something normal (Batman's initial conclusion). Nobody expects him to be anything. That's why the pencil trick works so well. Because the thug got up expecting an easy kill. When someone underestimates Joker, bad things happen. He terrifies a bunch of mobsters in a kitchen...using nothing but a fucking pencil. That's impressive. lol

I'm very interested to see what happens in the third movie. Joker's influence is undoubtedly going to be felt no matter what. Whenever we see Batman on the run, that's Joker's influence. Whenever we see brutality and acts of violence, that's Joker's influence. He won the fight for Gotham's soul even if the boats didn't blow up...because those people still saw the darkness within themselves.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Heh, thanks. Nice to know that people dig it.

Definitely agree with your sentiments here, by the way. We don't need to see Joker in the sequel, just like we really didn't need to see Scarecrow in TDK. That's the cool thing about Nolan's approach. The villains themselves aren't necessarily important; it's their ideas and philosophies that matter.

Even in TDK, while Scarecrow as a man was inconsequential, Scarecrow as an idea was a force to be reckoned with. Fear is Scarecrow's legacy. Those who can exploit the fear in others have power, as we see throughout TDK. Batman, Harvey, and Joker all use Fear as a weapon to varying success.

Batman has the least amount of success with it, because like Maroni explained, "They're wise to your act. They know you've got rules." Batman is no longer the wildcard he was in BB. People have gotten to know him. He can no longer prey on their perception of him.

Harvey has moderate success using fear because nobody expects it. People still know him as the "white knight," someone who's pure and good. He uses that perception to his advantage when he's interrogating Joker's goon in the alley...the "Let's go again" coin flip.

Joker is the new wildcard. People don't know what to make of him. They think he's either just a freak or crazy (the mob) or a common criminal who's after something normal (Batman's initial conclusion). Nobody expects him to be anything. That's why the pencil trick works so well. Because the thug got up expecting an easy kill. When someone underestimates Joker, bad things happen. He terrifies a bunch of mobsters in a kitchen...using nothing but a fucking pencil. That's impressive. lol

I'm very interested to see what happens in the third movie. Joker's influence is undoubtedly going to be felt no matter what. Whenever we see Batman on the run, that's Joker's influence. Whenever we see brutality and acts of violence, that's Joker's influence. He won the fight for Gotham's soul even if the boats didn't blow up...because those people still saw the darkness within themselves.
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IGN needs to give you a job reviewing shit, lol, your observations are so well thought out.

And yeah, I agree, Scarecrow was a symbol of fear, and I wish that Nolan would dive more into him in the next film (someone had said that a good idea would be to have Scarecrow's drugs backfire on him and turn him absolutely mad), but even more so: didn't the joker say everything he needed to say, and above everything he kept his word on nearly every promise (except for the boat scene)...

I guess what bothers me is that nothing with the Joker in TDK was left open, so for them to bring back the Joker and recast would mean that they would need to have a very very good reason, otherwise it wouldn't work.
 
The Blue Jihad said:
Heh, thanks. Nice to know that people dig it.

Definitely agree with your sentiments here, by the way. We don't need to see Joker in the sequel, just like we really didn't need to see Scarecrow in TDK. That's the cool thing about Nolan's approach. The villains themselves aren't necessarily important; it's their ideas and philosophies that matter.

Even in TDK, while Scarecrow as a man was inconsequential, Scarecrow as an idea was a force to be reckoned with. Fear is Scarecrow's legacy. Those who can exploit the fear in others have power, as we see throughout TDK. Batman, Harvey, and Joker all use Fear as a weapon to varying success.

Batman has the least amount of success with it, because like Maroni explained, "They're wise to your act. They know you've got rules." Batman is no longer the wildcard he was in BB. People have gotten to know him. He can no longer prey on their perception of him.

Harvey has moderate success using fear because nobody expects it. People still know him as the "white knight," someone who's pure and good. He uses that perception to his advantage when he's interrogating Joker's goon in the alley...the "Let's go again" coin flip.

Joker is the new wildcard. People don't know what to make of him. They think he's either just a freak or crazy (the mob) or a common criminal who's after something normal (Batman's initial conclusion). Nobody expects him to be anything. That's why the pencil trick works so well. Because the thug got up expecting an easy kill. When someone underestimates Joker, bad things happen. He terrifies a bunch of mobsters in a kitchen...using nothing but a fucking pencil. That's impressive. lol

I'm very interested to see what happens in the third movie. Joker's influence is undoubtedly going to be felt no matter what. Whenever we see Batman on the run, that's Joker's influence. Whenever we see brutality and acts of violence, that's Joker's influence. He won the fight for Gotham's soul even if the boats didn't blow up...because those people still saw the darkness within themselves.
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It's like you didn't understand the movie at all. It's obvious when Rachel died Bruce Wayne and Batman were both defeated. In preparation for this he created a third persona the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh and kicked the SWAT members asses. In the next film it will revolve around getting his coat back.
 
I think it'd be awesome if the next movie went on with whoever villian Nolan chooses, with random references to the Joker by characters throughout, and then at the very very end (like last scene), it ends with the Joker escaping, being released (for some stupid reason). Maybe give him a line or two of dialogue and then cut to credits. I think it'd be a fitting end to the trilogy.
 
permutated said:
IGN needs to give you a job reviewing shit, lol, your observations are so well thought out.

And yeah, I agree, Scarecrow was a symbol of fear, and I wish that Nolan would dive more into him in the next film (someone had said that a good idea would be to have Scarecrow's drugs backfire on him and turn him absolutely mad), but even more so: didn't the joker say everything he needed to say, and above everything he kept his word on nearly every promise (except for the boat scene)...

I guess what bothers me is that nothing with the Joker in TDK was left open, so for them to bring back the Joker and recast would mean that they would need to have a very very good reason, otherwise it wouldn't work.
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Haha, that'd be cool. Lord knows IGN could use the help.

What was neat about Scarecrow was that he didn't go mad. While his drugs backfiring on him would have been very poetic, the character was always much stronger than that in BB. He understands how his drugs work and their effects...and likely how to resist the mental strain. Batman gave him a concentrated dose of his fear toxin (it's the same batch as Scarecrow gave Rachel), and yet he seemed relatively unfazed. Of course he was still hallucinating, but I definitely got the sense it wasn't a strong enough dosage for him to go mad. I'd wager he's played with the drug before anyway...which is pretty awesome.

Also, loved his bit in TDK because it shows that other villains know Batman better than he knows himself. Joker knows there's no going back, and that Batman is just a freak, but so does Scarecrow. As much of a hero Batman tries to be, Scarecrow even sees right through it and can tell that Batman is just someone who had a really, really bad day.

Joker at the end of TDK...they've closed Joker's story in the sense that he's in jail, but it's left relatively open in that his ideas had a profound impact and will continue to shape Gotham in the future. He was right on about these civilized people eating each other when the chips are down.

Everyone trying to kill Reese is an example...and a much stronger example than the boat experiment. With Reese, you had this ugly dog-eat-dog response in broad daylight, in public, in a diverse group of people out there in the streets on their own accord. It wasn't a confined, enclosed space where the people didn't have much of a choice to escape, even if they wanted to. In Reese's situation, everyone had a choice...and had the freedom to choose. And they still chose to kill in that moment when the chips were down. It's much more poignant.

Heh, it's funny, too, because Joker was never really gung-ho about on the boats anyway. The experiment was way too simple and straightforward for Joker. Two boats of people. One, innocent civilians, the other, hardened criminals. The test wasn't so much about the people on the boats as what people on the mainland would focus on; the gist was "here your society is obsessed with violence...you watch it on the news, you broadcast my videos, well here's something to really mess with your heads." Joker was kind of throwing the notion of cliche violence right back in Gotham's face (Good civilians vs convicted felons! Who gets to live? Who gets to die?). Had the boats blown up, it would have been an empty victory because of how controlled the experiment was. Joker appreciates chaos. You can't have chaos in a controlled environment like that. The boats were just the distraction so Harvey could go off and wreak havoc.
 
If you could name me one person who'd be up to playing the joker I would be open to it, but I honestly can't think of anyone.
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Make the timeline advance some years, and re - cast Jack Nicholson as an old, aged Joker. It would be all kinds of awesome and a true challenge for a great actor likle him.

I also want my old Batman interpretated by Clint Eastwood, goddamnit.
 
permutated said:
Sorry man, the only redeeming quality of the original Superman movies was Gene Hackman.
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:lol :lol

Get the hell out.

No one touches Reeve

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Spectral Glider said:
He owned as Clark Kent too.
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Yeah not sure why we are talking about Reeves in a Dark Knight thread, but I can't really find any faults in Reeves performance as Superman.

The guy played both Clark and Superman perfectly. You should watch the extras in the dvd to see some of other people auditioning for Superman and how shitty they look and sound (especially when trying to fly).
 
bionic77 said:
The guy played both Clark and Superman perfectly. You should watch the extras in the dvd to see some of other people auditioning for Superman and how shitty they look and sound (especially when trying to fly).
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I think they even had a dentist test for the part cause they thought he looked like Superman,that shit was hilarious :lol
 
permutated said:
Your OPINION is fact? Why are you on some lowly internet board then?? Shouldn't you be off in Hollywood hitting it big?

Douche. STFU.
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hahahahaa take it in the ass from batman u faggit
 
Hmmm....weird poster I don't know drops the F-bomb...let's do a "Best Of" post.

11 posts total on the boards... and here are 4 of them. I think out of all 11, maybe 2-3 of them were non-offensive.

hahahahaa take it in the ass from batman u faggit
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brokeback in HD LMAO wtf....
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fucking pussy
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damn the op is a loser....he posts this shit on a online forum instead of trying to get some good pics or even trying to get some pussy....:lol
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RubxQub said:
11 posts total on the boards... and here are 4 of them. I think out of all 11, maybe 2-3 of them were non-offensive.
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Don't you need 200 posts or something before you become a member (from junior)?
 
joshuagor44 said:
Don't you need 200 posts or something before you become a member (from junior)?
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I believe it can be trigger either after a certain amount of time or after you reach a certain post count, whichever comes first.

Not 100% on that.
 
Something to put on your Christmas wishlist

http://www.joblo.com/excl-the-tdk-dvds
http://www.theimportforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=14005&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

A scooper named "Dave" sent in some images that we've been able to confirm as legit. They would confirm a 2-disc DVD, a Blu-ray, a steelbook 2-disc DVD special edition, a Batpod collector's DVD and a Batman mask collector's DVD (basically the 2-disc DVD shrink-wrapped with a Batman mask).

In trying to track down more info on these DVDs, I've heard two conflicting release dates - December 2nd and December 9th. Either way THE DARK KNIGHT is poised for some huge sales this holiday season.
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2-disc set / Steelbook 2-disc DVD / Blu-ray
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Collector's edition DVD with Batman mask
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Batpod collector's edition DVD
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No really that's gotta be like the fakest shit ever

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either some fan has too much time on their hands or some one at WB has too little.
 
man this is insane. i told you guys how i tried to go this past tuesday to the imax theater and it was still sold out.

i just checked today for tomorrow and the shows in NYC are already sold out.

anyone here been to the new rochelle (NY) imax? tickets still left for that for tomorrow night.

how is it?
 
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